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Old 09-15-2011, 06:40 PM   #31
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Re: Catholic School Chant Upsets Foes....

Mimpetert has it correct:
"Also wiki has a whole section about terms used to convey American Indianís and apparently many American Indians arnt cool with the Native" American term we all think is so pc."

I do not believe you will find many instances of Indians referring to themselves as Native American as a matter of routine. That is a term made popular by the White man and basically not dignified by the tribes......and not used. They use Indian....
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Old 09-16-2011, 12:06 PM   #32
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Seriously, this has become the least exciting thread on the WP. Pasting from dictionaries?
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Mimpetert has it correct:
"Also wiki has a whole section about terms used to convey American Indianís and apparently many American Indians arnt cool with the Native" American term we all think is so pc."

I do not believe you will find many instances of Indians referring to themselves as Native American as a matter of routine. That is a term made popular by the White man and basically not dignified by the tribes......and not used. They use Indian....
For starters, Wikipedia can be edited by anyone. I don't put a lot of credibility toward wiki entries as much as I would a good old fashion history textbook. Logically speaking, I would be correct in saying they should be referred to as Native American, since they are native/indigenous (which are synonyms.) In fact, I'd say all of us, who are native to America, would be considered Native Americans as well. I don't refer to myself as European, because I wasn't born there. I am native to America.

Now, if they are not native to this area, then I would be incorrect. But, it would also be incorrect in saying they are indigenous to America. We can dig further into history and beliefs of where we assume these natives migrated from, but for argument sake, if we're referring to what the "white man" labeled the natives as, we'd simply point to Christopher Columbus and what I had stated previously about his term "indios".

Indios meaning Indian, since Columbus thought he was in the Indies. According to history, that is where the term "Indian" came about. You got it, from the white man! In fact, if we study the term indios more, we find it is actually a derogatory term in Mexico - almost similar to the "N" word.

So, revisiting the argument of Native American vs Indian, in my humble opinion, I cannot find the logic from which we would find the term "Native American" offensive? If it is simply because it is the term that the white man gave them, then the white man also gave them the term of Indios/Indian. So, again, it is illogical of the offense. Both would be "not cool". Why not call them Asian? What about the "white indians"?

Knowing that both Christopher Columbus was incorrect in his destination and the fact that our Southern neighbors find the term "indios" offensive, then I would conclude that wanting to be called "Indian" is both geographically incorrect as well as politically incorrect. And again, that is based on the belief that we are both correct in saying this group of people were in fact native to America.

Not trying to be a smartass, and not trying to bore anybody intentionally. I'm just questioning the logic. I mean, would I honestly be correct in saying I wish to be called British, even though I have never set foot in Great Britain, but do have British ancestry? I mean, if someone called me Native American, they would be absolutely correct.
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Ahem....yourself. Native American is a BS PC term created by the White man. I doubt you will find many.....if any "Indians" referring to themselves as NA.
jesus, the sarcasm was that hard to detect? The term 'ahem' wasn't a clue that i might not be serious... lol.
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Mimpetert has it correct:
"Also wiki has a whole section about terms used to convey American Indianís and apparently many American Indians arnt cool with the Native" American term we all think is so pc."

I do not believe you will find many instances of Indians referring to themselves as Native American as a matter of routine. That is a term made popular by the White man and basically not dignified by the tribes......and not used. They use Indian....

Or any "African-Americans" who have never even stepped on Afican soil, let alone are from there.

What's worse, because PC-nutcases like to call every black person "African-American", they'll refer to someone with dark skin from say, France for example..."African-American". You never hear "African-French", "African-Spanish", "African-Portuguese" or "African-Brazillian". It would sound ridiculous. I've even heard reporters call people ACTUALLY FROM AFRICA, "African-American" when they've never even been to America.


They're not "African-Americans", they're Americans just as much as I am. This PC stupidity only segregates people even more. I'm a white American, another guy is a black American, but in the end, we're all just Americans. Stop trying to make up names that don't fit just to avoid offending someone. Your idiocy offends me, PC police.
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According to the Cincinnati Enquirer, then-No. 8 Cincinnati (Ohio) Colerain football coach Tom Bolden, pictured at right, reacted with fury when he heard members of the then-No. 26 Cincinnati (Ohio) St. Xavier student section chanting "We've got Jesus!"

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jesus, the sarcasm was that hard to detect? The term 'ahem' wasn't a clue that i might not be serious... lol.
No offense intended BB.
AND is it not the fault of Mooby, who..........had to go down the "Kimosabe" road, right?
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No offense intended BB.
AND is it not the fault of Mooby, who..........had to go down the "Kimosabe" road, right?
Without a doubt.
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I agree that wiki can be edited by anyone for most entries, but i would say most of the content is sourced, reviewed and can be trusted. There are a lot more people that edit wiki in a serious context then there are pranksters that edit in order to manipulate stuff.

Native is a broad term while indigenous is much more specific and precise.

I donít think most American Indians find the term Native American offensive, but less preferable when given the options of American Indian or just Indian. And its not that the ďwhite manĒ named them Native American itís that the American Government did, and according to wiki thatís the main issue. I donít think American Indians like the American Government all that much.

Everyone knows the term Indian came about unintentionally but after hundreds of years the meaning of the word became what we know it as today. When it became necessary to make the distinction between people from India the term was organically modified to American Indian. Latter the US government endorsed the Native American label for some reason, and it is thought that another naming mistake, although trivial, was made when they used the modifier native instead of the more specific indigenous or aboriginal.

So basically you can find offenses in any of the terms we use to describe them. Indian, because it was a mistake. American Indian for the same reason in addition to the fact that they are not indigenous to America rather indigenous to the area that was conquered and named without their input or consent. And Native American, for the American name issue before, plus it was endorsed by the government that screwed many of their people over, and there was a trivial additional naming mistake made when trying to eliminate the first naming mistake. In addition all the terms have a imperialistic or colonialism connotation to them, which I think is the issue with the term Oriental.

Indigenous peoples might work, although if I was a Indian I would be pissed if you called me that.....
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I agree that wiki can be edited by anyone for most entries, but i would say most of the content is sourced, reviewed and can be trusted. There are a lot more people that edit wiki in a serious context then there are pranksters that edit in order to manipulate stuff.

Native is a broad term while indigenous is much more specific and precise.

I donít think most American Indians find the term Native American offensive, but less preferable when given the options of American Indian or just Indian. And its not that the ďwhite manĒ named them Native American itís that the American Government did, and according to wiki thatís the main issue. I donít think American Indians like the American Government all that much.

Everyone knows the term Indian came about unintentionally but after hundreds of years the meaning of the word became what we know it as today. When it became necessary to make the distinction between people from India the term was organically modified to American Indian. Latter the US government endorsed the Native American label for some reason, and it is thought that another naming mistake, although trivial, was made when they used the modifier native instead of the more specific indigenous or aboriginal.

So basically you can find offenses in any of the terms we use to describe them. Indian, because it was a mistake. American Indian for the same reason in addition to the fact that they are not indigenous to America rather indigenous to the area that was conquered and named without their input or consent. And Native American, for the American name issue before, plus it was endorsed by the government that screwed many of their people over, and there was a trivial additional naming mistake made when trying to eliminate the first naming mistake. In addition all the terms have a imperialistic or colonialism connotation to them, which I think is the issue with the term Oriental.

Indigenous peoples might work, although if I was a Indian I would be pissed if you called me that.....
I see what you're saying.
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Or any "African-Americans" who have never even stepped on Afican soil, let alone are from there.

What's worse, because PC-nutcases like to call every black person "African-American", they'll refer to someone with dark skin from say, France for example..."African-American". You never hear "African-French", "African-Spanish", "African-Portuguese" or "African-Brazillian". It would sound ridiculous. I've even heard reporters call people ACTUALLY FROM AFRICA, "African-American" when they've never even been to America.


They're not "African-Americans", they're Americans just as much as I am. This PC stupidity only segregates people even more. I'm a white American, another guy is a black American, but in the end, we're all just Americans. Stop trying to make up names that don't fit just to avoid offending someone. Your idiocy offends me, PC police.
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Or any "African-Americans" who have never even stepped on Afican soil, let alone are from there.

What's worse, because PC-nutcases like to call every black person "African-American", they'll refer to someone with dark skin from say, France for example..."African-American". You never hear "African-French", "African-Spanish", "African-Portuguese" or "African-Brazillian". It would sound ridiculous. I've even heard reporters call people ACTUALLY FROM AFRICA, "African-American" when they've never even been to America.


They're not "African-Americans", they're Americans just as much as I am. This PC stupidity only segregates people even more. I'm a white American, another guy is a black American, but in the end, we're all just Americans. Stop trying to make up names that don't fit just to avoid offending someone. Your idiocy offends me, PC police.
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I'll call people what ever they want to be called if that makes them fell better about themself.
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