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Old 01-27-2005, 02:06 PM   #16
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I'm the same way. I can't remember the last time I downloaded an RIAA sponsored song. I'm all about the unknowns.
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Old 02-04-2005, 02:09 PM   #17
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I am now set up on QNEXT. Name is TheMalcolmConnection. I'm just sharing some stuff I have at work right now, I'll put up my TRUE server when I have high speed at home.
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Old 02-04-2005, 02:44 PM   #18
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If you are not paying the artist you are stealing no matter how you justify it.
I'm an artist and my music is needed to sometimes feed me. I have had my music "shared" off of older unprotected sites and thus went hungry from lack of revinew from my own work.

How about if you go to work and when pay day comes around the Boss said "Hey, some people shared your paycheck sorry but it's ok with them".

"it's only a white lie"
"it's only taking what they don't need"
"I'm only a little pregnant"

The internet "can" be a great way for artist to cut out the middleman and make more money but that's not what you guys are talking about is it.

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Old 02-04-2005, 02:55 PM   #19
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I only download music from the underground artists who ask explicitly to download their music and spread it around. I'm not a big "Top 40" fan. I'm a HUGE supporter of the little guy including buying CDs, going to concernts, T-shirts. I'm just not a proponent of sanctioning P2P networks only because of the ramifications on privacy that would come if the Supreme Court rules against them.
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Old 02-04-2005, 03:21 PM   #20
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SBF, how is it any different than me letting someone borrow my CD's and they make copies?

All the music on my hard drive is music that I have purchased, this isn't a world wide file sharing program, you only share with people you choose to.
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Old 02-04-2005, 08:31 PM   #21
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SBF, how is it any different than me letting someone borrow my CD's and they make copies?

All the music on my hard drive is music that I have purchased, this isn't a world wide file sharing program, you only share with people you choose to.
Matty it's not different at all and both really are wrong. And the fact that you can choose who gets the stolen songs doesn't really make it any better.

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Old 02-05-2005, 01:33 AM   #22
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How are the songs stolen if Matty bought the CD's and GAVE THEM TO SOME ONE TO COPY? The CD's were bought and paid for, therefor making them his personal property.

How is this any different from local cover bands performing songs by well known artist and making a buck here and there on the weekends?

I would understand your resoning more so if Matty was running a big counterfit ring and trying to sell copied downloaded music as the origianl works and making a profit. But he is not, there is no money changing hands.
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How are the songs stolen if Matty bought the CD's and GAVE THEM TO SOME ONE TO COPY?
The CD even says you can't reproduce and distribute. If Matty gives another person a copy the ARTIST'S chance for royalties for HIS MUSIC is stolen from him. Is Matty goning to be responsible for collecting the $15 and mailing it to the Artist? No

What if you INVENT something and hope to support your family and someone steals it and reproduces it with compensating you. Is that stealing? Is that Wrong?

This is a good thread because clearly many people don't understand this from an Artist's point of view.

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What if you INVENT something and hope to support your family and someone steals it and reproduces it with compensating you. Is that stealing? Is that Wrong?
That's not a proper analogy. If someone were to invent something, make it and then sell it to someone else who lets his friends use it. That is a much better analogy.
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Old 02-05-2005, 10:47 AM   #25
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That's not a proper analogy. If someone were to invent something, make it and then sell it to someone else who lets his friends use it. That is a much better analogy.
Wrong, in that case there is only one item and both can't have and use at the same time.

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How are the songs stolen if Matty bought the CD's and GAVE THEM TO SOME ONE TO COPY? The CD's were bought and paid for, therefor making them his personal property.

How is this any different from local cover bands performing songs by well known artist and making a buck here and there on the weekends?

I would understand your resoning more so if Matty was running a big counterfit ring and trying to sell copied downloaded music as the origianl works and making a profit. But he is not, there is no money changing hands.
thats kinda the point that there is no money changing hands. Had you wanted that CD, you were supposed to go and pay for it, just like Matty did.
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Wrong, in that case there is only one item and both can't have and use at the same time.

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I imagine there is no law stating someone could not buy a product and take it apart and figure out how it was built. Then reproduce it and lets his friends have one at no cost and therefore no profit. That is exactly the same situation. My feeling is that the act of copying and sharing should not be illegal. I feel when you buy something you own the right to do with it what you please. Where I have problems is that software makers and hardware makers make it possible to do this. It seems to me that creating the ability to do this and doing are different in subtle ways. Only one of those gets trumped by an owner's right so the ire should be directed toward not those who do but those who make it possible to do.
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Old 02-05-2005, 10:41 PM   #28
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I imagine there is no law stating someone could not buy a product and take it apart and figure out how it was built. Then reproduce it and lets his friends have one at no cost and therefore no profit. That is exactly the same situation.
HAHAHA!
You re-sing and play songs from artist and sell them all you want but if you copy and distribute my music, with me playing, me singing you are stealing from me.

You can want to steal.
You can justify stealing.
You can make stealing easy.
You can say everyone else is stealing.
It's still stealing.

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"I didn't kill my wife, she was gonna die anyways. Besides they make these handy knives just for helping her."

If they can steal my music they can steal things you copyright too. That's what copyright protection is all about.

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Old 02-05-2005, 11:16 PM   #29
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by the way, there are a lot of laws against doing what you said. Ever heard of a copyright, or a patent?
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by the way, there are a lot of laws against doing what you said. Ever heard of a copyright, or a patent?
All of which require profiting from said infringements to justify any punishment.
Let's be honest...anybody who really thinks copying an artists music and distributing it for whatever reason is not stealing is pretty delusional. I am just presenting the basic arguments because this is a really good discussion on something our government still has yet to adequately govern. The bigger problem is that this is never going to go away. It is here to stay and musicians should get used to it. Not saying they should just accept it but they should at least know and understand that it is going to happen regardless. Anybody have a good idea on a way to stop it. I sure the US Attorney General would love a good idea.
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