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[quote=Paintrain;1098666]

Let's be honest, no Redskins fan should be trying to defend any of our QBs play this season. It's been abysmal.[/quote]

This!

Every aspect of the team has been abysmal.
I think we should all agree that significant changes need to be made.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;1098652]Handing the ball of to a guy who wasn't there because it was a passing play, handing the ball off the wrong direction. Both McCoy and Griffin don't look much different when it comes to mistakes. Neither guy is very good right now this late in the year guys should know the offense.

That is all coaching[/quote]

Neither guy knowing the offense this late in the year is "Coaching"?

I see it like this...every QB on the roster ought to know the whole damn play book by now. Whether you're making 6 figures or 7, act like you care & study a little bit.

I'll change my stance if I hear that Gruden brought the "Al Saunders 700-page playbook" along with him or if he's drawing plays in the dirt.

Otherwise, not knowing a play is on the QB in my book.

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[quote=Bangee7;1098670]Neither guy knowing the offense this late in the year is "Coaching"?

I see it like this...every QB on the roster ought to know the whole damn play book by now. Whether you're making 6 figures or 7, act like you care & study a little bit.

I'll change my stance if I hear that Gruden brought the "Al Saunders 700-page playbook" along with him or if he's drawing plays in the dirt.

Otherwise, not knowing a play is on the QB in my book.[/quote]
THats the problem, no one looks like they know the playbook.
if it was one or two guys, you could blame them but everyone is making mistakes. If the class average is a D, you have to look at the teachers.

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It's definitely not a matter of not knowing the playbook, it's a matter of not recognizing what defenses are showing you. Which based on those reads, you should immediately know which targets should become your keys.

It's not a playbook problem, it's an inability to diagnose what they're seeing. So it's the chalkboard sessions that are lacking. Either the teaching is terrible or the QBs are too dumb to get it or they're too gunshy in the pocket from being whacked to think straight.

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[quote=Schneed10;1098709]It's definitely not a matter of not knowing the playbook, it's a matter of not recognizing what defenses are showing you. Which based on those reads, you should immediately know which targets should become your keys.

It's not a playbook problem, it's an inability to diagnose what they're seeing. So it's the chalkboard sessions that are lacking. Either the teaching is terrible or the QBs are too dumb to get it or they're too gunshy in the pocket from being whacked to think straight.[/quote]

I agree with you. They're not being coached properly. I just want to add "Or they're concerned about getting pulled by the guy who can't seem to decide on a starter."

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I think Robert comes from a military family where discipline and hard work are paramount. But his parents were sergeants, not colonels. I don't think his upbringing came with a lot of strategic or analytical thinking. His upbringing came with drive, determination, physical hard work (you hear stories about his dad pushing him in workouts, running hills, etc.). And you hear his motivational life lessons on Twitter and Facebook, he's very much a mind over matter kind of guy.

And his work ethic with the physical side, combined with his raw athleticism, was all he ever needed to succeed in high school and college. So naturally given his upbringing and his work habits, he focuses on the weight room and agility drills. He's never had to talk Xs and Os with a coach at the chalkboard. At least not at an advanced level.

Shanahan saw this, and designed a read option based offense that just required him to make one or two reads. Gruden needs him go through three or four reads. No surprise that we're seeing failure.

I don't think McVay and Gruden are lacking in the teaching of Xs and Os department. They're lacking in other areas, namely discipline. But sticking just to the QB training side, they're fine. Robert is the problem. He has to change and become more of a student of the game. I don't think he recognizes that though, so I think he'll continue to fail.

Kirk gets the Gruden offense. The teaching reached him. He's just a gun slinger and makes mistakes, then gets down on himself and has no gumption to rally.

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So long story short, I think Gruden makes a good offensive coordinator and McVay a good QB coach. But they're not strong enough in the discipline department or leadership department to be Head Coach and Coordinator respectively.

The team is sloppy and misses blocking assignments. The only unit I'd give a passing grade to on this team is the pass receiving group - Reed, Paul, and the WRs.

We need a stronger head coach with more of a kick ass style to whip these guys into shape. Gruden belongs back in the coordinator ranks.

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And I'm with Fletcher, Haslett is a disaster.

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[quote=Schneed10;1098712]So long story short, I think Gruden makes a good offensive coordinator and McVay a good QB coach. But they're not strong enough in the discipline department or leadership department to be Head Coach and Coordinator respectively.

The team is sloppy and misses blocking assignments. The only unit I'd give a passing grade to on this team is the pass receiving group - Reed, Paul, and the WRs.

We need a stronger head coach with more of a kick ass style to whip these guys into shape. Gruden belongs back in the coordinator ranks.[/quote]

Cowher.

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[quote=Schneed10;1098711]I think Robert comes from a military family where discipline and hard work are paramount. But his parents were sergeants, not colonels. I don't think his upbringing came with a lot of strategic or analytical thinking. His upbringing came with drive, determination, physical hard work (you hear stories about his dad pushing him in workouts, running hills, etc.). And you hear his motivational life lessons on Twitter and Facebook, he's very much a mind over matter kind of guy.

And his work ethic with the physical side, combined with his raw athleticism, was all he ever needed to succeed in high school and college. So naturally given his upbringing and his work habits, he focuses on the weight room and agility drills. He's never had to talk Xs and Os with a coach at the chalkboard. At least not at an advanced level.

Shanahan saw this, and designed a read option based offense that just required him to make one or two reads. Gruden needs him go through three or four reads. No surprise that we're seeing failure.

I don't think McVay and Gruden are lacking in the teaching of Xs and Os department. They're lacking in other areas, namely discipline. But sticking just to the QB training side, they're fine. Robert is the problem. He has to change and become more of a student of the game. I don't think he recognizes that though, so I think he'll continue to fail.

Kirk gets the Gruden offense. The teaching reached him. He's just a gun slinger and makes mistakes, then gets down on himself and has no gumption to rally.[/quote]

I dont think RG's parent's jobs have anything to do with whether or not he's a hard worker.

Its funny how now everyone thinks the team needs more discipline, because another part of why JG was hired is because he's more of a players coach than Shanny the disciplinarian.

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[quote=Schneed10;1098712]So long story short, I think Gruden makes a good offensive coordinator and McVay a good QB coach. But they're not strong enough in the discipline department or leadership department to be Head Coach and Coordinator respectively.

The team is sloppy and misses blocking assignments. The only unit I'd give a passing grade to on this team is the pass receiving group - Reed, Paul, and the WRs.

We need a stronger head coach with more of a kick ass style to whip these guys into shape. Gruden belongs back in the coordinator ranks.[/quote]

Yup, to infinity.

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RGIII is not the only one having issues:

[url=http://wallstcheatsheet.com/sports/what-do-colin-kaepernick-and-robert-griffin-iii-have-in-common.html/]What Do Colin Kaepernick and Robert Griffin III Have in Common?[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1098733]RGIII is not the only one having issues:

[URL="http://wallstcheatsheet.com/sports/what-do-colin-kaepernick-and-robert-griffin-iii-have-in-common.html/"]What Do Colin Kaepernick and Robert Griffin III Have in Common?[/URL][/quote]

Out of the three duo-threat quarterbacks that have had success in the past three years (RGIII, Kaepernick, and Wilson), only Wilson has had the most success and continues to play pretty well. I wonder how much of that has to do with the OL?

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[quote=skinsguy;1098734]Out of the three duo-threat quarterbacks that have had success in the past three years (RGIII, Kaepernick, and Wilson), only Wilson has had the most success and continues to play pretty well. I wonder how much of that has to do with the OL?[/quote]

I think it has more to do with the defense then anything else.