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Old 04-19-2013, 12:32 PM   #196
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I think the poster is reading faaaaar too much into it and misapplying the term taqiyya. The uncle also called his nephew "a loser". To me, the uncle would not have used the derogatory term if he was invoking taqiyya - which is a self protection and limited in application to hiding was beliefs if that person is under immediate, mortal harm (further, Chechens are generally Sunni which doesn't recognize taqiyya as a formal principle since it was developed by the minority Shia muslims in response to majority Sunni oppression).

I would imagine that any follow-up will fully explore potential collaborators with these two. If the uncle is involved, I doubt he will be able to hide it. Until there is some evidence of that, however, I will take his statement at face value and assume he is both angered by and ashamed of the actions taken by his nephews.
Google the historian and theologian al Tabari, who was sunni. He said taqiyya is acceptable in certain circumstances. Also Kitman is always permitted when dealing with kufr.

Just because Chechens are generally sunni doesn't mean that they all are or that their observation of islam is the same as every other moslem.
Historically they have proved to be far more vociferous that most moslem groups. E.G. Beslan school attack.
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The uncle just gave a live press conference, and called on the suspect to turn himself in and ask forgiveness from the bombing victims and the families of the same. He also said they brought shame to the name of all Chechens. He didn't sound insincere, he sounded indignant and angry.

I get the argument about taqiyya in the comments, thought it was interesting, but listening to him live, I don't think that's what he was doing
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Old 04-19-2013, 12:40 PM   #198
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OMG! He (uncle) is clearly working with the bothers. Geez. Come on people.
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Here's a live stream (NECN - Breaking News, Boston Weather, politics and the Latest Business, Health, Arts and Sports) if you haven't seen it. Just talking media, but they just did an interview with a girl who went to middle school and high school with the suspect who is still at large.
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Ruslan is borderline delusional. "Chechens are peaceful".

Not all of them, not recently.

EDIT: I take it back, he's obviously very upset, as anyone would be.
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I don't disagree with anything you've said. There are always subtleties when discussing such philosophical principals. At the same time, we westerners have that silly principle of innocent until proven guilty. If the uncle is complicit, it will come out. To parse his words looking for a way to impugn him, however, is not proof of anything.
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The uncle just gave a live press conference, and called on the suspect to turn himself in and ask forgiveness from the bombing victims and the families of the same. He also said they brought shame to the name of all Chechens. He didn't sound insincere, he sounded indignant and angry.

I get the argument about taqiyya in the comments, thought it was interesting, but listening to him live, I don't think that's what he was doing
I agree, plus he's probably a Redskins fan.
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For the record i am kidding. Uncle seems legit I am sure he will be put under a microscope by the FBI.

If you are these bothers why stay in the country??? They had days to get out.
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If you are these bothers why stay in the country??? They had days to get out.
To complete the plan?
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I think the poster is reading faaaaar too much into it and misapplying the term taqiyya. The uncle also called his nephew "a loser". To me, the uncle would not have used the derogatory term if he was invoking taqiyya - which is a self protection and limited in application to hiding was beliefs if that person is under immediate, mortal harm (further, Chechens are generally Sunni which doesn't recognize taqiyya as a formal principle since it was developed by the minority Shia muslims in response to majority Sunni oppression).

I would imagine that any follow-up will fully explore potential collaborators with these two. If the uncle is involved, I doubt he will be able to hide it. Until there is some evidence of that, however, I will take his statement at face value and assume he is both angered by and ashamed of the actions taken by his nephews.
I completely agree with you. It amazes me that some folks are trying so hard to stir up trouble which is not there, when there is plenty of real trouble already on our plate.

BTW Taqiyya is a concept born among the Shii and is especially embraced by the Druze. It does have very limited application in Sunni realms, but al Tabari and other Sunni theologians have justified it only as a last resort in very limited situations. Many Sunnis look down on the practice as a Shii practice and therefore an inferior (to them) practice.
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For the record i am kidding. Uncle seems legit I am sure he will be put under a microscope by the FBI.

If you are these bothers why stay in the country??? They had days to get out.
Obviously the brothers had a very poor post-bomb plan. If I knew that I was wanted for a bombing, the last thing I would do is rob a 7-11.
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I completely agree with you. It amazes me that some folks are trying so hard to stir up trouble which is not there, when there is plenty of real trouble already on our plate.

BTW Taqiyya is a concept born among the Shii and is especially embraced by the Druze. It does have very limited application in Sunni realms, but al Tabari and other Sunni theologians have justified it only as a last resort in very limited situations. Many Sunnis look down on the practice as a Shii practice and therefore an inferior (to them) practice.

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I completely agree with you. It amazes me that some folks are trying so hard to stir up trouble which is not there, when there is plenty of real trouble already on our plate.

BTW Taqiyya is a concept born among the Shii and is especially embraced by the Druze. It does have very limited application in Sunni realms, but al Tabari and other Sunni theologians have justified it only as a last resort in very limited situations. Many Sunnis look down on the practice as a Shii practice and therefore an inferior (to them) practice.
Many radical moslems practice a different form of islam than the one your local imam will promote, regardless of whether sunni or shiia.
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Obviously the brothers had a very poor post-bomb plan. If I knew that I was wanted for a bombing, the last thing I would do is rob a 7-11.
7-11's are pretty rare up there should have robbed a Cumberland Farms, DUH!
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