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Old 04-20-2013, 02:22 PM   #286
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Why are we second guessing?? They got them, end of story.
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Old 04-20-2013, 02:26 PM   #287
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Why are we second guessing?? They got them, end of story.
Because they are public servants paid to protect us. I would like to know they are doing the best job they can.
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Old 04-20-2013, 02:31 PM   #288
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Because they are public servants paid to protect us. I would like to know they are doing the best job they can.
Seems they did a fine job to me.

Could things have been done different or better? Sure, easy for those watching from the sidelines to say I guess.
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Old 04-20-2013, 02:48 PM   #289
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They got these mere days after the incident.
I'd say thats a good job.
Some of them also died doing the job.
Props to Boston PD and the extended lawmen taking these guys down.
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I am sorry, let me get this straight ... It has been less than seven days since explosions caused death and injury at a popular open air sporting event that attracts people from all over the world and, in that time:

- The explosive devices causing the event were identified in detail;

- Two relatively faceless individuals were correctly identified (again, in detail) out of the thousands in attendance at the marathon and in a city with a population of ~4.5 million in its metropolitan area;

- The two individuals were located amongst those millions of people in an area of ~90 square miles;

- The two individuals were apprehended or killed while clearly armed to the teeth with various weapons capable of inflicting indiscriminate death and destruction; and

- All of this was accomplished with not a single scratch to any civilian and with only one additional death to law enforcement personnel.

... and we are not holding folks to a "high enough standard"?

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Old 04-20-2013, 03:00 PM   #291
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Seems they did a fine job to me.

Could things have been done different or better? Sure, easy for those watching from the sidelines to say I guess.
Hey man anyone could have taking that dude down within minutes.......

Gotta love armchair cops
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Old 04-20-2013, 03:12 PM   #292
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LOL that is a such a great epic fail. Where can I get my FBI online degree?
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I am sorry, let me get this straight ... It has been less than seven days since explosions caused death and injury at a popular open air sporting event that attracts people from all over the world and, in that time:

- The explosive devices causing the event were identified in detail;

- Two relatively faceless individuals were correctly identified (again, in detail) out of the thousands in attendance at the marathon and in a city with a population of ~4.5 million in its metropolitan area;

- The two individuals were located amongst those millions of people in an area of ~90 square miles;

- The two individuals were apprehended or killed while clearly armed to the teeth with various weapons capable of inflicting indiscriminate death and destruction; and

- All of this was accomplished with not a single scratch to any civilian and with only one additional death to law enforcement personnel.

... and we are not holding folks to a "high enough standard"?

All I can say is 'wow'. One way or the other if I learned anything this week it's that people will NEVER cease to amaze me.
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Old 04-20-2013, 03:21 PM   #294
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I am sorry, let me get this straight ... It has been less than seven days since explosions caused death and injury at a popular open air sporting event that attracts people from all over the world and, in that time:

- The explosive devices causing the event were identified in detail;

- Two relatively faceless individuals were correctly identified (again, in detail) out of the thousands in attendance at the marathon and in a city with a population of ~4.5 million in its metropolitan area;

- The two individuals were located amongst those millions of people in an area of ~90 square miles;

- The two individuals were apprehended or killed while clearly armed to the teeth with various weapons capable of inflicting indiscriminate death and destruction; and

- All of this was accomplished with not a single scratch to any civilian and with only one additional death to law enforcement personnel.

... and we are not holding folks to a "high enough standard"?

I am not usually one on the side of LE, but this was an exceptional job. Not only for the reasons you listed, but even more so for the behind the scenes inter agency cooperation. Every level of LE came together, shared resources, and when needed went to the public for the resources of millions of US citizens. Very high level and commendable work.

I heard one commentator talk about this opening a new page of IEDs in the US. Maybe it does, but if it does, the other thing this did was show that if you want to do that you will forfeit your life. If some lunatic is ready to forfeit their life, this type of attack is almost impossible to stop, but clearly these two, and imo most would be mass murderers. believe they are more clever and won't be caught. This incident makes that self belief just a little harder to have.
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The level of reading comprehension on this site is bewildering poor. Go back and read what I said earlier before you condemn me for something you're imagining. I said the kid left a trail of blood etc.
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To slightly change the subject, I'm curious to see what the motives were behind these 2. Who are they working for? Etc.

But kudos to the Boston police and FBI for not losing any lives in their pursuit of the second suspect. The whole time I was watching yesterday I was worries that the suspect would blow himself up and cops would lose lives. Nope and nope. It was a success.
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The level of reading comprehension on this site is bewildering poor. Go back and read what I said earlier before you condemn me for something you're imagining. I said the kid left a trail of blood etc.
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Mkay.....

Here's what we know happened: There was a shootout, the older brother died, the younger got injured, he left a trail of blood, the police failed to follow the bouncing ball.

How is that a damn fine job?
... b/c police work is not perfect in the best of circumstances and, as Matty said, they got them. Did they stumble and miss something and then catch a lucky break. Yup. As with most "lucky breaks", however, the police created their own by busting their asses. Had they not done so, the would not have found and wounded him in the first place. It was the gunshot wounds that ultimately led to his capture.

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As Law Enforcement have a life/death influence over everyone's life I hold them to a higher standard than, say, a postal worker.
I took you out of context. Fair enough. At the same time, I would suggest that a legion of postal workers would not have accomplished what law enforcement did in this case since Monday.

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Because they are public servants paid to protect us. I would like to know they are doing the best job they can.
Less than one week from crime to apprehension of "armed and dangerous" bombers with no civilian casualties in the middle of the 6th most populous metropolitan center in the US. Under any reasonable standard, I am not sure how that is doing anything less than "the best job they can". It seems you are complaining about the lack of perfection. Fine. It wasn't perfect, but it was as damn close to it as I could have imagined less than a week ago.
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Less than one week from crime to apprehension. Not sure how that is not "doing the best job they can". It seems you are complaining about the lack of perfection. Fine. It wasn't perfect, but it was as damn close to it as I could have imagined less than a week ago.
Her JR, I am JUST critiquing their abysmal job of containing the younger brother post-shootout. If he was as committed to the cause as the older brother it could have been stupendously ugly.

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Her JR, I am JUST critiquing their abysmal job of containing the younger brother post-shootout. If he was as committed to the cause as the older brother it could have been stupendously ugly.


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I hear you, for that one thing, it appears they did a "bad" job. At the same time:

(1) without knowing more, not sure we can say they missed something blatant; you are assuming he was leaving a blood trail, maybe he didn't immediately, maybe it was in his clothes and not on the ground. I don't know, I wasn't there. Someone more familiar with LE can probably provide at least 5 or 6 reasonable explanations as to why they lost him all of which would be in line with the appropriate level of LE standards of care.

(2) Again, taking that one incident out of context is to demand perfection and, in a situation like this, I just think that to be an unreasonable demand. You disagree, I get it.

You're right. It could have been ugly. It could have been ugly from the get go, but, ultimately, it wasn't and that, to me, is what's important.
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