Re: Who is Kirk Cousins?
 

[quote=DYoungJelly;1127030]We rank 27th in yards per rush counting two dominant rushing games against Miami and St Louis:

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/rushing/sort/yardsPerRushAttempt]2015 NFL Team Rushing Stats - National Football League - ESPN[/url]

How many QBs in the league would be doing better against those teams with that kind of run game (Granted he had a really bad game against the Giants, it happens)?

Not counting the 1st two games we have to be averaging 2.5 yards a carry?[/quote]
Honestly none of that is relevant in my assessment of Cousins. As I said, he's done slightly better than I thought he would but at the same time, he's mediocre.

If you want to look at stats, the only one that matters is points per game, specifically by the offense (taking out defensive/special teams scores). So far this year it's been 10, 24, 14, 23, 19, 13 & 31 or 19 points per game. That would be 30th in the league. Not good enough.

I haven't been a prisoner of the moment week to week with Cousins. He's had one great game (TB), one really good game (STL), two ok games (PHL & MIA) and three stinkers (ATL before the game tying drive, NYG & NYJ). How that is anything other than mediocre is confusing to me.

He's shown 2 things that I think we already knew; that he can move the offense when conditions are right and that he turns the ball over too much. Neither of those things have changed, for better or worse.

But again, that said, he should be the guy for all 16 this year, don't pull him for McCoy and Griffin likely will never suit up again. Ride it out and figure out what to do for 2016 and beyond.

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[quote=Chico23231;1127034]if we go to the Pats land and Cousins leads us to victory...ill eat a crow[/quote]

I just hope we compete next game, not like sundays 1st half we will be in real trouble... and... we need someone to play Gronk .. or somethin somehow against him

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[quote=Meks;1127049]I just hope we compete next game, not like sundays 1st half we will be in real trouble... and... [B]we need someone to play Gronk .. or somethin somehow against him[/B][/quote]

Back in the way back day, when one coach was asked how he planned to stop Bronko Nagurski, he shrugged: "With a shotgun as he's leaving the locker room."

Daring to be politically incorrect, I think that's about the only way we stop Gronk.

One of my favorite Nagurski'isms:
"Bronko Nagurski took a handoff, blasted through the opposition, crossed the goal line, and ran clear through the end zone and into a brick wall. 'That last guy hit me awfully hard,' he admitted later."

Who is Kirk Cousins?
 

[QUOTE=Paintrain;1127043]Honestly none of that is relevant in my assessment of Cousins. As I said, he's done slightly better than I thought he would but at the same time, he's mediocre.



If you want to look at stats, the only one that matters is points per game, specifically by the offense (taking out defensive/special teams scores). So far this year it's been 10, 24, 14, 23, 19, 13 & 31 or 19 points per game. That would be 30th in the league. Not good enough.



I haven't been a prisoner of the moment week to week with Cousins. He's had one great game (TB), one really good game (STL), two ok games (PHL & MIA) and three stinkers (ATL before the game tying drive, NYG & NYJ). How that is anything other than mediocre is confusing to me.



He's shown 2 things that I think we already knew; that he can move the offense when conditions are right and that he turns the ball over too much. Neither of those things have changed, for better or worse.



But again, that said, he should be the guy for all 16 this year, don't pull him for McCoy and Griffin likely will never suit up again. Ride it out and figure out what to do for 2016 and beyond.[/QUOTE]


I agree ppg at 30 is bad. Out of curiosity did u account for other teams st and d ppg being taken out of the equation too?
Also mediocre to me for basically a rookie qb(in games played) is fine imo.
Edit : total points we are 18, and there isnt much drop off from number 10-18.

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[quote=Paintrain;1127043]Honestly none of that is relevant in my assessment of Cousins. As I said, he's done slightly better than I thought he would but at the same time, he's mediocre.

If you want to look at stats, the only one that matters is points per game, specifically by the offense (taking out defensive/special teams scores). So far this year it's been 10, 24, 14, 23, 19, 13 & 31 or 19 points per game. That would be 30th in the league. Not good enough.

I haven't been a prisoner of the moment week to week with Cousins. He's had one great game (TB), one really good game (STL), two ok games (PHL & MIA) and three stinkers (ATL before the game tying drive, NYG & NYJ). How that is anything other than mediocre is confusing to me.

He's shown 2 things that I think we already knew; that he can move the offense when conditions are right and that he turns the ball over too much. Neither of those things have changed, for better or worse.

But again, that said, he should be the guy for all 16 this year, don't pull him for McCoy and Griffin likely will never suit up again. Ride it out and figure out what to do for 2016 and beyond.[/quote]

I understand what you're saying.

Where does he rank 1 to 32?

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at this point mediocre aint bad! Its not like we have choices. Colt is a true backup Qb and we are lucky to have him,but He is not a starter. I will say right now if the skins put cousins out as trade bait we could get a pretty high pick for him NOW..maybe a number 2 ..he would start for another team. We might have our starting QB..who knows ,at least we have somebody with upside potential.There has been hall of fame QB's that have been released from teams early in there career.please lets give Cousins all the support we can and we will all find out who he is.

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Wait.
Wait.

I think Kirk is average so far, but....

You are a fool if you think he running game has nothing to do with evaluating the QB position. Especially when half your playbook can be eliminated and the defense you play against is a determination of the running game and how successful it is.

Carry on....

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1127062]I understand what you're saying.

Where does he rank 1 to 32?[/quote]

Without doing a full drawn out ranking of everyone, I'd place him comfortably in the 18-22 range. He's in the Cutler, Hoyer, Alex Smith, Fitzgerald grouping.. He can put up a dazzling performance or a stinker equally.

He's below the tier of Stafford, Carr, Tanneyhill, Flacco, Ryan but ahead of the McCown, Taylor/Manuel, Bradford, Foles and the rookies tier..

Interested where others may place him.

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[quote=Bucket;1127077]Wait.
Wait.

I think Kirk is average so far, but....

You are a fool if you think he running game has nothing to do with evaluating the QB position. Especially when half your playbook can be eliminated and the defense you play against is a determination of the running game and how successful it is.

Carry on....[/quote]

Evaluating the position in terms of functioning within the scope of the offense, I'd agree but the things he struggle with (accuracy, turnovers) have zip to do with the running game. Those are purely his ability and decision making.

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[quote=Paintrain;1127079]Evaluating the position in terms of functioning within the scope of the offense, I'd agree but the things he struggle with (accuracy, turnovers) have zip to do with the running game. Those are purely his ability and decision making.[/quote]

Pretty easy to disagree with this. Considering throwing 20 times a game or 40 times is a huge variable in interceptions thrown.

It's easier for say.... Carson Palmer to make decisions on his throws when when he can throw from play action knowing defenses will bite. Or how tight the coverage is when rolling out, etc.

But anyhow.. I'll just agree to disagree because in a team game. It's difficult for me to believe the evaluation of 1 player has nothing to do with the other 10.

And this is coming from someone who played at a D1 level and fully understand its importance.

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[quote=Paintrain;1127043]Honestly none of that is relevant in my assessment of Cousins. As I said, he's done slightly better than I thought he would but at the same time, he's mediocre.

If you want to look at stats, the only one that matters is points per game, specifically by the offense (taking out defensive/special teams scores). So far this year it's been 10, 24, 14, 23, 19, 13 & 31 or 19 points per game. That would be 30th in the league. Not good enough.

I haven't been a prisoner of the moment week to week with Cousins. He's had one great game (TB), one really good game (STL), two ok games (PHL & MIA) and three stinkers (ATL before the game tying drive, NYG & NYJ). How that is anything other than mediocre is confusing to me.

He's shown 2 things that I think we already knew; that he can move the offense when conditions are right and that he turns the ball over too much. Neither of those things have changed, for better or worse.

But again, that said, he should be the guy for all 16 this year, don't pull him for McCoy and Griffin likely will never suit up again. Ride it out and figure out what to do for 2016 and beyond.[/quote]

Agreed. Just ride it out with Cousins and grab a stud QB next year, so we can be just like the 31 other teams in the NFL who have future hall of famers that never throw interceptions. Piece of cake.

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[quote=44Deezel;1127082]Agreed. Just ride it out with Cousins and grab a stud QB next year, so we can be just like the 31 other teams in the NFL who have future hall of famers that never throw interceptions. Piece of cake.[/quote]
Yep, that's exactly what I said. Spot on interpretation.

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[quote=Paintrain;1127078]Without doing a full drawn out ranking of everyone, I'd place him comfortably in the 18-22 range. He's in the Cutler, Hoyer, Alex Smith, Fitzgerald grouping.. He can put up a dazzling performance or a stinker equally.

He's below the tier of Stafford, Carr, Tanneyhill, Flacco, Ryan but ahead of the McCown, Taylor/Manuel, Bradford, Foles and the rookies tier..

Interested where others may place him.[/quote]

I'd say that's pretty good for a guy who's only started 15 games. Sheehan had his stats at 4200 yds, 25TDs, 20INTs and 65% completion in those 15 games. Terrible. He refuses to acknowledge the 2013 Giants game though.

He may not be the long term answer, but the odds are against finding a better alternative anytime soon. McCloughan's history suggests he's more concerned with building the rest of the team while taking low risk shots at QB that may hit from time to time.

Who is Kirk Cousins?
 

Not sure I agree that inaccuracy or poor decisions (in big sums) have anything to do with the run game. I mean sure if you throw more your chances are greater, but its not like his int's are usually tipped or their is some fantastic play by the db. They are usually strait up head scratching fails that would not have a chance no matter what the situation.
That being said I think he can control that as he gains experience and if he is in the middle of the pack or close to it than I see zero problems with the position for the time being.

Edit: question is really - is he good enough to play qb if we put a stud team around him? Yes imo. Lets face it there arent to many brady's or rodger's out there that can carry a team. Look at Eli Manning. Dude is a turnover machine, but when he had a killer defense, and great oline with weapons he is an instant super bowl mvp. Go figure. You give KC a deep threat, little more up front, and a killer D and I think he can do the job for sure.

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[quote=Bucket;1127081]Pretty easy to disagree with this. Considering throwing 20 times a game or 40 times is a huge variable in interceptions thrown.

It's easier for say.... Carson Palmer to make decisions on his throws when when he can throw from play action knowing defenses will bite. Or how tight the coverage is when rolling out, etc.

But anyhow.. I'll just agree to disagree because in a team game. It's difficult for me to believe the evaluation of 1 player has nothing to do with the other 10.

And this is coming from someone who played at a D1 level and fully understand its importance.[/quote]
To clarify, a QB ability to make an accurate pass from a clean pocket, IMO, has nothing to do with a running game. A QB decision to throw into double coverage or stare down a receiver or bail out and throw off their back foot due to pressure has nothing to do with a running game.

Evaluating if they have the overall requisite skills to lead an offense competently and be a productive starter has everything to do with the other 10 players around him.