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Old 11-01-2010, 06:32 PM   #61
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Rap fans, please explain the deeper meaning in the above? Perhaps explore the socio-economic take implied by "That's why I ****ed your bitch."
It's called Battle rap. It's a form of war which is usually limited to words but it sometimes can get deadly as in the case of Pac and Biggie. Expressing your anger with words is liberating.

This isn't an empty bluster.
Buster is no better than a duster.
His posts are the most lackluster.
Vote to ouster that inbred ballbuster.

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2Pac touched me Biggie never did.
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Old 11-01-2010, 07:49 PM   #63
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2Pac touched me Biggie never did.
Hope your shots are up to date...
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It's called Battle rap. It's a form of war which is usually limited to words but it sometimes can get deadly as in the case of Pac and Biggie. Expression your anger with words is liberating.

This isn't an empty bluster.
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Right, which is where I get the fact that it's entertaining... wouldn't/couldn't argue that it's not, hell it's not like i never listen to it nor have any in my collection, but none of that means it has any deeper meaning than any other pop song out there. People always try to defend the genre by saying it's a look into the issues facing inner-city culture, but I don't buy that. I think it just exploits human nature in that we all listen to stories involving conflict. But it doesn't inspire anyone, which is what art is supposed to do. I think that's the crux of my argument: it's entertainment, not art.


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I don't like comparing people to sheep but since you want to go that route yes, society treats the poverty stricken level of society like sheep.

Ask yourself why urban kids want to piss their parents off. Perhaps they were wronged in one way shape or form? IDK maybe a father left when they were a child or was too drunk to take interest in his chils life, or perhaps their mother was addicted to drugs and didn't provide the proper level of attention necessary to nourish a child.

Art is a depiction of life through the narrators eyes whether it be through a visual or audio description. Just because you do not think that it is high art doesn't mean that it isn't. Again we go back to opinion and what others can relate to and or crave.

Your right, someone who is going to act on a negative impulse is going to do so regardless of influence. That is why your argument that "such behavior is glorified with a heightened significance" holds no water.

Everyday people do things that they are not proud of and have the guts to tell the tale. Some people use those examples as motivation, as we agreed, and were going to act on their own impulses anyway and others are just intrigued and informed by it.
When I say people are sheep, i'm referring to the majority of consumers slurping up whatever they are told is hot, be it music, IT hardware, or whatever.

Your last paragraph is nonsense, imo. These clowns are not speaking "from the heart" they're speaking from the wallet. They know that the more vulgar, the more violent, the more extreme they get, the better that shit sells. They'e not trying to inspire anyone, and if you believe that they are, I think you're either kidding yourself or you've got a whole lot more faith in people than I think they deserve.

I never said "the behavior was glorified by a heightened significance." What I said was that people claim the music has a heightened significance, meaning claiming that there is a deeper meaning to it all than just your average song.

I have no issue with the genre, I just find it disingenuous when people feel the need to point to supposedly deeper interpretations when in fact, it mostly appeals to our baser instincts. That's not a bad thing necessarily.
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Who looks at a painting and says "I want to do that"? Who draws inspiration from that painting to mimic what they see? Hardly anyone does that. On the other hand who looks at a painting and says "that is magnificant". It all comes down to taste. You just don't have a tase for Gangsta rap. That is no different from someone who says that they might like nudity in a painting but to depict sodomy is taking it too far.
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Who looks at a painting and says "I want to do that"? Who draws inspiration from that painting to mimic what they see? Hardly anyone does that. On the other hand who looks at a painting and says "that is magnificant". It all comes down to taste. You just don't have a tase for Gangsta rap. That is no different from someone who says that they might like nudity in a painting but to depict sodomy is taking it too far.

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Most rap is utter trash and like with everything you have to look harder to find the gems.


Take this for example...there's nothing deep about it but it is one of the most awesome songs ever.

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Who looks at a painting and says "I want to do that"? Who draws inspiration from that painting to mimic what they see? Hardly anyone does that. On the other hand who looks at a painting and says "that is magnificant". It all comes down to taste. You just don't have a tase for Gangsta rap. That is no different from someone who says that they might like nudity in a painting but to depict sodomy is taking it too far.
If you can depict sodomy in such a way as to evoke inspiration, then more power to you. I guess I'm just saying you guys are claiming way more noble intentions than exist. That's a judgement call, but it's what my cynical nature leads me to believe.
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Most rap is utter trash and like with everything you have to look harder to find the gems.


Take this for example...there's nothing deep about it but it is one of the most awesome songs ever.

LOL. Well, yeah, even white boys got to shout...
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For the record, I tried to click on the link. lol.
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For the record, I tried to click on the link. lol.
Yeah, might have been too graphic for this site.
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If you don't think kids are trying to copy these guys then you need to take the blinders off. Just watch any cops show or shows about gangs. I know gangs are not new here but having it main stream and making it cool is.

You are going to live whatever lifestyle you are going to live regardless of the music that you listen to or what you watch. Glamorization of it is only going to appeal to those that found it appealing in the first place.
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Yeah, might have been too graphic for this site.
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"If this doesn't inspire you to do something then I don't know what will".
Embeded in the word "this" was a picture of a woman with firm, tight, skin with ample sized sweater kittens giving a man special kisses and handshakes in his non gender specific neither region.

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You are going to live whatever lifestyle you are going to live regardless of the music that you listen to or what you watch. Glamorization of it is only going to appeal to those that found it appealing in the first place.
Exactly.

It's not like Joey white kid in the burbs is going to turn gangsta after listening to The Chronic.

Blaming music for society's ills is just ridiculous.
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