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Old 06-23-2011, 10:58 AM   #61
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Schneed tends to have some extreme positions, but you all know he throws out the bait to get bites...
I do like to do that yes, but this is not one of those times. I do like to let you guys know when I'm trying to F with people. Not now.

There's no argument being made here, just people going "Oh my heavens, I can't believe you'd say that about someone!! How horrifying!!"

But they can't tell me why I'm wrong.
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Old 06-23-2011, 11:03 AM   #62
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I think there's a difference between the roads are safer with Dunn not speeding drunkingly through them with the world would be better off without him.

Kid I used to play basketball with died about 10 years ago. Good guy, got along with everyone. Had just graduated college, about to start grad school. He was coming back home from doing a favor for a family friend. He wasn't drunk or anything but driving back home at 2am he did something stupid he was speeding down an open road near his house (on the same street he lived on in fact). He wasn't going 100 mph fast, but fast enough that when he hit the speed bump he lost control of the car and veered off track and smashed right into a tree.

Are the people who drive down that road everyday safer because he's not speeding down that road trying to turn his car into the General Lee? Maybe. Is the world better off without him? I can't see how anyone can say it definitely is.
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Old 06-23-2011, 11:03 AM   #63
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The roads could have been safer if he had just made the smart decision to not drive. He didn't have to die to make the roads safer. Too bad some are so callous when it comes to a loss of life these days, regardless of the circumstances.

Schneed haven't you admitted to driving aggressively, blocking drivers, etc? Don't you think your behavior is a bit unsafe at times on the road? It just seems funny you're so all about road safety yet you engage in somewhat dangerous behaviors while on the road yourself.
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Old 06-23-2011, 11:06 AM   #64
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No I am not glad he died. I am glad his reckless lifestyle and endangerment of innocent others is now dead.
mredskins said it better than I could right here. This is EXACTLY how I feel.

Glad was the wrong word to use. I have no emotional reaction to it at all. But I do see the positive in his death.

See, keep in mind that there's a major difference between someone who texted and drove a few times and then figured out it's a bad idea, and someone who repeatedly gets caught driving over 100 MPH and sometimes while drunk. Repeat offenders represent a significantly greater risk to others by virtue of the simple fact that they're on the road behaving recklessly much more often.

So no, this does not apply to those on this message board who have fired off a text while driving. Your death would not represent a positive like Ryan Dunn's did.

In the end, Ryan Dunn was just an entertainer. He was not a doctor or a teacher. He was simply a guy that made some people around the world laugh. Maybe he gave to charity, I don't know. If he did, then the loss of that giving contribution is a negative for society. But I think the reduction in the threat he represented on the roads outweighs the benefits society derived from his job and from any charitable contributions.
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I think there's a difference between the roads are safer with Dunn not speeding drunkingly through them with the world would be better off without him.

Kid I used to play basketball with died about 10 years ago. Good guy, got along with everyone. Had just graduated college, about to start grad school. He was coming back home from doing a favor for a family friend. He wasn't drunk or anything but driving back home at 2am he did something stupid he was speeding down an open road near his house (on the same street he lived on in fact). He wasn't going 100 mph fast, but fast enough that when he hit the speed bump he lost control of the car and veered off track and smashed right into a tree.

Are the people who drive down that road everyday safer because he's not speeding down that road trying to turn his car into the General Lee? Maybe. Is the world better off without him? I can't see how anyone can say it definitely is.
I would not consider that kid's loss as a net-negative. See my points in the post above about repetitive offenses. One-time indiscretions don't represent the same threat as a Ryan Dunn. With how often he drove over 100 mph, it was just a matter of time before he died or hurt somebody else.
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The roads could have been safer if he had just made the smart decision to not drive. He didn't have to die to make the roads safer. Too bad some are so callous when it comes to a loss of life these days, regardless of the circumstances.

Schneed haven't you admitted to driving aggressively, blocking drivers, etc? Don't you think your behavior is a bit unsafe at times on the road? It just seems funny you're so all about road safety yet you engage in somewhat dangerous behaviors while on the road yourself.
I probably have not described my "blocking" techniques on the road adequately enough. I'm not swerving in front of people when they change lanes. I just camp out in the left lane and refuse to go above 75. It doesn't feel dangerous in the least.
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The roads could have been safer if he had just made the smart decision to not drive. He didn't have to die to make the roads safer. Too bad some are so callous when it comes to a loss of life these days, regardless of the circumstances.

Schneed haven't you admitted to driving aggressively, blocking drivers, etc? Don't you think your behavior is a bit unsafe at times on the road? It just seems funny you're so all about road safety yet you engage in somewhat dangerous behaviors while on the road yourself.
As for the bolded point, you're right. But he had the chance to change his behavior over and over and over and over. He was ticketed for reckless offenses so many times. At some point you just have to call a spade a spade, he wasn't going to change his behavior. He was just a reckless asshole.
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I probably have not described my "blocking" techniques on the road adequately enough. I'm not swerving in front of people when they change lanes. I just camp out in the left lane and refuse to go above 75. It doesn't feel dangerous in the least.
What if your blocking someone incited a road rager who then swerves to get around you and hits another car? It's possible your actions could lead to a dangerous situation.
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As for the bolded point, you're right. But he had the chance to change his behavior over and over and over and over. He was ticketed for reckless offenses so many times. At some point you just have to call a spade a spade, he wasn't going to change his behavior. He was just a reckless asshole.

Yes that is what makes me mad it is obvious this guy has a history of just not giving a crap and does reckless stuff that endangers other people. that is why I have a hard time working up the tear ducts for him.

Also here is what really gets me about folks like him. You can afford that car but won't pay the cab fare home? What a idiot.
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What if your blocking someone incited a road rager who then swerves to get around you and hits another car? It's possible your actions could lead to a dangerous situation.
If someone is incapable of controlling their anger, that's on them, not on me.
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If someone is incapable of controlling their anger, that's on them, not on me.
Yeah but you would still be part of the chain of events that set them off. Glad you could just brush off any responsibility.
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Was his license ever suspended or revoked? I mean you get ticketed for reckless driving so many times wouldn't it stand to reason that at some point he just wouldn't be allowed to drive anymore?
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What if your blocking someone incited a road rager who then swerves to get around you and hits another car? It's possible your actions could lead to a dangerous situation.

I have to agree with Matty. S10's actions are making him a distracted driver.

I get really upset when I see folks texting and driving so much so I would "look" for them and then blow my horn. My wife pointed out you are just as distracted as them by trying to police them vs. just paying attention to your own driving. I agreed with her and now I just go about my way and stay alert to my own driving.

Doing anything other then watching the road make you a distracted driver.

S10 what you are doing makes you distracted driver. You are looking for speeders then you are trying to slow them down. Your adrenaline is going and you are focused on slowing them down vs. giving 100% of your attention to your own driving. Been there with done that I know it is dangerous.
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Was his license ever suspended or revoked? I mean you get ticketed for reckless driving so many times wouldn't it stand to reason that at some point he just wouldn't be allowed to drive anymore?
Apparently 23 times is not enough to take your licenses away.

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And for the record I've never encountered that situation, and I've been Schneed the Road Vigilante for quite some time.

But getting back to the crux of the discussion, at some level, everyone does something at some point in their lives that somehow endangers others. I left the baby gate unsecured one time and my daughter almost took a header down the stairs. I block the left lane while driving which I guess could THEORETICALLY magnify the probability of a road rage incident. Some women put on make-up in the car when running late, on occasion. etc. etc. etc. Are any of these things good? No.

But the risk Ryan Dunn represented to other drivers was so great that in my mind it outweighed whatever positives he brought to the table in his life. Will his family see it that way? Of course not, because they loved him and felt that emotional connection. But strip away the emotions, and the West Chester area is better off.
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