Re: Cousins to start 2015 Season
 

Against the Ravens, RGIII looked dreadful. I'm sorry he got hurt but it was obvious he hadn't learned a thing about staying in the pocket. The move to put Cousins in as quarterback is the right move. RGIII needs to move on.

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IF the Redskins were the ONLY team to ever whiff on a draft pick I would really be upset..but as any real football fan knows there have been a lot of whiffs..I loved the pick at that time! ..Looking back Shanny and Kyle were the perfect fit for RGlll (he was rookie of year!!…lets not forget that!!)…what the hell happened?? INJURY..INJURIES..THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED! RGlll lost several steps and all his confidence plus add in all the other drama with coaching changes,Ownership issue and other factors why is it a surprise? Heath Shuler was a major whiff and there has been a lot of others ..The Skins saw the future gave up a ton to go after it and after that first season EVERYBODY gave the move a Thumbs up!..but that one game vs SEATTLE ..that injury and you know the rest of the story. I hope that RGlll somehow can get it back and have a career in the Nfl ..but at this point it does not look good ,who's fault is it..NOBODY is at fault! it is the way life is ..it happens all the time to average folks in all walks of life. I say let the Redskins deal with all this the way they see fit and as fans we get behind the team and who ever is qb and support them OR move on ..I know we all are disappointed but how do you think RGlll ,Dan Snyder and all the rest feel.. NOBODY WANTED THIS ..but we got to move on! Lets get behind this team !! GO SKINS!!

Re: Cousins to start 2015 Season
 

[quote=kingj;1118666]I'm 100% on board with shanny and Gruden belief that RGIII is not a pocket passer. IMO that part is clearly obvious.

So there were 2 options for Gruden: develop RG3/run read option or go with traditional pocket passer type (cousins).

He made his choice. London was right that Gruden was brought in to develop Griffin. Much was written about this at the time. He decided that he couldn't do it and needed a pocket passer for HIS system.

That's fine, but now it's time to show results or he will get canned. It's the bottom line, really.

Shanny took shots at Gruden for not adapting and working towards robert's strength, R/O. That's fine if he refused but now it's down to he better succeed with cousins/McCoy this year or he's out.[/quote]

Have you been paying attention to the last two and a half years?

1. RG3 vetoed the read option. 2. He isn't a pocket passer.

There isn't another way to be a QB in the NFL.

So Gruden better succeed with the QB's that he and the current GM inherited or else eh?

Really? That's the standard? He made a choice between RG3, Krik, and Colt.

In a perfect world, Gruden's choice should have been Luck, but since he had to pick from the three QB's we have Kirk is the guy.

Why not be more like the Steelers and build a team and an identity instead. How many coaches have they had in the last 30 years?

Based on reports mclovin and jay have similar philosophies. No idea if this is accurate or media fluff.

There are legit knocks on Gruden. Lack of QB coach. Lack of media savvy. Etc. . .

Not turning a steaming pile of dog crap into a shiny pile of gold isn't a legit criticism.

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[QUOTE=DYoungJelly;1118670]Have you been paying attention to the last two and a half years?



1. RG3 vetoed the read option. 2. He isn't a pocket passer.



There isn't another way to be a QB in the NFL.



So Gruden better succeed with the QB's that he and the current GM inherited or else eh?



Really? That's the standard? He made a choice between RG3, Krik, and Colt.



In a perfect world, Gruden's choice should have been Luck, but since he had to pick from the three QB's we have Kirk is the guy.



Why not be more like the Steelers and build a team and an identity instead. How many coaches have they had in the last 30 years?



Based on reports mclovin and jay have similar philosophies. No idea if this is accurate or media fluff.



There are legit knocks on Gruden. Lack of QB coach. Lack of media savvy. Etc. . .



Not turning a steaming pile of dog crap into a shiny pile of gold isn't a legit criticism.[/QUOTE]


Is your reading comprehension that bad?

I've said numerous times on this board that rg3 is not a pocket passer. I've said numerous times he would only succeed in a R/O.

Shanahan and others have said Gruden was stubborn and didn't adjust his system to rg3 and that's fine because it's his choice...but with that the pressure is on him to make HIS SYSTEM work with HIS CHOSEN QB.

Next time perhaps you should read exactly what I wrote before responding to what you think you read.

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There was Griffin before the second ACL tear, and then the guy afterwards who just seemed to get worse the more he played. I don't think the system matters.

Gruden is definately on the hot seat, he should be. He talks as much as anyone.

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[quote=kingj;1118666]That's fine, but now it's time to show results or he will get canned. It's the bottom line, really.
[/quote]

He has to win with a guy that generated zero trade interest last off season or a perennial back up or he will get canned.

I read what you wrote.

There are only a dozen articles basically saying the QB of the future isn't on the roster right now.

You're setting an unreasonable standard for the guys we have at QB by expecting immediate success.

Click over to the win/loss poll.

What's bad is we don't have a good option at QB this year.

It's a silly ultimatum.

What is your W/L numbers that would be "results"?

We basically have Kirk and Colt because nobody else wanted them this spring.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1118508]Fuck Mike Shanahan for leaving RGIII on the field against the Seahawks, he should have been benched after Ngata hit him in the Baltimore game.[/QUOTE]


Right on brother

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1118477]The cousins era has begun.
Mike Shanahan. Loves cousins. "Kirk Cousins is a franchise QB he will be a top 10 QB in this league no doubt about it"[/QUOTE]


I like Kirk but fuck Shanahan and whatever he says, if he's a franchise quarterback then why didn't he start him?

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Cooley's film breakdown of the offense from Baltimore:

[url=http://stationcaster.com/player_skinned.php?s=65&c=13491&f=4785303]ESPN 980 Audio Vault - Play Now[/url]

Cooley theorized the Raven's had a game plan to kill RG3. He said they blitzed like crazy. Every play in the 2 min drill.

It's a really good listen.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1118673]He has to win with a guy that generated zero trade interest last off season or a perennial back up or he will get canned.

I read what you wrote.

There are only a dozen articles basically saying the QB of the future isn't on the roster right now.

You're setting an unreasonable standard for the guys we have at QB by expecting immediate success.

Click over to the win/loss poll.

What's bad is we don't have a good option at QB this year.

It's a silly ultimatum.

What is your W/L numbers that would be "results"?

We basically have Kirk and Colt because nobody else wanted them this spring.[/quote]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there interest in Kirk, but just not at what the Redskins were wanting for him? Weren't they wanting something like a 2nd and a 4th round pick? I could be wrong i just seem to remember people wanting to get Kirk but not at what the Redskins were asking...

Cousins to start 2015 Season
 

[QUOTE=DYoungJelly;1118673]He has to win with a guy that generated zero trade interest last off season or a perennial back up or he will get canned.



I read what you wrote.



There are only a dozen articles basically saying the QB of the future isn't on the roster right now.



You're setting an unreasonable standard for the guys we have at QB by expecting immediate success.



Click over to the win/loss poll.



What's bad is we don't have a good option at QB this year.



It's a silly ultimatum.



What is your W/L numbers that would be "results"?



We basically have Kirk and Colt because nobody else wanted them this spring.[/QUOTE]


Ok so bottom line you don't feel Gruden is on the hot seat regardless of performance?

If he doesn't get to 7 wins after all the talk he's done himself, then yeah I believe he's gone. I'm not pro-Griffin in case you are reading it that way.

I simply see both Griffin and Gruden not with the organization at start of 2016 season. It's not like Gruden is blameless in this circus. He has made his share of mistakes and this is his 2nd chance with his preferred qb just like last year was Griffin's 2nd chance until injuries, performance and his refusal to run R/O (whether accurate or not) did him in.

Re: Cousins to start 2015 Season
 

[quote=SolidSnake84;1118677]Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there interest in Kirk, but just not at what the Redskins were wanting for him? Weren't they wanting something like a 2nd and a 4th round pick? I could be wrong i just seem to remember people wanting to get Kirk but not at what the Redskins were asking...[/quote]

I don't think anything better than a 4th was ever offered for him

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[quote=kingj;1118666]I'm 100% on board with shanny and Gruden belief that RGIII is not a pocket passer. IMO that part is clearly obvious.
[B]there were 2 options for Gruden: develop RG3/run read option or go with traditional pocket passer type (cousins).[/B]
So
He made his choice. London was right that Gruden was brought in to develop Griffin. Much was written about this at the time. He decided that he couldn't do it and needed a pocket passer for HIS system.

That's fine, but now it's time to show results or he will get canned. It's the bottom line, really.

Shanny took shots at Gruden for not adapting and working towards robert's strength, R/O. That's fine if he refused but [B]now it's down to he better succeed with cousins/McCoy this year or he's out.[/B][/quote]

Robert and his father basically refused to be a "running" QB.
AND JG has a $25m fully guaranteed gig for 5 years.....we'll see
BUT, I have no problem with SM kicking' his ass to the curb if he cannot get it done.

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[quote=kingj;1118678]Ok so bottom line you don't feel Gruden is on the hot seat regardless of performance?

If he doesn't get to 7 wins after all the talk he's done himself, then yeah I believe he's gone. I'm not pro-Griffin in case you are reading it that way.

I simply see both Griffin and Gruden not with the organization at start of 2016 season. It's not like Gruden is blameless in this circus. He has made his share of mistakes and this is his 2nd chance with his preferred qb just like last year was Griffin's 2nd chance until injuries, performance and his refusal to run R/O (whether accurate or not) did him in.[/quote]

Yeah, I have to disagree. This team was a train wreck when he got here. The Offensive line is still in development and lack any talented depth, and our secondary is a joke. Scot came in and said it would take several years of drafting and tweaking the roster before this team would be a serious competitor. There is just a serious talent vacuum on this team, and you think Gruden should be let go after 2 seasons with serious issues at QB and a general lack of talent and depth? Why, because the QB he inherited was injury prone, wouldn't run read option, and wouldn't/couldn't learn to be a pocket passer? You either need to explain what we're missing or accept that we think this is a ridiculous assertion.

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Oh Yay I'm a starter now, I just noticed. It only took 9 years of riding the pine.