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[quote=GMScud;773057]Good post. And those are good numbers for anyone in an offense as lame as ours. Imagine if we had any consistency with a coaching staff and QB? Cooley has already been to a few pro-bowls, and he'll probably see a few more before he's done in this league. Not spectacular, but a very, very solid player.[/quote]

Cooley is a much better blocker and twice as smart as Davis. I'd trade Davis in a heartbeat for anything above a 4th round pick.

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[quote=GMScud;773049]Not sure why you're hating on the guy. As Matty pointed out, he's still putting up very solid numbers and at 28 is still in his prime. You're so convinced Davis is better- let me ask you- given his track record this year, do you really think Shanahan would hesitate to bench Cooley for a better player?

Cooley isn't an elite TE, but he's definitely well above average, and to call him the 4th or 5th best TE in the division is just silly. Boss isn't better. Neither is Celek (who has an MVP candidate at QB and isn't doing a whole lot). Witten is better than Cooley, but IMO that's about it in the NFC East.[/quote]


I am frustrated with him because he is killing drives. He had a horrible game against Jax but he has been dropping key balls (drive extending balls) all year. He is becoming a problem instead of a solution, he isn't getting any younger and he is overpaid. From my viewpoint, Davis is always open (Rex missed an easy TD to him last game) and is a younger, cheaper alternative who would be just as productive if not more so.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;773100]I am frustrated with him because he is killing drives. He had a horrible game against Jax but he has been dropping key balls (drive extending balls) all year. He is becoming a problem instead of a solution, he isn't getting any younger and he is overpaid. From my viewpoint, Davis is always open (Rex missed an easy TD to him last game) and is a younger, cheaper alternative who would be just as productive if not more so.[/quote]

Honestly, you're digging at this point.

Yeah he's had some drops, but overall his numbers still stand up with the top guys in the league at his position. Plus he's been asked to block more than ever this year, which he's done a great job at too.

Just to note, Davis is a free agent after next year. So let's assume you trade away CC and FD steps in and has a nice year. Then he's going to be commanding a contact just as big, if not bigger, than the one CC has right now.

For the record I'm not against the idea of trading Cooley if the price is right. I'm just amazed/confused at how some of you talk down on the guy like he's trash and not a top TE.

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[quote=Mattyk;773103]For the record I'm not against the idea of trading Cooley if the price is right. I'm just amazed/confused at how some of you talk down on the guy like he's trash and not a top TE.[/quote]

Agreed. I can't believe the Cooley bashing either.

Fred Davis sux. I hate him.

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[quote=bigmarley4;773064]Cooley is a much better blocker and twice as smart as Davis. I'd trade Davis in a heartbeat for anything above a 4th round pick.[/quote]

I'd much rather do what we said we were going to do this past offseason and utilize more two tight end sets when it comes to the passing game. Certainly has worked well for New England. Then again Brady might be one of three QB's in the league that could make a wishbone offense work at the NFL level.

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[quote=GMScud;772995]Well I don't know what calling him the most overrated player means. It's not like there are very many highly rated players on this offense to begin with.

Cooley has had a down year, but the guy has been very solid for years for the Skins despite a revolving door at QB and offensive coordinator, not to mention a slew of shitty O-lines.

Fred Davis is a better athlete for sure, but Cooley runs better routes, is better after the catch, and, despite the drops, does have better hands. However, if the right offer is on the table, I can only think of two or three Skins that are untradeable, and Cooley isn't one of them.[/quote]

I'd probably give the nod to Davis for better after the catch.. too soon to tell on hands

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;773045]I agree. Tight end is one of the few positions (it may be the only position) where we have legitimate depth. We need youth period. Looking at our starting defense last week and the fact that they are probably going to 18 games makes the strategy of trying to win a championship with an old team obsolete.

If we were offered a 4th for Cooley, I would take it tomorrow.[/quote]

I wouldn't take a 4th.. he was drafted in the 3rd and we'd give him up for less than that. 4th rounder is a project lineman or LB or something, Cooley definitely has more value than that I think. We'd need a player and a 4th. I don't like the idea of getting anything less than a 2nd or very high 3rd though I doubt many teams are willing to give up a 2nd.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/29/cardinals-havent-shown-interest-in-re-signing-breaston/]Cardinals haven’t shown interest in re-signing Breaston | ProFootballTalk[/url]

anyone interested?

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[quote=Mattyk;773304][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/29/cardinals-havent-shown-interest-in-re-signing-breaston/]Cardinals haven’t shown interest in re-signing Breaston | ProFootballTalk[/url]

anyone interested?[/quote]

Yes please! I'd take him as competition for Armstrong/3rd receiver in a heartbeat.

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I think he could easily be our #2

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Wow, can't believe the Cooley hate going on. The guy has been a consistent go to guy for the last few years, with the exception of last season when he was injured. You just don't give up Cooley for a fourth rounder, no sir. He's worth at least a 2nd rounder in my opinion and maybe then some.

And I think Fred Davis has some potential as well, but he doesn't quite have the hands that Cooley has, but at least he is explosive when he does get the ball.

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Instead of trading Cooley, I would trade:

McNabb
Haynesworth
DHall- now that he has been voted to the pro-bowl he can fetch a decent pick, re-sign Rogers and go after Champ Bailey in FA.

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;773104]Agreed. I can't believe the Cooley bashing either.

Fred Davis sux. I hate him.[/quote]

Why the hate for FD? I wish we used him more.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;773313]Instead of trading Cooley, I would trade:

McNabb
Haynesworth
DHall- now that he has been voted to the pro-bowl he can fetch a decent pick, re-sign Rogers and go after Champ Bailey in FA.[/quote]


You would rather have Rogers instead of DHall? That doesn't make much sense to me. Also, DHall wouldn't get us more than 4th round pick. His contract is a little inflated (at least I think it is), and he isn't a true "shutdown" corner.

DHall is a playmaker. Rogers is a player with some decent cover skills.

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[quote=Mattyk;773304][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/29/cardinals-havent-shown-interest-in-re-signing-breaston/]Cardinals haven’t shown interest in re-signing Breaston | ProFootballTalk[/url]

anyone interested?[/quote]

Would you prefer Breaston, Jacoby Jones (with Kyle in Houston) or Braylon Edwards?