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[quote=Chico23231;1107316]Had a dream last night we drafted Bradon Schreff after we traded back in the first round...........also we traded for Andrew Luck somehow and gave him a ten year, 200 million dollar contract[/quote]

Haha @ the Luck comment.

The more I think about this draft the more I think we should stay away from OLine in the first 3 rounds. I know this might get me killed on this board, but our top two picks should go to front 7 guys as that's where we'll get the best value unless one of those late first round dbs fall.

I really think Long and Moses will be servicable lineman. It's on our coaches and Qbs to put them in a position to look good.

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[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000470108/article/mike-mayocks-position-rankings-for-2015-nfl-draft]Mike Mayock's position rankings for 2015 NFL Draft - NFL.com[/url]

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[quote=keemarley;1107365]Haha @ the Luck comment.

The more I think about this draft the more I think we should stay away from OLine in the first 3 rounds. I know this might get me killed on this board, but our top two picks should go to front 7 guys as that's where we'll get the best value unless one of those late first round dbs fall.

I really think Long and Moses will be servicable lineman. It's on our coaches and Qbs to put them in a position to look good.[/quote] We're all entitled to our own opinion. No one here is a personnel expert. We're all just fans with our own opinions. However, I disagree with you about Long and Moses. I was never really high on Moses coming out of college. After watching him in limited snaps. I'm convinced that this guy will be a average RT at best. He couldn't beat out Polumbus or Compton. That should say it all. Spencer Long might turn into somebody. At this point, I really just don't know. He couldn't be any worse than Chris Chester.

I have concerns about both of these guys. They couldn't outplay Polumbus, Compton, and Chester. Both of these guys have had serious injuries thus far in their young careers. I'm not sure if Moses is going to be available for training camp. When these guys did get a chance to see the field neither one of them were impressive. I don't have any confidence in these guys.

The OL is just as important as the front seven. The offense will only be as good as the offensive line. Last year we couldn't run the ball without RG3 in the line up. Our OL in below average. The only way we're going to be a good line is if we put some good players on that OL. The pretenders that we have on our team right now will not get it done.

With that being said, I have no problem with investing the first three picks in the front seven. However, I don't believe for a second the guys we have right now on our OL is good enough to get the job done.

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[quote=redskinsfan1980;1107396]We're all entitled to our own opinion. No one here is a personnel expert. We're all just fans with our own opinions. However, I disagree with you about Long and Moses. I was never really high on Moses coming out of college. After watching him in limited snaps. I'm convinced that this guy will be a average RT at best. He couldn't beat out Polumbus or Compton. That should say it all. Spencer Long might turn into somebody. At this point, I really just don't know. He couldn't be any worse than Chris Chester.

I have concerns about both of these guys. They couldn't outplay Polumbus, Compton, and Chester. Both of these guys have had serious injuries thus far in their young careers. I'm not sure if Moses is going to be available for training camp. When these guys did get a chance to see the field neither one of them were impressive. I don't have any confidence in these guys.

The OL is just as important as the front seven. The offense will only be as good as the offensive line. Last year we couldn't run the ball without RG3 in the line up. Our OL in below average. The only way we're going to be a good line is if we put some good players on that OL. The pretenders that we have on our team right now will not get it done.

With that being said, I have no problem with investing the first three picks in the front seven. However, I don't believe for a second the guys we have right now on our OL is good enough to get the job done.[/quote]

Great points. We'll have to see how it turns out. I think the problem with Moses was fans viewed him as a day 1 starter. I don't think the staff ever anticipated that. If we're truly going to build through the draft we have to give our staff some room to coach up players and give those players time to grow. Whether or staff is competent is a whole other discussion haha

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[quote=redskinsfan1980;1107396]We're all entitled to our own opinion. [B]No one here is a personnel expert. We're all just fans with our own opinions[/B]. However, I disagree with you about Long and Moses. I was never really high on Moses coming out of college. After watching him in limited snaps. I'm convinced that this guy will be a average RT at best. He couldn't beat out Polumbus or Compton. That should say it all. Spencer Long might turn into somebody. At this point, I really just don't know. He couldn't be any worse than Chris Chester.

I have concerns about both of these guys. They couldn't outplay Polumbus, Compton, and Chester. Both of these guys have had serious injuries thus far in their young careers. I'm not sure if Moses is going to be available for training camp. When these guys did get a chance to see the field neither one of them were impressive. I don't have any confidence in these guys.

The OL is just as important as the front seven. The offense will only be as good as the offensive line. Last year we couldn't run the ball without RG3 in the line up. Our OL in below average. The only way we're going to be a good line is if we put some good players on that OL. The pretenders that we have on our team right now will not get it done.

With that being said, I have no problem with investing the first three picks in the front seven. However, I don't believe for a second the guys we have right now on our OL is good enough to get the job done.[/quote]
Time here will make you see the....Gross error of those statements

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[quote=keemarley;1107398]Great points. We'll have to see how it turns out. I think the problem with Moses was fans viewed him as a day 1 starter. I don't think the staff ever anticipated that. If we're truly going to build through the draft we have to give our staff some room to coach up players and give those players time to grow. Whether or staff is competent is a whole other discussion haha[/quote]

IMO specific to this draft, if you got a top 5 pick as we do we you go front 7 no question about it. We have a great diverse pool of guys in the defensive front...and I think we could get a good OT in the second round.

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IMO this is what we should, we need workers who have the potential with some work to become good. If possible I would trade back twice in the first round and pick another 2nd & 3rd pick. We now have 5 picks in the first 100 picks with the right GM who we have we could get some real workers. We have to many holes to pick a so called SUPER STAR or Can't miss. Just my opinion and everyone has one.

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[quote=keemarley;1107398]Great points. We'll have to see how it turns out. I think the problem with Moses was fans viewed him as a day 1 starter. I don't think the staff ever anticipated that. If we're truly going to build through the draft we have to give our staff some room to coach up players and give those players time to grow. Whether or staff is competent is a whole other discussion haha[/quote]

You're absolutely right. I'm all for developing our young guys. That is why I stress that we be patient with RG3, Kirk Cousins, David Amerson, Jordan Reed, Philip Thomas, Trent Murphy, etc. In this up and coming draft we need to find those mid and late round gems. I'm confident that we got the right guy picking the players. I can't say the same thing about the guy coaching them.

I keep hearing people refer to Jay Gruden as a qb guru. Which is laughable because I can't think of not one good qb that he developed. Andy Dalton is a average qb with above average talent around him. Gruden was thoroughly out coached this year. The only reason I think he got the job was because he coach in Tampa Bay and his last name is Gruden. This man is Jim Zorn 2.0.

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Randy Gregory weighs in at 235...... no thanks at #5

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[quote=Irrefutable;1107733]Randy Gregory weighs in at 235...... no thanks at #5[/quote]

Because his weight means he can't play football.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1107733]Randy Gregory weighs in at 235...... no thanks at #5[/quote]

He'd make a good safety at that weight. So my question would be how are you in coverage.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1107742]Because his weight means he can't play football.[/quote]

Gregory was reportedly 218 at some point last season- can you name a good NFL OLB that weighs 235 ?

[url=http://t.co/NSJmx92G1r]NFL Draft | Pauline: Gregory started training at 218 lbs - Rotoworld.com[/url]

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[quote=Irrefutable;1107745]Gregory was reportedly 218 at some point last season- can you name a good NFL OLB that weighs 235 ?

[url=http://t.co/NSJmx92G1r]NFL Draft | Pauline: Gregory started training at 218 lbs - Rotoworld.com[/url][/quote]

Lavonte David, De'Andre Levy, Kiko Alonzo, Thomas Davis just to name a few

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[quote=Irrefutable;1107745]Gregory was reportedly 218 at some point last season- can you name a good NFL OLB that weighs 235 ?

[url=http://t.co/NSJmx92G1r]NFL Draft | Pauline: Gregory started training at 218 lbs - Rotoworld.com[/url][/quote]

If Gregory kicked so much patootey when he was around 220, imagine how much arse he will kick when he fills out near 250.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1107751]Lavonte David, De'Andre Levy, Kiko Alonzo, Thomas Davis just to name a few[/quote]

and none of them had more than 2 or 3 sacks.... they are not 6'5" either