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GTripp0012 11-13-2006 07:52 PM

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[quote=GMScud;245284]So according to "advanced statistics," if Campbell had played yesterday we would have scored -1 pts?? MB is afraid to throw down the middle of the field, and can't throw longer than 10 yards to save his life. With all our speed at WR, its criminal to not take at least a few shots per game downfield. Brunell's avg. yards per attempt has got to be near the bottom of the list...[/quote]The 4 points a game is an average, not something we would lose every game. I bet Campbell could have put up at least 3 against Phili. But he wouldn't have gotten 36 against Jacksonville.

Brunell's yards per attempt are near the top (which has been my point all along). He gets a lot of YAC help, but when hes doing his part, it's hard to blame him. And if the defense has truly been playing up against us because they dont fear Brunell, then where did all the YAC come from? Let's face it, common opinion of Brunells year to date is wrong [I]somewhere.[/I]

RedskinRat 11-13-2006 07:55 PM

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Supreme effort from great players to turn Brunell's 'Pig's Ear' into a 'Silk Purse' play.

There's your explanation.

GTripp0012 11-13-2006 07:55 PM

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;245267]GTripp,

I love your resolve to prove us wrong and back up your undying support of Brunell, but I cannot believe that you don't think Brunell was A problem. Apparently Gibbs agrees with us and I'll just leave it at that.[/quote]He absolutely was a problem...yesterday. AND against Dallas week 2. Horrible games those days. What was the common link? Clinton Portis didn't play in the 2nd half of either game.

It's not an excuse, just correlation.

So if Campbell is missing CP, why would I expect him to fare any better?

GTripp0012 11-13-2006 07:56 PM

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[quote=RedskinRat;245319]Supreme effort from great players to turn Brunell's 'Pig's Ear' into a 'Silk Purse' play.

There's your explanation.[/quote]I think you're wrong.

That was easy.

hesscl34 11-13-2006 07:58 PM

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[quote=GTripp0012;245260]Except to this day it would be just as deloooooooosional to think that we'd be any better than 2-7 with Campbell at QB. The games we lost we didn't lose because of the QB position, and the Jacksonville game we won because of it.

You can't solve all your teams problems with a QB change, espicially when the QB wasn't the issue.

Here's a list of guys who have had worse seasons than MB:

Jon Jansen
Al Saunders
Derrick Dockery
Chris Cooley (my favorite Redskin)
Christian Fauria
Gregg Williams
Adam Archuleta
Sean Taylor
Carlos Rogers (I think he will improve drastically in the 2nd half of the year)
Warrick Holdman
Lemar Marshall (my 2nd favorite Redskin)
Marcus Washington
Andre Carter
Phillip Daniels

Good, now that we have Brunell out of the way, what are we going to do with those guys? And who is going to be Campbell's replacement when he doesnt throw 4 TDs this week?

According to [URL="http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb.php"]advanced statistics[/URL] Brunell is personally responsible for 36.6 points this season (4.1 DPAR/G) (above replacement, or a guy responsible for exactly 0, and yes you can be below replacement level). Until further proof, Campbell would fall at the replacement QB range (0 DPAR/G). In his prime, Campbell is projected to produce 6.1 DPAR/G. That means Campbell at his prime would be responsible for 55.0 points this season up until this point. But he's got a ways to go to make his projection so you are almost certainly taking a hit in the present.

So in the present, I would expect our average pts/game to decrease by 4 for the rest of the year, slowly increasing as JC gets expierence.[/quote]

OH, Hi! It's my new long lost twin again!! :)

Lady Brave 11-13-2006 07:58 PM

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I'm happy that Campbell is finally getting his shot. I think Brunell did the best he could, but his time is over. Brunell is a professional and a stand up guy and I believe he'll support Campbell.

I hope this will be a motivator for the team as well. It seems like we've been in slow motion with no clear direction and a sorely lacking sense of identity. I'm ready for us to move forward and finally end all the drama. Either way, it will be interesting watching the rest of season just to see how the kid is coming along.

Beemnseven 11-13-2006 07:58 PM

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS;245050]Good for Jason. But let me ask this. A rookie QB, without Portis-am I the only one who thinks next week (the next few weeks in fact) will be a very scaled back basic offense with, yes, a lot of short passes?[/QUOTE]

I actually think we're OK with Betts/Duckett. If it's one thing this front office did right, it was prepare for an injury to a running back or wideout.

If they're throwing Campbell to the wolves, and they have to see what he's got, then it would make no sense to keep the leash on him with 5 -10 yard passing patterns. Not only that, I think Saunders has had deep routes on all of his schemes -- Campbell's going to take chances like that anyway.

SmootSmack 11-13-2006 08:00 PM

Re: Breaking News - JC to start Sunday
 
[QUOTE=Beemnseven;245327]I actually think we're OK with Betts/Duckett. If it's one thing this front office did right, it was prepare for an injury to a running back or wideout.

If they're throwing Campbell to the wolves, and they have to see what he's got, then it would make no sense to keep the leash on him with 5 -10 yard passing patterns. Not only that, I think Saunders has had deep routes on all of his schemes -- Campbell's going to take chances like that anyway.[/QUOTE]

Long term I think you're right. I think the immediate future may be a bit (a lot) more conservative than fans want to accept.

dall-assblows 11-13-2006 08:01 PM

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red rat i love the sig

RedskinRat 11-13-2006 08:02 PM

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Finally, someone noticed. Even if he is high on caffeine

GTripp0012 11-13-2006 08:07 PM

Re: Breaking News - JC to start Sunday
 
[quote=RedskinRat;245319]Supreme effort from great players to turn Brunell's 'Pig's Ear' into a 'Silk Purse' play.

There's your explanation.[/quote]But to give some [URL="http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/wr.php"]actual hard evidence[/URL] that you are off the mark, so to speak...

I assume you are talking about the "great wide receivers and tight ends" we have.

Santana Moss is producing at an 8.7 DPAR level this season. Very good, but no where near last year.

Brandon Lloyd's DPAR -0.4
Antwaan Randle El's DPAR -0.2
Chris Cooley DPAR 2.9

For sake of comparision
James Thrash DPAR 4.4

So the "Supreme effort from great players" given by Randle El and Lloyd haven't quite made them into [I]replacement players[/I] this season. Cooley is a great player having a drop laden season.

It's Brunell's and somewhat Moss' doing that we have a passing game at all this year. Now you are removing a big part of that equation. Guess we will just have to run the...wow...maybe our offense is gonna blow this week.

jdlea 11-13-2006 08:10 PM

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It's about time. The decision I've been screaming for since Opening Day is finally happening!

RedskinRat 11-13-2006 08:11 PM

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Not to get into an argument GT, but I think you're looking at it from the wrong end.

Brandon Lloyd's DPAR -0.4
Antwaan Randle El's DPAR -0.2
Chris Cooley DPAR 2.9

How often have we seen MB complete consecutive average to long passes this season. We haven't. If you have WR's running downfield and no ball arriving who's that on?

dall-assblows 11-13-2006 08:13 PM

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[quote=RedskinRat;245333]Finally, someone noticed. Even if he is high on caffeine[/quote]

i m not on that stuff, i prefer the cigar or wacky tabacky

GREENSTHEMAN 11-13-2006 08:13 PM

Re: Breaking News - JC to start Sunday
 
[quote=TAFKAS;245050]Good for Jason. But let me ask this. A rookie QB, without Portis-am I the only one who thinks next week (the next few weeks in fact) will be a very scaled back basic offense with, yes, a lot of short passes?[/quote]

I think between Betts,Duckett,Cartwright that situation is good. I understand he is accurate with his throws, a younger arm has definitely got to be stronger than what Brunnel has now, and he has the ability so scramble so that may help the running backs by forcing defenses to account for his scrambling ability.

More importantly is stopping the penalties, and defensively I would like to see
Mackintosh in at LB.


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