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Old 01-18-2011, 10:33 PM   #46
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Kind of a flawed argument to just compare calories. The mcnuggets are processed garbage. I would bet the chemicals and preservatives would be far more harmful to your overall health vs someone eating more organic food.
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Kind of a flawed argument to just compare calories. The mcnuggets are processed garbage. I would bet the chemicals and preservatives would be far more harmful to your overall health vs someone eating more organic food.

So true. you just have to watch Super Size Me to see the affects of eating that garbage every day.

On Friday I was in rush on my lunch hour because my hair cut took to long, I buckled and bought a McChicken small fry and a cheeseburger. I made it through the fries and chicken sandwich and one bite of the cheeseburger I seriously felt like complete crap the rest of the day and I am no health buff.

I always say McDonald's is the world's High School cafeteria. They both have the same quality of food, awful!
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Im only saying 2k calories because I think thatís the average recommended amount. Now if youre a disciple of Tony Horton and do the whole p90 series for a year plus straight like Matty (pics coming out soon?) then consuming more than 2k calories a day is probably much needed. But the average person only needs 2k calories, give or take.

My thought is Americaís number 1 food health issue, by far, isnít the quality of the food we consume, itís the quantity of food we consume. A lot of fat people make a big deal about lower quality processed foods, while ignoring the much bigger issue.
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Im only saying 2k calories because I think thatís the average recommended amount. Now if youre a disciple of Tony Horton and do the whole p90 series for a year plus straight like Matty (pics coming out soon?) then consuming more than 2k calories a day is probably much needed. But the average person only needs 2k calories, give or take.

My thought is Americaís number 1 food health issue, by far, isnít the quality of the food we consume, itís the quantity of food we consume. A lot of fat people make a big deal about lower quality processed foods, while ignoring the much bigger issue.

The problem is if you eat 2k calories in crappy food you are going to end up eating more calories somewhere in the day because your body will still be hungry for the nutrients it needs.

I rather eat 3k calories of a high fiber low fat diet then any McDonald's 2k calories a day diet.

I mean the scum that lines the bathroom floor of a public restroom probably has some calorie count. You can't tell me if I only licked up a 1k calories worth of bathroom scum everyday that I would be healthy.

Yes I understand portion control is a big part of it but so is the quality of that portion of food. Your body will store or burn high fructose corn syrup much differently then it will say spinach. If you start off with a healthy portion of food you are less apt to go back for more becasue your body has a better sense of fullness.

Also you can get fat off organic foods they just simple are less "processed". You can not eat organic chocolate bars all day and think you will be skinny. You have only limited the amount of pesticides or whatever they treat non-organic coco beans with. Organic doesn't mean less calories or fat.
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So true. you just have to watch Super Size Me to see the affects of eating that garbage every day.

On Friday I was in rush on my lunch hour because my hair cut took to long, I buckled and bought a McChicken small fry and a cheeseburger. I made it through the fries and chicken sandwich and one bite of the cheeseburger I seriously felt like complete crap the rest of the day and I am no health buff.

I always say McDonald's is the world's High School cafeteria. They both have the same quality of food, awful!
Did you actually watch the movie? At least read the summary of what he did. The guy ate a LOT more then 2k calories a day, I think around 5k a day. It was called Supersize me in part because McDonalds used to asked would you like to Supersize youre order. If/when (like 90% of the time) they asked if he would like to get his order supersized then he had to accept. Back then asking if you want your order supersized was like asking if you would like a drink to go with your order.

Maybe eating McDonalds every day isnít great for you, but I donít really think its bad either as long as you eat only your recommended caloric intake (most people 2k) and mix up the menu a little bit (Big Mac one day, McNuggets another). For the average person that gets the average amount of exercise I can assure you that eating 5k calories a day of organic foods is gonna be bad for you, even with a shot of wheat grass on the side. And eating that much food is probably going to result in the exact same health issues the guy in Supersize Me experienced.

Again I donít think Americans really have a quality of food problem. However we definitely have a quantity of food epidemic.
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Did you actually watch the movie? At least read the summary of what he did. The guy ate a LOT more then 2k calories a day, I think around 5k a day. It was called Supersize me in part because McDonalds used to asked would you like to Supersize youre order. If/when (like 90% of the time) they asked if he would like to get his order supersized then he had to accept. Back then asking if you want your order supersized was like asking if you would like a drink to go with your order.

Maybe eating McDonalds every day isnít great for you, but I donít really think its bad either as long as you eat only your recommended caloric intake (most people 2k) and mix up the menu a little bit (Big Mac one day, McNuggets another). For the average person that gets the average amount of exercise I can assure you that eating 5k calories a day of organic foods is gonna be bad for you, even with a shot of wheat grass on the side. And eating that much food is probably going to result in the exact same health issues the guy in Supersize Me experienced.

Again I donít think Americans really have a quality of food problem. However we definitely have a quantity of food epidemic.
I am not going to argue with you if you want to eat it, go ahead enjoy it, and I did see the doc.

Watch this doc and you may have a new view on your McDonald's menu.

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Did you actually watch the movie? At least read the summary of what he did. The guy ate a LOT more then 2k calories a day, I think around 5k a day. It was called Supersize me in part because McDonalds used to asked would you like to Supersize youre order. If/when (like 90% of the time) they asked if he would like to get his order supersized then he had to accept. Back then asking if you want your order supersized was like asking if you would like a drink to go with your order.

Maybe eating McDonalds every day isnít great for you, but I donít really think its bad either as long as you eat only your recommended caloric intake (most people 2k) and mix up the menu a little bit (Big Mac one day, McNuggets another). For the average person that gets the average amount of exercise I can assure you that eating 5k calories a day of organic foods is gonna be bad for you, even with a shot of wheat grass on the side. And eating that much food is probably going to result in the exact same health issues the guy in Supersize Me experienced.

Again I donít think Americans really have a quality of food problem. However we definitely have a quantity of food epidemic.

If you are going to spew facts make sure they are correct please.

On March 2, Spurlock makes it to day 30 and achieves his goal. In thirty days, he "Supersized" his meals nine times along the way (five of which were in Texas, three in New York City). His doctors are surprised at the degree of deterioration in Spurlock's health. He notes that he has eaten as many McDonald's meals as most nutritionists say the ordinary person should eat in 8 years (he ate 90 meals, which is close to 8 years of eating it once a month).

9/90 = 10% of the time far cry from your 90%.

Super Size Me - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I guess I should ask did you see the movie or are you just making up facts to support your idea that a health America need only eat 2k calories a day of McDonalds.
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The problem is if you eat 2k calories in crappy food you are going to end up eating more calories somewhere in the day because your body will still be hungry for the nutrients it needs.

I rather eat 3k calories of a high fiber low fat diet then any McDonald's 2k calories a day diet.

I mean the scum that lines the bathroom floor of a public restroom probably has some calorie count. You can't tell me if I only licked up a 1k calories worth of bathroom scum everyday that I would be healthy.

Yes I understand portion control is a big part of it but so is the quality of that portion of food. Your body will store or burn high fructose corn syrup much differently then it will say spinach. If you start off with a healthy portion of food you are less apt to go back for more becasue your body has a better sense of fullness.

Also you can get fat off organic foods they just simple are less "processed". You can not eat organic chocolate bars all day and think you will be skinny. You have only limited the amount of pesticides or whatever they treat non-organic coco beans with. Organic doesn't mean less calories or fat.

So I would call this self control. Is it that youre really hungry, or is that you know for 5 dollars you can get a really quick satisfying meal without even having to get out of your car. Sure maybe eating really healthy organic foods may fill you up for a little longer, but I think its more of a convence factor then anything else.

You may rather eat 3k of hi fiber, low fat food then 2k of McDonalds, but im betting your gonna end up fatter and with more health problems then the guy who choices the lesser calorie offering. Bathroom scum vs. FDA approved food is a little different.
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If you are going to spew facts make sure they are correct please.

On March 2, Spurlock makes it to day 30 and achieves his goal. In thirty days, he "Supersized" his meals nine times along the way (five of which were in Texas, three in New York City). His doctors are surprised at the degree of deterioration in Spurlock's health. He notes that he has eaten as many McDonald's meals as most nutritionists say the ordinary person should eat in 8 years (he ate 90 meals, which is close to 8 years of eating it once a month).

9/90 = 10% of the time far cry from your 90%.

Super Size Me - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I guess I should ask did you see the movie or are you just making up facts to support your idea that a health America need only eat 2k calories a day of McDonalds.

I watched it, but it was a while ago. I was right about the 5k calories a day though. Which is what im saying is the problem. Again quantity is the problem not quality
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So I would call this self control. Is it that youre really hungry, or is that you know for 5 dollars you can get a really quick satisfying meal without even having to get out of your car. Sure maybe eating really healthy organic foods may fill you up for a little longer, but I think its more of a convence factor then anything else.

You may rather eat 3k of hi fiber, low fat food then 2k of McDonalds, but im betting your gonna end up fatter and with more health problems then the guy who choices the lesser calorie offering. Bathroom scum vs. FDA approved food is a little different.

Now you got me laughing! FDA could careless about the quality of your food.

Throw out the calories and eat McDonalds for a week then an organic/high fiber low fat diet for another week. In the end I bet you will feel a billion times better after the organic week, have eaten less calories becasue you have a better sense of fullness, and your body will be running on all cylinders (more energy).

Seriously try it. I have done it, I used to eat fast food all the time once I started eating a healthier diet I saw noticeable changes in my body, energy level and even my moods.
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I watched it, but it was a while ago. I was right about the 5k calories a day though. Which is what im saying is the problem. Again quantity is the problem not quality

Ok again did you watch it?

Lets say on a non super sized day, which was 90% of the time, Morgan eat this popular combo.

Breakfast
Egg McMuffin 300
Hashbrown 150
OJ 150

Lunch
.25 Pounder w/cheese 510
Med Fry 380
Med Coke 210

Dinner
.25 Pounder w/cheese 510
Med Fry 380
Med Coke 210

That is a total of 2800 calories a day, afar cry if not half of the 5k you keep claiming he ate ever day.
http://nutrition.mcdonalds.com/nutri...itionfacts.pdf

It was not the quantity of his meal it was the QUALITY that caused the problems below:

After five days Spurlock has gained 9.5 pounds (4.5 kg) (from 185.5 to about 195 pounds). It is not long before he finds himself with a feeling of depression, and he claims that his bouts of depression, lethargy, and headaches are relieved by a McDonald's meal. His general practitioner describes him as being "addicted." He has soon gained another 8 pounds (3.5 kg), putting his weight at 203.5 lb (92 kg). By the end of the month he weighs about 210 pounds (95.5 kg), an increase of about 24.5 pounds (about 11 kg). Because he could only eat McDonald's food for a month, Spurlock refused to take any medication at all. At one weigh-in Morgan lost 1 lb. from the previous weigh-in, and it was hypothesized by a nutritionist that he had lost muscle mass, which weighs more than an identical volume of fat. At another weigh-in, it was said by a nutritionist that he gained 17 pounds (8.5 kg) in 12 days.
Spurlock's girlfriend, Alexandra Jamieson, attests to the fact that Spurlock has lost much of his energy and sex drive during his experiment. It was not clear at the time if Spurlock would be able to complete the full month of the high-fat, high-carbohydrate diet, and friends and family began to express concern.
In Day 21, Spurlock has heart palpitations. His internist, Dr. Daryl Isaacs, advises him to stop what he is doing immediately to avoid any serious health problems. He compares Spurlock with the protagonist played by Nicolas Cage in the movie Leaving Las Vegas who intentionally drinks himself to death in a matter of weeks. Despite this warning, Spurlock decides to continue the experiment.


Eat better quality food feel better, plain and simple.
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mlmpetert, in all fairness I do see where Morgon keeps saying he ate 5k calories a day of McDonalds, following his rule of super sizing I don't know how he got there. Unless he was ordering more sides like a milkshake or a dessert which is not in the meals.

In the end though I still believe if you eat more calories of high quality food vs. less calories of low quality of food your overall health will be better. Yes if I agree if I only ate one McDonald's .25 ponder a day (510 calories) over time I would lose weight but will I be healthier? I don't think so.
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Yeah quantity is an issue, but so is quality. Our food in general is too full of sodium, sugar, and preservatives.

A 2000 cal diet full of cookies and cakes isn't going to be as nutritious or healthy as a 2000 cal diet made up of organic lean proteins and veggies.

Garbage in, garbage out.
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Did you actually watch the movie? At least read the summary of what he did. The guy ate a LOT more then 2k calories a day, I think around 5k a day. It was called Supersize me in part because McDonalds used to asked would you like to Supersize youre order. If/when (like 90% of the time) they asked if he would like to get his order supersized then he had to accept. Back then asking if you want your order supersized was like asking if you would like a drink to go with your order.

Maybe eating McDonalds every day isnít great for you, but I donít really think its bad either as long as you eat only your recommended caloric intake (most people 2k) and mix up the menu a little bit (Big Mac one day, McNuggets another). For the average person that gets the average amount of exercise I can assure you that eating 5k calories a day of organic foods is gonna be bad for you, even with a shot of wheat grass on the side. And eating that much food is probably going to result in the exact same health issues the guy in Supersize Me experienced.

Again I donít think Americans really have a quality of food problem. However we definitely have a quantity of food epidemic.
There is a lot of research showing that types of food are as important as calories. The calories in/out is too simplistic of a model. It is the biggest fault in the guidance provided by the medical community. It ignores completely the causation of caloric over-consumption which isn't attributed as much to being sedentary as it is to what we eat. In fact much of this new research shows that our increasing sedentary life styles are more attributed to over consumption of carbohydrates which train our bodies to conserve energy and slow our metabolisms. So us getting fat is really about eating too much carbs. The medical community is starting to accept this. It is sort of unfortunate but the guy everyone called a quack (Dr Atkins) actually got a lot right. He just over did it.
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I love junk food and would eat the stuff everyday if it was not so bad for me. I eat healthy Mon-Thur and on Friday is my day to eat anything I want. Some days fast food and some days not fast food but not healthy.
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