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Some seriously delusional Colts fans out there. Seen several of them commenting how that Luck contract was good for Luck AND the team. Claims the team didn't get hammered too hard. Uhhh...what? He's the highest paid person in the NFL now with historic records in total contract and guaranteed money, and yet they don't think the team didn't get hammered?

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One more thing on Buddy Ryan, whether you hated or liked him, he was GREAT for the NFL. For those of you that are old enough, back then the NFC East was never better. Hands down the best division in the NFL. At one point you had Gibbs, Parcells, Johnson and Ryan. I think the most rewarding wins was the playoff game after the body bag game. Buddy Ryan was running his mouth all week. That game ended his career in Philly with a 20-6 loss. I think Cunningham was benched as well.

But his teams were always kind of dirty, led by Andre Waters. He would send a LB after the kicker on kickoffs. lol.

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What are you gonna do if you're the Colts? Of course you have to pay him. Won't be long before someone else signs an even bigger deal. Just the name of the game.

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[quote=MTK;1144412]What are you gonna do if you're the Colts? Of course you have to pay him. Won't be long before someone else signs an even bigger deal. Just the name of the game.[/quote]


Yeah, but don't act like your team didn't get hammered or got some sort of "friendly" deal. :laughing-

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[QUOTE=MTK;1144412]What are you gonna do if you're the Colts? Of course you have to pay him. Won't be long before someone else signs an even bigger deal. Just the name of the game.[/QUOTE]



Exactly. You dont play games with good young quarterbacks.

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[QUOTE=NC_Skins;1144413]Yeah, but don't act like your team didn't get hammered or got some sort of "friendly" deal. :laughing-[/QUOTE]


In terms of the going rate for a franchise QB and the expected yearly increases in the cap I'd say it's about right.

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I actually don't think the great franchise QBs make enough. We've got a bunch of good QBs making $17M, $18M. Guys like Dalton, Alex Smith, Matt Stafford, Matt Ryan, Phillip Rivers. And then you have Aaron Rodgers making $24M.

The difference of $6M per year is what, a quality starting middle linebacker? Or a quality starting TE in the mold of a Marcedes Lewis? Maybe not even?

I would much, much rather have Aaron Rodgers than Phillip Rivers and whatever $6M in cap space can buy me. I think there's justification for Luck to make $30M+.

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[url=http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/contracts/quarterback/]Quarterback Contracts | Spotrac[/url]

87 mil Guaranteed...basically 22 million more than the next QB on the list. I don't know...foolish imo and the track record for dumb contracts recently in Indy isn't great. The development of that team hasn't been great.

You could have gotten a better...maybe much better...team friendly deal negotiated.

Is he good enough to lead a team to the Super bowl, yes. Is he good enough to lead that that Indy team to a Superbowl...no.

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[quote=Chico23231;1144419][url=http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/contracts/quarterback/]Quarterback Contracts | Spotrac[/url]

87 mil Guaranteed...basically 22 million more than the next QB on the list. I don't know...foolish imo and the track record for dumb contracts recently in Indy isn't great. The development of that team hasn't been great.

You could have gotten a better...maybe much better...team friendly deal negotiated.

Is he good enough to lead a team to the Super bowl, yes. Is he good enough to lead that that Indy team to a Superbowl...no.[/quote]

What makes you say they could have gotten a better, more team friendly deal negotiated? I'm just wondering what fact that's based on.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1144420]What makes you say they could have gotten a better, more team friendly deal negotiated? I'm just wondering what fact that's based on.[/QUOTE]


Rite. Im sure there was some thought put into it. Lol.

What exactly is Lucks situation? In other words could he have signed elsewhere? If yes what team that needs a qb also has that kind of money to throw at him? Just curious.

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[quote=punch it in;1144421]Rite. Im sure there was some thought put into it. Lol.

What exactly is Lucks situation? In other words could he have signed elsewhere? If yes what team that needs a qb also has that kind of money to throw at him? Just curious.[/quote]

Great question, this gets to useful specifics. He was signed through this upcoming season at $16M, but would have been a free agent in 2017.

According to OvertheCap, here is the projected cap room by team in 2017. I bolded the ones that are QB needy:

[B]Buccaneers[/B] 62,557,050 - Winston would not stop you from signing luck
Patriots 62,426,481
[B]Broncos[/B] 59,239,449
Cardinals 56,230,817
[B]Bears[/B] 54,634,333
Steelers 52,367,705
Panthers 48,671,301
[B]49ers[/B] 44,841,486
[B]Browns[/B] 44,673,390
[B]Raiders[/B] 44,387,278
[B]Colts[/B] 42,205,426
Bengals 41,059,865
Titans 40,579,159
Redskins 40,574,496
Lions 39,130,414
[B]Saints[/B] 38,993,067 Brees is also FA in 2017
Seahawks 33,706,790
[B]Bills[/B] 32,486,952
[B]Vikings[/B] 31,849,040
Falcons 31,583,760
[B]Rams[/B] 31,348,342
Chargers 26,836,303
Packers 24,708,254

You don't think John Elway would pay ANYTHING to get Andrew Luck, with that much free space in 2017? Luck held every card in the fucking deck. The Colts were held hostage, they had no choice.

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The Colts could have franchised him, but what's the point of that. You don't need Andrew Luck to prove himself one more time the way we need Cousins to.

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Let's put it this way, it would have taken the sales deal of punch's life to get Luck to agree to take less $ than that.

:laughing-

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1144424]Let's put it this way, it would have taken the sales deal of punch's life to get Luck to agree to take less $ than that.



:laughing-[/QUOTE]



Thanks for the info - looks like he would most certainly have been scooped up. They did the right thing by ensuring he did not.

That sales deal is coming to fruition btw, and turned out to be even bigger than I thought. Dont know if it would put a dent in Lucks paycheck but it should buy me quite a few trips down I95 for some home games. [emoji106][emoji106][emoji106]

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[quote=Schneed10;1144420]What makes you say they could have gotten a better, more team friendly deal negotiated? I'm just wondering what fact that's based on.[/quote]

They aren't negotiating against any other team for his services. For some unknown reason Irsay kept stating he was blow the dome off with the deal...[url]http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/colts-irsay-lucks-shocking-new-deal-will-have-20m-per-year-floor/...I[/url] just don't think this is the best way to get a deal done. I think Luck has potential...but he got serious questions too.
Its not like Indy is so talented they don't need possible space to spend on their own players or other pending free agents. I think Luck and his agent got the best possible deal from the Colts. Good for them.

Plus the facts of the deal...look at deal, going value of relative to other QBs and their deals. Irsay was right, it blew the dome off other QB deal ..that's the best deal they coulda gotten? Good for Luck! Good luck to Indy!

they paid that much for potential too, not necessarily for performance.