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Old 07-20-2012, 06:09 PM   #76
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I think you are confusing me with Redskin Jim or you are saying there were incidents not necessarily mine.

Make it $600 I am still beating myself up about this.
This. I wasn't saying the other incident was you too.
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Old 07-20-2012, 06:18 PM   #77
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Criminals always seem to have a problem getting their hands on these weapons once the Govt. bans them. /sarc

Enforce the laws on the books before banning weapons.

Clearly the law in this instance wasn't adequate because someone like this guy was able to walk into a gun shop and buy his fancy without a hitch. Plus, not everyone is a criminal, some people are overwhelmed by life and are just plain crazy...like this guy.


No, the right course of action is to ban assault weapons because they server no purpose and 2nd amendment rights is insufferably insufficient to justify its consumption. We should strive to eliminate "after the fact" criminals from having access.
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Old 07-20-2012, 06:23 PM   #78
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I can't imagine why banning assault rifles would be a bad thing. Yes the laws on the books need to be enforced, but I think the laws can also be significantly tightened up as well. I hate that saying how guns don't kill people. Ok it's more like guns in the hands of people kill people, but still that argument is weak and glosses over the issue.
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Old 07-20-2012, 06:24 PM   #79
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Take it easy man, we don't want you to exert your brain too much. Still, you can do better than poking fun at the words describe a class of weapons.

It may not make sense to ban deer rifles but it sure as shit makes sense to ban AR-15s. Those type of weapons serve one purpose and one purpose only, assault people and in mass at a rapid and constant pace. For your run of the mill home invasions I am sure a hand gun is more than sufficient. You can have those.


...I guess we'll have to wait until foreign terrorists start shooting people at the malls before we ban these weapons.
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Old 07-20-2012, 06:33 PM   #80
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Would you guys rather be a surviving victim of a lone gunman whole killed 12 and wounded you and 58 others, or would you rather be a surviving victim of a bomb that hurt and killed the same number? Id take being shot than having something exploded on me and those around me. Being shot at least affords the opportunity to fight back.

My point is this guy is crazy. If you want to cause mass harm you can. Banning guns of any type wont stop that.
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Old 07-20-2012, 06:43 PM   #81
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Take it easy man, we don't want you to exert your brain too much. Still, you can do better than poking fun at the words describe a class of weapons.

It may not make sense to ban deer rifles but it sure as shit makes sense to ban AR-15s. Those type of weapons serve one purpose and one purpose only, assault people and in mass at a rapid and constant pace. For your run of the mill home invasions I am sure a hand gun is more than sufficient. You can have those.


...I guess we'll have to wait until foreign terrorists start shooting people at the malls before we ban these weapons.
No, wrong.
A semi auto over the counter "deer rifle" can put lead downfield as fast as any over the counter semi auto you want to classify as an "assualt rifle".
If the AR was semi auto, its capability to kill is equal to a deer rifle
And your serve one purpose only statement is ridiculous.
Every one I've ever seen does nothing but put holes in paper targets.
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Old 07-20-2012, 06:46 PM   #82
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I can't imagine why banning assault rifles would be a bad thing. Yes the laws on the books need to be enforced, but I think the laws can also be significantly tightened up as well. I hate that saying how guns don't kill people. Ok it's more like guns in the hands of people kill people, but still that argument is weak and glosses over the issue.
Define assault rifle.....
If you are talking about an automatic rifle/weapon then their are already widespread bannings and restrictions.
And if he acquired one illegally, well then you are going to have to talk the military into melting all theirs down so they cant get stolen and sold.
You may want to have a stern talk with international smugglers too.
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Old 07-20-2012, 06:49 PM   #83
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I'm going to manufacture a new line of baseball bat.
I'll call it the Assault Bat.
Maybe someone will buy one and kill his neighbor with it.
OMG!
Bats are evil.
The media will sensationalize the name and create a bunch of hype and ignorant libs will eat it up.
Ban all baseball bats!
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Old 07-20-2012, 07:00 PM   #84
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We're delving into another issue entirely. Fact is innocent people are dead. Maybe we should focus on that.
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knee jerk reactions won't bring them back, nor prevent more of the same...
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No, wrong.
A semi auto over the counter "deer rifle" can put lead downfield as fast as any over the counter semi auto you want to classify as an "assualt rifle".
If the AR was semi auto, its capability to kill is equal to a deer rifle
And your serve one purpose only statement is ridiculous.
Every one I've ever seen does nothing but put holes in paper targets.

Deer rifles use to be single round bolt action weapons but now you all these ludicrous assault weapons mascaraing as hunting gun. Sorry mlmpetert, they can be banned too.


Surely there are other satisfying ways of shooting holes in paper target.
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If we are going to get in to the "Ban" arena, why are we banning assault weapons? What do they do that some other firearms do not? They don't really do anything that a Glock 19 (or 40k other guns do not) won't do.
If we're going to ban....let's have it work and not just just more feel good nonsense for an uninformed public.
But on the subject of Federal bans and success of same. How we doing with the ban on illegal drugs?
Lets do something that may work......
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Would you guys rather be a surviving victim of a lone gunman whole killed 12 and wounded you and 58 others, or would you rather be a surviving victim of a bomb that hurt and killed the same number? Id take being shot than having something exploded on me and those around me. Being shot at least affords the opportunity to fight back.

My point is this guy is crazy. If you want to cause mass harm you can. Banning guns of any type wont stop that.

You're not offering much of a choice, especially those who are in the line of the fire or explosion. I mean, would you rather have your eyes gouged or have the left side of your brain removed?

Banning "assault weapons" will stop someone from shooting 71 people in a crowded theater in a short period. It certainly works in the rest of the civilized world, I can't imagine it won't work here.
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If we are going to get in to the "Ban" arena, why are we banning assault weapons. What do they do that some other firearms do not? They don't really do anything that a Glock 19 (or 40k other guns do not) won't do.
If we're going to ban....let's have it work and not just just more feel good nonsense for an uninformed public.
But on the subject of Federal bans and success of same. How we doing with the ban on illegal drugs?
Lets do something that may work......
Balance. I think you can reasonably claim that hand guns can be used for protection where as the case simply isn't there for assault weapons, and it certainly isn't for semi-automatic machine guns masquerading as deer rifles.

100 round AR-15 clips? For what? War? Hunting?
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Old 07-20-2012, 08:08 PM   #90
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The anti gun argument is flawed for one very simple reason: reality. These things already exist. Even if you made them illegal tomorrow, there are so many in existence through both legal and illegal channels that you will never prevent something like this. It's an undeniable tragedy but to place the blame on an inanimate object when there are countless alternatives capable of achieving the exact same level of destruction... That's just irresponsible and shortsighted thinking. If we could go back in time and "un-invent" guns (might as well get rid of nukes and all pointy objects while we've got the flux capacitor fired up) then I would agree with saden's point.
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