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Old 11-30-2010, 08:34 AM   #16
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Seems like a classic case of blaming the messenger rather than the true source.
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Old 11-30-2010, 08:45 AM   #17
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WikiLeaks' Julian Assange Wants to Spill Your Corporate Secrets - Forbes.com
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Old 11-30-2010, 09:03 AM   #18
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My thing with this is what good comes out of this? Most of it seems to be kinda what everyone is thinking, but now its just written account or opinion. Think what people tend to forget is every country has its own written opinions and foreign strageties. I like the response one country said about the Clinton remarks which was something to the effect of "you should hear what we say about you," which is the right way to take many of the releases. But in a period where we are in the process of rebuilding relations around the world, having something that was said several years ago impact that current relationship is bothersome. There is the aspect of puting some in danger as well, especially our diaplomats. I dont see any good in it and yes i would enjoy transparency in foreign relations, but come on that fantasy world. You think other countries are transparent? lol
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Old 11-30-2010, 09:21 AM   #19
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Matty while I agree with what you are saying, I do not think there is too much positive that comes out of this. Governments may just be more paranoid about communications now.

This is simply become like HS gossip. With nations being spoiled 16 year old girls trashing each other behind their back. The only result from it is a "battle" a la season finale of Bad Girls Club.
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Old 11-30-2010, 09:23 AM   #20
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Just curious if the tune will change once they start going after big business.

Let's face it the gov't and corporations will never give true transparency, so are we really interested in having it or not?
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Old 11-30-2010, 09:44 AM   #21
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Knowledge is power and therefore good....that in itself is good enough for me. Gems:



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When Afghanistan’s vice president visited the United Arab Emirates last year, local authorities working with the Drug Enforcement Administration discovered that he was carrying $52 million in cash. With wry understatement, a cable from the American Embassy in Kabul called the money “a significant amount” that the official, Ahmed Zia Massoud, “was ultimately allowed to keep without revealing the money’s origin or destination.”
Really America? Are we trying to rebuild the ****ing country with thiefs?

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Saudi donors remain the chief financiers of Sunni militant groups like Al Qaeda, and the tiny Persian Gulf state of Qatar, a generous host to the American military for years, was the “worst in the region” in counterterrorism efforts, according to a State Department cable last December. Qatar’s security service was “hesitant to act against known terrorists out of concern for appearing to be aligned with the U.S. and provoking reprisals,” the cable said.
You knew about the Saudis but the Qatari?


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American diplomats in Rome reported in 2009 on what their Italian contacts described as an extraordinarily close relationship between Vladimir V. Putin, the Russian prime minister, and Silvio Berlusconi, the Italian prime minister and business magnate, including “lavish gifts,” lucrative energy contracts and a “shadowy” Russian-speaking Italian go-between. They wrote that Mr. Berlusconi “appears increasingly to be the mouthpiece of Putin” in Europe. The diplomats also noted that while Mr. Putin enjoyed supremacy over all other public figures in Russia, he was undermined by an unmanageable bureaucracy that often ignored his edicts.
Wow...that's crazy!

It's a fcking goldmine! I love it and everything that comes of it will in the long run lead to good.
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Old 12-01-2010, 03:15 PM   #22
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Assange speaks (from an undisclosed location - NOT in the back mountains of Pakistan):
WikiLeaks Founder Assange to TIME: Clinton 'Should Resign' - Yahoo! News

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"We have now in our four-year history, and over 100 legal attacks of various kinds, been victorious in all of those matters." He added, "It's very important to remember the law is not what, not simply what, powerful people would want others to believe it is. The law is not what a general says it is. The law is not what Hillary Clinton says it is."
Blasphemy!
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Old 12-01-2010, 03:40 PM   #23
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Assange speaks (from an undisclosed location - NOT in the back mountains of Pakistan):
WikiLeaks Founder Assange to TIME: Clinton 'Should Resign' - Yahoo! News



Blasphemy!
If he was talking about Lord Obama I'd agree with you. The truth is Hillary Clinton should resign less we want to bribe countries to look the other way when it comes to what was said about them.
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Old 12-01-2010, 08:17 PM   #24
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I guess this shithead is laying low in England and British authorities have known about it since October. WTF??

Wikileaks chief: What will he do next? - Home News, UK - The Independent
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Amazon dumped them and is no longer willing to host them. This whole thing seems like story from a movie.
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Old 12-01-2010, 08:27 PM   #26
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The danger angle is overplayed and overrated...what we are more likely to lose is trust and credibility.
Bill Clinton doesn't think so

Bill Clinton Expects Cables Leak to Cost Lives - FoxNews.com
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Old 12-01-2010, 08:38 PM   #27
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I imagine he would seeing how his administrations dirty diplomatic laundry will be exposed. And of course the question is if they do cost lives who should be held responsible? Excellent question, no?

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Old 12-01-2010, 09:36 PM   #28
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I imagine he would seeing how his administrations dirty diplomatic laundry will be exposed. And of course the question is if they do cost lives who should be held responsible? Excellent question, no?
Many would have blood on their hands including:
- the actual killer
- whoever ordered the hit
- the traitor who provided the information (assuming it was an insider)
- and the wikileaks personnel responsibile for publishing the info
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Old 12-02-2010, 02:37 AM   #29
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I guess this shithead is laying low in England and British authorities have known about it since October. WTF??

Wikileaks chief: What will he do next? - Home News, UK - The Independent
Man, if there's one thing I'm really tired of, it's countries that are supposed to be our allies not doing anything about fugitives that are in their country.

Like the lawless tribal badlands of Pakistan where I'm sure quite a few high ranking insurgents are hiding, to this asshat living in England and authorities not yet willing to authorize his arrest warrant for w/e reason, it just needs to stop. No wonder criminals don't give a shit about the crimes they commit, they know as long as they can just stay at a safe haven in another country they'll live another day to commit another crime.

It's like the Mexican drug lords not giving a shit about what happens in America, because they know Mexico is such a crappy country that they'll never get caught as long as they stay in control of the borderlands, and that the US will never be able to step foot into Mexico to go seize those worthless mofo's.
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Old 12-02-2010, 10:32 AM   #30
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Man, if there's one thing I'm really tired of, it's countries that are supposed to be our allies not doing anything about fugitives that are in their country.

Like the lawless tribal badlands of Pakistan where I'm sure quite a few high ranking insurgents are hiding, to this asshat living in England and authorities not yet willing to authorize his arrest warrant for w/e reason, it just needs to stop. No wonder criminals don't give a shit about the crimes they commit, they know as long as they can just stay at a safe haven in another country they'll live another day to commit another crime.

It's like the Mexican drug lords not giving a shit about what happens in America, because they know Mexico is such a crappy country that they'll never get caught as long as they stay in control of the borderlands, and that the US will never be able to step foot into Mexico to go seize those worthless mofo's.

The law is not what the United States says or thinks it is. Other countries govern themselves and therefore have their own set of principles. One cannot expect that just because they are your allies they'd jump on our whim and do as we want them to. We certainly don't, why should they be expected to?
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