Re: Where are Kelly & Thomas?
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;603967]I wonder how you feel about our overall ability to evaluate talent. I mean, obviously our scouts can't evaluate receivers. We have drafted and brought in bum after bum after bum, touted them all off-season as excellent workers, and then bam they all are bums. So does that translate all through out in your opinion, or is it only in receivers that we bring in bum after bum. Certainly I think our pro and college scouts are very effective at bringing good players in.

If I re-phrase the question to say "what part of our program for receivers keeps us from putting 3 quality starters on the field? " is that a better question? Are we scouting poor prospects? Are the players just worthless once they get here? Is Danny not investing enough in bringing in quality guys? Maybe there just aren't enough talented rookies in the draft for us to get the ones our scouting department really wants?

Any way I break it down, I see Hixon as replaceable. I can't believe we would do any worse, but we could do a whole lot better.[/quote]

Marko looked pretty good in August and at least earned a roster spot. Still yet to see how he looks in real action but there's some promise there.

I'm still not ready to give up Thomas and Kelly. We'll see how that plays out.

Re: Where are Kelly & Thomas?
 

[quote=dmvskinzfan08;603982][B]Matty you are being very cynical.[/B] You know full well what this person is trying to say. Giving a name is not necessary when you look at Hixon's full body of work as far as coaching WRs goes. Maybe it is the talent that is being brought in. Maybe its the evaluation process. But overall a coach should make players better. If you are a WR coach you would be teaching your receivers the tools they need to be successful. He hasn't. Plain and simple. Whether they are a 1st rounders or undrafted he hasn't yielded any results from the players that are brought in. ARE and Moss were already vets before they came to this team. So who is he improving? He isn't doing that well as a teacher when we bring in WRs and they can barely make a play. Zorn says Mitchell does not know the short routes. How long does it take to learn? [B]Who is supposed to teach him?[/B] If you are a teacher you bring the best out of a student. You might not be able to make a F student a A student. But you should atleast be able to get them to a D or C-. If not. [B]Why is he here?[/B][/quote]

No, I'm really not. If the argument is Hixon sucks and the reasoning is because he hasn't been able to make stars out of bums who haven't don't anything anywhere else either, I guess I just don't buy that as a legit answer.

I think overall people place too much emphasis on coaching at times. Sometimes you just don't have the horses. We really haven't had a ton of talent at WR for years now. Moss is good but a borderline #1. ARE is a slot guy. Thomas and Kelly are still pretty green experience wise.

I'm not saying Hixon is anything great, but look at a comparable situation with someone like Bugel. He hasn't been able to turn shit into stars either. Why? The talent really hasn't been there.

Re: Where are Kelly & Thomas?
 

[quote=SmootSmack;603813]At what point though do we say "You've made it to the NFL. To have gotten this far you should know how to run certain routes"?[/quote]

Typically when a guy is in the starting lineup, I guess that doesn't work for us.

Re: Where are Kelly & Thomas?
 

[quote=Mattyk72;604007]No, I'm really not. If the argument is Hixon sucks and the reasoning is because he hasn't been able to make stars out of bums who haven't don't anything anywhere else either, I guess I just don't buy that as a legit answer.

I think overall people place too much emphasis on coaching at times. Sometimes you just don't have the horses. We really haven't had a ton of talent at WR for years now. Moss is good but a borderline #1. ARE is a slot guy. Thomas and Kelly are still pretty green experience wise.

I'm not saying Hixon is anything great, but look at a comparable situation with someone like Bugel. He hasn't been able to turn shit into stars either. Why? The talent really hasn't been there.[/quote]

Who are our big talent evaluators are WR? Does that start at the scouts and work all of the way to the FO?

Everybody is missing on every pick in the past.. well almost forever?

I mean I don't know a lot about Hixon, I'd like to see him make somebody at least solid, but it's not like we've had WR issues for only the what, 5 years he's been here?

Re: Where are Kelly & Thomas?
 

Time will tell , lets face it , if Kelly or Thomas were on the Colts , Manning would make them look pretty darn good , as he has done with some very young WR's , Garcon / Collie .

Re: Where are Kelly & Thomas?
 

[quote=Mattyk72;604003]Marko looked pretty good in August and at least earned a roster spot. Still yet to see how he looks in real action but there's some promise there.

I'm still not ready to give up Thomas and Kelly. We'll see how that plays out.[/quote]

I agree. But I am just wondering why Marko is not ready. Mike Martz say there is a huge learning curve for WR second only to QB. Because the WR have to read defenses also. But I guess that is why so many people are Hixon so hard. He should be getting our receivers ready. Teaching them the routes and how to run them properly. Also the tricks of the trade. How to make your breaks. how to field off defenders using your body to make it harder for them to make INTS. Like on that interception JC threw that was intended for Kelly. He let a smaller defender jam him then pin him to the sidelines the whole route. Then he had a bad position on the jump ball and didn't little to break up the interception.[B] I am in no way saying the INT was Kelly's fault though[/B]. I just wonder what Hixon is teaching these guys. If they are not listening to his direction when it comes to game time. [I]He sould sometimes bench them for another WR like Marko. One to proove a point. Secondly to see if someone else can do better.[/I]

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[quote=Mattyk72;604003]Marko looked pretty good in August and at least earned a roster spot. Still yet to see how he looks in real action but there's some promise there.

I'm still not ready to give up Thomas and Kelly. We'll see how that plays out.[/quote]

I think this kind of makes part of the point I keep trying to make. In preseason, you can see if a guy has the talent to hang around. It's not NFL grade, moreso College on steroids. The fact that Marko shined, and that DT and MK had good preseasons, to me says there is ability, that could be refined by a good WR coach. But what we have is probably an above average College WR coach. A lot of college WR coaches couldn't make it at the NFL level, and I think that is the case with Hixon too. He can coach the WR basics, but can he show him what he needs to do against NFL CB's?

I don't know, really, I know I could watch him day in and day out, and probably be impressed, but the results of 5 years and average at best production says to me, lets see if there is someone better.

Re: Where are Kelly & Thomas?
 

Smith worked with receivers today; I hope this will help receivers out a lot.. We will find out soon enough, within few weeks..

[url=http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Lewis_Begins_Evaluation_At_First_Redskins_Practice_67504.jsp]Lewis Begins Evaluation At First Redskins Practice[/url]

Re: Where are Kelly & Thomas?
 

[quote=GridIron26;604046]Smith worked with receivers today; I hope this will help receivers out a lot.. We will find out soon enough, within few weeks..

[url=http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Lewis_Begins_Evaluation_At_First_Redskins_Practice_67504.jsp]Lewis Begins Evaluation At First Redskins Practice[/url][/quote]

nitpicking alert!

it was Lewis who worked with the receivers not Smith.

now back to your regular program.

Re: Where are Kelly & Thomas?
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;604049]nitpicking alert!

it was Lewis who worked with the receivers not Smith.

now back to your regular program.[/quote]

Lol thanks for correcting me.. I don't know how I got it wrong :doh:

Re: Where are Kelly & Thomas?
 

I think working with the receivers first after watching film is a good idea. Not that Hixon would need any help...:yeahright

Re: Where are Kelly & Thomas?
 

[quote=gridiron26;604046]Lewis worked with receivers today; i hope this will help receivers out a lot.. We will find out soon enough, within few weeks..

[URL="http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/lewis_begins_evaluation_at_first_redskins_practice_67504.jsp"]Lewis begins evaluation at first redskins practice[/URL][/quote]



[B][SIZE=4]yes!!!!!![/SIZE][/B]

Re: Where are Kelly & Thomas?
 

Does Kelly have some type of injury to his hands or something? I was listening to a video on Redskins.com and he said it hurts when he catches the ball.

Re: Where are Kelly & Thomas?
 

[quote=dmvskinzfan08;604346]Does Kelly have some type of injury to his hands or something? I was listening to a video on Redskins.com and [B]he said it hurts when he catches the ball[/B].[/quote]

How does he know? :)

Re: Where are Kelly & Thomas?
 

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/kelly-reveals-thumb-injury.html]Redskins Insider - Kelly Reveals Thumb Injury[/url]