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Old 10-07-2010, 06:04 PM   #76
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The article explains, but basically the area he lived in doesn't provide fire department services, instead they contract with a neighboring county who charges each household a yearly $75 fee.
I know that much. The question is why is such a system even allowed to be put in place. Why put people in a situation where they could end up watching their house burn with a fire truck out in front? Why is there a fire department that can ignore a fire?

Police, emergency, and fire are basic necessities that everyone is entitled to. EMT's are required to help people in need that aren't even legally allowed to be in the US. Fire protection is not a capitalist free market product. You cannot argue about the refusal to pay a fire protection fee like it's a power bill. Fire's are dangerous. They can spread to neighboring homes, or worst yet turn into a wild fire that takes days and tons of manpower to put out.

You do not ignore a fire. You do not refuse to show up to a fire. You are putting everyone at risk when you do that. The South Fulton fire department got lucky that the fire only spread to the edge of the neighbors yard or field.

I realize that a lot of fire departments are underfunded, and I hate that. However standing in front of a fire is not the time to fight such battles or prove a point. As I alluded to before, if your end game is to get more funding then you're seriously putting future funding at risk by deciding not to put out a fire. Every person that takes at the very least an intro to business class understands the concept and importance of goodwill.

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Old 10-07-2010, 06:08 PM   #77
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Ok here guys - I am a trained firefighter in Lincoln, NE - from what I have experienced on a regular basis is that firefighters are trying their hardest to build new stations, hire more employees all around, and basically get more money from the budget committee. This incidence ya'll will not help people want to give us money - Charge the guy whatever - just put out the F@#$ing fire, it's what we were trained to do.... hey you're bored sure just stand there, while the rest of the country takes your insensitive act out on all the rest of us that would have put the fire out for sheer compassion
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I was a homeowner in South Fulton, TN. This isn't the first fire that didnt get put out, it's one that made the news though. This has been going on for ever there. I remember when I first paid the $75.00 fee, the chief told me "I'll add you to the list". I also called 911 because the field caught fire across the street from me, a week later I recieved a bill for $500.00, they said because my phone number came up, they charged me. ANY 911 call from that town is $500.00, I disputed the charges and they waved the fee!!
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Old 10-07-2010, 06:40 PM   #78
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I wonder if all the negative exposure was worth the $75 fee? In the business world sometimes whether a company is right or wrong, you do what makes the most business sense, even if it means taking a loss. I just can't wrap my head around the idea that letting a guy's home burn down along with his pets, was the right decision, under any circumstance.
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South Fulton City is inside of Obion County. For an annual fee the city was willing to provide surrounding county area with fire protection. There are no multiple counties involved. You have a city and unincorporated county area. Simple.
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South Fulton City is inside of Obion County. For an annual fee the city was willing to provide surrounding county area with fire protection. There are no multiple counties involved. You have a city and unincorporated county area. Simple.
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Okay, seriously who hacked Saden's account?
Nobody...people are butchering the integrity of the story and I just want to keep it straight.
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These people in unincorporated county areas have a few solutions available to them in light of this incident:
  • Get a volunteer fire fighting crew together and give the city the finger.
  • Join the city.
  • Form a new city.
  • Expand county services by means of taxation to provide fire protection.
  • Lobby the state to pass a legislation that makes unresponsive fire departments illegal.
  • Burn South Fulton City to the ground and takeover their fire station. If the f*ckers at South Fulton City want to be bitches it's time for them to get stitches.
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I like the "form a new city" option.
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I wonder if all the negative exposure was worth the $75 fee? In the business world sometimes whether a company is right or wrong, you do what makes the most business sense, even if it means taking a loss. I just can't wrap my head around the idea that letting a guy's home burn down along with his pets, was the right decision, under any circumstance.
BRILLIANT!
and to ...try to justify it in any way soley illustrates what is wrong with...GOVT.
A bit of an over-simplification....but
We will give 498 Cazillion dollars to Haiti when they need it, (and anybody else with their handout) but we cannot figure out how to deal with a $75 municipal fee......utter insanity
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I understand the compassion element that matty and hog1 are saying, but what I don't hear from many is the simple acknowledgement that this guy had been aware of the risk of not paying and made the choice not to pay. Yes maybe somehow it could have been handled better, but if the man had paid the 75 fee, which he had in the past, then this would not have happened. Maybe the unincorporated areas or the city could have a hardship assistance fund for it or some other mechanism, but with the laws in place as they are right now, the firefighters did what they were supposed to do.
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BRILLIANT!
and to ...try to justify it in any way soley illustrates what is wrong with...GOVT.
A bit of an over-simplification....but
We will give 498 Cazillion dollars to Haiti when they need it, (and anybody else with their handout) but we cannot figure out how to deal with a $75 municipal fee......utter insanity
The difference is the federal govt doesn't have to worry about having a 1.3 TRILLION dollar deficit, the local county and city governments do, and they have to worry about their bond ratings and they have people who hold them accountable when trying to raise taxes.
As for Justifying the action, that doesn't mean that they shouldn't look for solutions that keep it from happening going forward. I imagine if you were to research the history of this law you would find many pros and cons both sides of which were fought out in the ballot box.
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I understand the compassion element that matty and hog1 are saying, but what I don't hear from many is the simple acknowledgement that this guy had been aware of the risk of not paying and made the choice not to pay. Yes maybe somehow it could have been handled better, but if the man had paid the 75 fee, which he had in the past, then this would not have happened. Maybe the unincorporated areas or the city could have a hardship assistance fund for it or some other mechanism, but with the laws in place as they are right now, the firefighters did what they were supposed to do.
LOL...really? And here I was thinking he said he forgot to pay. People forgetting to pay bills? Unheard of!
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The difference is the federal govt doesn't have to worry about having a 1.3 TRILLION dollar deficit, the local county and city governments do, and they have to worry about their bond ratings and they have people who hold them accountable when trying to raise taxes.
As for Justifying the action, that doesn't mean that they shouldn't look for solutions that keep it from happening going forward. I imagine if you were to research the history of this law you would find many pros and cons both sides of which were fought out in the ballot box.
If all the rules had been carefully followed, none of this would happen? Perhaps he made a mistake, perhaps he's an asshole.....it happens. THAT should have been dealt with after the fire was put out and the locals were busy annointing the local Fireman, as hero's.
This has already boiled into a shitstorm that won't soon be forgotten in those parts and those involved will likely be searching for other employment, or testifying forever.
Sometimes....you just can't play by the rules as they "just don't make sense". They're are a bunch of fireguys and a city manager or two that will figure it out for the sake of..........$75..amazing
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I'm just not seeing where he said he chose not to pay
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I understand the compassion element that matty and hog1 are saying, but what I don't hear from many is the simple acknowledgement that this guy had been aware of the risk of not paying and made the choice not to pay. Yes maybe somehow it could have been handled better, but if the man had paid the 75 fee, which he had in the past, then this would not have happened. Maybe the unincorporated areas or the city could have a hardship assistance fund for it or some other mechanism, but with the laws in place as they are right now, the firefighters did what they were supposed to do.
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"I just forgot to pay my $75," Cranick told ABC News. "I did it last year, the year before. ... It slipped my mind."
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