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FRPLG 06-28-2007 09:36 AM

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[QUOTE=jdlea;322251]Actually, Obama never agreed[/QUOTE]

What is your point?

jsarno 06-28-2007 08:55 PM

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[QUOTE=dmek25;322158]so, you're right, and 80% of America is wrong?[/QUOTE]

Well, yes and no, but they just don't know any better. 95%+ of Americans are lazy and are easily persuadable. They don't like the fact that we are overseas fighting, (honestly who does?) and the Dems screaming "Bush lied" when it's not true, persuades them to take an even more aggressive stance. Dems cause problems, and offer NO solutions. Sorry if that is offensive.
At no time in history has one group of people agreed with sending troops overseas. There are always those that disagree with it. WW1, WW2 had a lot of people that didn't agree with it, but does that mean that we should have backed out? Absolutely not.
I'm sorry, but the Iraq mission is not done. I would never teach my kids to quit something they started because it got tough, and I appreciate the fact that we (USA) won't finish until the job is done, and we were flat out told that! There is absolutely no point in backing out now when the likely scenario would be that Iraq would fall back into their old ways and that makes all the lives lost all for not. So unless you can guarentee Iraq has changed for the best and won't go back to where they were, then we're not done.

jsarno 06-28-2007 08:58 PM

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Angry, I am very impressed with your posts...I wanted to reply to all of them, but I'd be writing forever, and take up all sorts of posts. You've done a great job.

GusFrerotte 06-29-2007 07:21 PM

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[quote=jsarno;322543]Well, yes and no, but they just don't know any better. 95%+ of Americans are lazy and are easily persuadable. They don't like the fact that we are overseas fighting, (honestly who does?) and the Dems screaming "Bush lied" when it's not true, persuades them to take an even more aggressive stance. Dems cause problems, and offer NO solutions. Sorry if that is offensive.
At no time in history has one group of people agreed with sending troops overseas. There are always those that disagree with it. WW1, WW2 had a lot of people that didn't agree with it, but does that mean that we should have backed out? Absolutely not.
I'm sorry, but the Iraq mission is not done. I would never teach my kids to quit something they started because it got tough, and I appreciate the fact that we (USA) won't finish until the job is done, and we were flat out told that! There is absolutely no point in backing out now when the likely scenario would be that Iraq would fall back into their old ways and that makes all the lives lost all for not. So unless you can guarentee Iraq has changed for the best and won't go back to where they were, then we're not done.[/quote]
Why do we care if Iraq gets better or not? 87% of HS kids can't put it on the globe. Damn 17% can't place the US on the globe. The job will never be done man!!!!!!!! The Iraqis will fight on and on and on to get us out of there. Everywhere we intervene ends up worse off than before we messed with it. It is pretty sad when average Iraqis will look back to the Saddam regime as the "good old days". The war was based on a lie from day one, so why can't we just leave? We left Vietnam and it was a total disaster. Did the world end when the Commies took Saigon in '75? Iraq didn't have anything to do with 9/11 and we were good buddies with Hussein til April Glaspie in the summer of 1990 told Saddam we wouldn't do anything if he used force against the Kuwaitis, who were slant drilling into Iraqi oil fields
Every war this nation has fought since 1898 was based on one big damn lie that got us worked up in a war frenzy.

Spanish Amer War 1898: USS Maine supposedly sabotaged by Spain, but investigation blames design flaw that put gunpowed close to the boiler room. No sabotage, but the incident was enough to start a war before the investigation was even started.

World War I: A dumbass war fought by a bunch of intermarried arisocratic dynasties who were having a big family spat using millions of the little people as pawns. Christian Europe was essentially destroyed because of this stupidity and replaced with facism and communism, setting up the next war as we totally humiliated Germany, who in reality was only just as culpable as starting the whole thing as England, France, or Russia. This made damn sure Hitler would be an attractive candidate when Weimar was failing during the Depression. The lie in this was Wilson making it out to be some damn crusade for democracy, human rights, etc. Yeah it turned out pretty good didn't it.

World War II: Horrible sequel to the first dumbass world war, except that contrary to what he publicly said FDR always wanted it. Read Day of Deceit and New Dealer's War. FDR did everything in his power, even violating Neutrality Laws, to corner both Japan and Germany in a major war. THis is the only war of the lot that can have any degree of justification because of the belligerence of the axis, but our govt's actions didn't help matters either.

Korea: Atchinson excludes S Korea from the US Pacific Defense perimeter, giving the Reds the green light to invade. 3 years later th war ends exactly where it began at the 38th parallel, but with almost 40,000 American troops dead, just because some guy either deliberately, or accidently left S Korea off the table as an American interest.

Vietnam: Gulf of Tonkin incident never happend, but an inexperinced sonar guy thinks his ship is being attacked. Even though the US commander on the spot radioed that it was a false alarm, LBJ used it to get us involved in Vietnam. Yet another lie or misleading statement/non statement, this time over 50,00 US troops lose their lives. Vietnam fell eventually and did not affect US National Security

Gulf War I: Read above about April Glaspie. Saddam was our bulwark against the Islamic Revolution. He shot the crazy bastards, including AL Qaeda. Taking him out just let the crazies loose and now we are in one horrible bind.

Gulf War II: Bush lied about everything. Iraq could be swallowed up into hell and it would effect the US very little, but a ton of no bid private contractors are making a frigging killing off of this, not to mention Blackwater and their mercenary army.


Moral of the story? Maybe we should just worry about our own damn nation for a change and quit intervening in these 3rd world hellholes that do not have any impact either way on US National Security. We have too many problems here at home that need to be addressed. Also if you know you made a mistake are you going to continue making that mistake and letting things get worse? If we stay in Iraq things are only going to get worse. The Iraqis are going to fight forever to get us out of there. It is there country, their homes, their lives. Who are we to interfere in that? IF the Sunnis and Shiites start a civil war, that is their matter isn't it? Does it affect US National Security if Sunnis and Shiites are killing each other 10,000 miles from the US?

jsarno 06-29-2007 07:39 PM

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[QUOTE=GusFrerotte;322789]87% of HS kids can't put it on the globe. Damn 17% can't place the US on the globe. [/quote]

Wow, we have some dumb people in this world...hmmm, but I suppose we should listen to the majority and back out...yet they don't know where Iraq is....hmmmmmmmmmm.

dmek25 06-30-2007 06:11 AM

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[quote=jsarno;322793]Wow, we have some dumb people in this world...hmmm, but I suppose we should listen to the majority and back out...yet they don't know where Iraq is....hmmmmmmmmmm.[/quote]
how long are we supposed to wait until Iraq is ready to govern their own country? 5 years? 10 years? some people want freedom, some do not. its that simple. are the Iraqi people willing to work for it? Saddam Hussein was a bad man. is it the United States job to rid the world of bad people? we have a bad one in Cuba, thats been ruling for 50 years. why not take him out? what about north Korea? Iran? this disaster that President Bush has pulled the U.S. into is nothing more, nothing less. all it did was rile up the middle east to the point that just about everyone over there, with the exception of Israel, has nothing but pure hatred for us. his plan was bad, and the execution of that plan has been worse. its time to pull out, and work on homeland security. i am not a quitter, but i realize when i am wrong, and do what it takes to correct my mistakes. this is the republicans biggest flaw. not willing to concede when they are wrong. and then willing to try and fix their mistakes. and i am neither dumb, nor lazy

jdlea 06-30-2007 08:45 AM

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[QUOTE=FRPLG;322254]What is your point?[/QUOTE]

Just pointing out that not everybody was convinced we needed to invade.

70Chip 06-30-2007 09:32 AM

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[quote=dmek25;322850]how long are we supposed to wait until Iraq is ready to govern their own country? 5 years? 10 years? [/quote]


To borrow a phrase from Adlai Stephenson, "until hell freezes over, if that's what it takes."

FRPLG 06-30-2007 11:39 AM

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[QUOTE=jdlea;322855]Just pointing out that not everybody was convinced we needed to invade.[/QUOTE]

I didn't say that did I?

Sheriff Gonna Getcha 06-30-2007 11:51 AM

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Did anyone catch the interesting debate between the Dem. Prez. candidates at Howard? I found it interesting that they all condemned the Bush administration for unilaterally intervening in Iraq and staying there despite the civil war between rival factions. Then, in response to the next question about Sudan, they all said we should intervene in Darfur even if we have to do it unilaterally (as China would veto any UN resolution authorizing force) in a conflict marred by civil strife between rival factions.

dmek25 06-30-2007 11:55 AM

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[quote=70Chip;322858]To borrow a phrase from Adlai Stephenson, "until hell freezes over, if that's what it takes."[/quote]
mean while, our health care system collapses, no new immigration policy, we go farther and farther into debt, and more and more American jobs get shipped over seas. how about president bush getting OUR house in order, before we play world police. and heres a quote from me, " to hell with Adlai Stevenson"

SmootSmack 06-30-2007 12:53 PM

Re: Let's impeach the president.
 
[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;322881]Did anyone catch the interesting debate between the Dem. Prez. candidates at Howard? I found it interesting that they all condemned the Bush administration for unilaterally intervening in Iraq and staying there despite the civil war between rival factions. Then, in response to the next question about Sudan, they all said we should intervene in Darfur even if we have to do it unilaterally (as China would veto any UN resolution authorizing force) in a conflict marred by civil strife between rival factions.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I thought that was pretty interesting. I'm trying to find a full transcript of the debate

jsarno 06-30-2007 07:25 PM

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[QUOTE=dmek25;322850]some people want freedom, some do not. [/quote]

EVERYONE wants freedom. That is not the wisest of comments. Although, I am assuming the ones that you say "do not", just don't want it from the USA.

[quote]this disaster that President Bush has pulled the U.S. into is nothing more, nothing less. [/quote]

See, this is why your arguments have very little validity, you put too much opinion in, and not enough fact. Practically the entire world agreed to this war, and practically everyone in congress including your buddies, the Dems. If Bush did this alone, I don't understand why everyone (including you) has referred to him as stupid. Anyone that can do that is the most intelligent person on the planet. You can't have it both ways.

[quote] i am not a quitter, but i realize when i am wrong, and do what it takes to correct my mistakes. this is the republicans biggest flaw. not willing to concede when they are wrong. and then willing to try and fix their mistakes. and i am neither dumb, nor lazy[/QUOTE]

That is not the problem here. The problem is not that they realize they are wrong. The problem is more of, they (and by they, I mean you dems too) bit off more than they can chew. You were warned it would take a while to fix this, and it is. Why back out now? There has been a plethera of progress, but you choose to ignore that. That's a shame.
Remember Clinton Portis' first TD with us against Tampa? What if he decided to fall down around Tampa's 30 yard line and be tackled? That is what you are suggesting the country do. Finish what you started.

EARTHQUAKE2689 06-30-2007 07:28 PM

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[quote=jsarno;322930]EVERYONE wants freedom. That is not the wisest of comments. Although, I am assuming the ones that you say "do not", just don't want it from the USA.



See, this is why your arguments have very little validity, you put too much opinion in, and not enough fact. Practically the entire world agreed to this war, and practically everyone in congress including your buddies, the Dems. If Bush did this alone, I don't understand why everyone (including you) has referred to him as stupid. Anyone that can do that is the most intelligent person on the planet. You can't have it both ways.



That is not the problem here. The problem is not that they realize they are wrong. The problem is more of, they (and by they, I mean you dems too) bit off more than they can chew. You were warned it would take a while to fix this, and it is. Why back out now? There has been a plethera of progress, but you choose to ignore that. That's a shame.
[I][B]Remember Clinton Portis' first TD with us against Tampa? What if he decided to fall down around Tampa's 30 yard line and be tackled?[/B][/I] That is what you are suggesting the country do. Finish what you started.[/quote]


If he did that, I would call him a dumbass selfish player and demand he be traded the next day!!!

12thMan 06-30-2007 07:35 PM

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[quote=firstdown;322252]Well we have something we can agree upon and if I'm correct he is the only person running for office that voted against the war.[/quote]

Well, he publicly spoke out against the war. At the time he was a state legislator and not a U.S. Senator, so he didn't actually have a vote. But he is recognized as the only candidate running that publicly denounced the war.

12thMan 06-30-2007 07:38 PM

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;322881]Did anyone catch the interesting debate between the Dem. Prez. candidates at Howard? I found it interesting that they all condemned the Bush administration for unilaterally intervening in Iraq and staying there despite the civil war between rival factions. Then, in response to the next question about Sudan, they all said we should intervene in Darfur even if we have to do it unilaterally (as China would veto any UN resolution authorizing force) in a conflict marred by civil strife between rival factions.[/quote]

I was there. I think that response was interesting, however I think we're dealing with apples and oranges when we talk about Iraq and Dafur; I do get your point though. Question though, do you think we really unilaterally intervened in Iraq?

12thMan 06-30-2007 07:43 PM

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[quote=dmek25;322882]mean while, our health care system collapses, no new immigration policy, we go farther and farther into debt, and more and more American jobs get shipped over seas. how about president bush getting OUR house in order, before we play world police. and heres a quote from me, " to hell with Adlai Stevenson"[/quote]

I think it's too little too late as far as this Administration getting our house in order. Unfortunately, the woes and misteps of this Administration will get passed along to the incoming President; Whomever that will be. I'm thinking the Dems will take the White House.

SmootSmack 06-30-2007 08:00 PM

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[QUOTE=12thMan;322936]I think it's too little too late as far as this Administration getting our house in order. Unfortunately, the woes and misteps of this Administration will get passed along to the incoming President; Whomever that will be. I'm thinking the Dems will take the White House.[/QUOTE]

But you could also argue though that the woes and missteps of Clinton passed down to W, of HW Bush to Clinton, of Reagan to HW Bush...and so on. Couldn't you?

I read a column recently where someone made the interesting point that the majority of people tend to ignore things like the unemployment rate being at its lowest in several years because they can't/won't accept that anything positive has happened under this administration.

What do you think of that?

GusFrerotte 06-30-2007 08:30 PM

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Tell that to us folks in Detroit Smooty,

14% and holding up here in the Big D, and it is almost just as bad in Cleveland. The rust belt is the future of America. The big beef I have with the low unemployment rate, is how many of those jobs are really worth having or in other words a living wage? Most jobs being "created" are still largely service jobs with waitresses, bartenders, store attendants leading the way. The best jobs are being outsourced, shoot even the Feds are outsourcing now. Having a BA or BS and above and being stuck working full time as a waiter/waitress/busboy isn't too cool if you have college loans to pay off. Besides, the perfect economic storm is brewing up for us as a result of disasterous Federal Reserve policies and our ungodly debt. It is not a matter of if, but when when the next great Depression and hyperinflation will take its toll. Bush has spent us into oblvion and now we have to rely on advesaries to keep us afloat by buying up US treasury bonds. Now we have a dumb war, that will cost us probably a trillion $$$$$$ before we get the hell out, if we get out. Don't even get me started on immigration.

SmootSmack 06-30-2007 08:38 PM

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[QUOTE=GusFrerotte;322941]Tell that to us folks in Detroit Smooty,

14% and holding up here in the Big D, and it is almost just as bad in Cleveland. The rust belt is the future of America. The big beef I have with the low unemployment rate, is how many of those jobs are really worth having or in other words a living wage? Most jobs being "created" are still largely service jobs with waitresses, bartenders, store attendants leading the way. The best jobs are being outsourced, shoot even the Feds are outsourcing now. Having a BA or BS and above and being stuck working full time as a waiter/waitress/busboy isn't too cool if you have college loans to pay off. Besides, the perfect economic storm is brewing up for us as a result of disasterous Federal Reserve policies and our ungodly debt. It is not a matter of if, but when when the next great Depression and hyperinflation will take its toll. Bush has spent us into oblvion and now we have to rely on advesaries to keep us afloat by buying up US treasury bonds. Now we have a dumb war, that will cost us probably a trillion $$$$$$ before we get the hell out, if we get out. Don't even get me started on immigration.[/QUOTE]


Fair points. But then are you saying better to be unemployed than to have some semblance of a steady income and be a part of the workforce?

SmootSmack 06-30-2007 08:45 PM

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[QUOTE=12thMan;322934]Well, he publicly spoke out against the war. At the time he was a state legislator and not a U.S. Senator, so he didn't actually have a vote. But he is recognized as the only candidate running that publicly denounced the war.[/QUOTE]

Speaking of Obama, and the title of this thread

[url=http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2007-06-28-obama-impeachment_N.htm?csp=34]Obama: Impeachment is not acceptable - USATODAY.com[/url]

firstdown 07-02-2007 09:03 AM

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[quote=GusFrerotte;322941]Tell that to us folks in Detroit Smooty,

14% and holding up here in the Big D, and it is almost just as bad in Cleveland. The rust belt is the future of America. The big beef I have with the low unemployment rate, is how many of those jobs are really worth having or in other words a living wage? Most jobs being "created" are still largely service jobs with waitresses, bartenders, store attendants leading the way. The best jobs are being outsourced, shoot even the Feds are outsourcing now. Having a BA or BS and above and being stuck working full time as a waiter/waitress/busboy isn't too cool if you have college loans to pay off. Besides, the perfect economic storm is brewing up for us as a result of disasterous Federal Reserve policies and our ungodly debt. It is not a matter of if, but when when the next great Depression and hyperinflation will take its toll. Bush has spent us into oblvion and now we have to rely on advesaries to keep us afloat by buying up US treasury bonds. Now we have a dumb war, that will cost us probably a trillion $$$$$$ before we get the hell out, if we get out. Don't even get me started on immigration.[/quote]
Go around your house and look where the stuff (you purchased) is made. I'll bet most is from overseas but we blame corps. for all the outsourcing when we as Americans have been doing this for years.

dmek25 07-02-2007 03:06 PM

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i contribute the low unemployment rate to people running out of extensions. therefore they are no longer getting help, and fall off the books. instead of looking at the number of people getting assistance, the should count the actual number of people NOT working

firstdown 07-02-2007 03:27 PM

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[quote=dmek25;323605]i contribute the low unemployment rate to people running out of extensions. therefore they are no longer getting help, and fall off the books. instead of looking at the number of people getting assistance, the should count the actual number of people NOT working[/quote]
They tried counting the people not working and the people were to lazy to fill out the paper work if it was not for some type financial aid.

Crazyhorse1 07-03-2007 05:38 PM

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[quote=firstdown;323613]They tried counting the people not working and the people were to lazy to fill out the paper work if it was not for some type financial aid.[/quote]

You're completely right, of course. Poor people who have no jobs or money are just lazy bums for not popping into cabs and going to a government office to fill out forms they don't know exist for no reason.

70Chip 07-03-2007 08:23 PM

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[quote=GusFrerotte;322941]Tell that to us folks in Detroit Smooty,

14% and holding up here in the Big D, and it is almost just as bad in Cleveland. The rust belt is the future of America. The big beef I have with the low unemployment rate, is how many of those jobs are really worth having or in other words a living wage? Most jobs being "created" are still largely service jobs with waitresses, bartenders, store attendants leading the way. The best jobs are being outsourced, shoot even the Feds are outsourcing now. Having a BA or BS and above and being stuck working full time as a waiter/waitress/busboy isn't too cool if you have college loans to pay off. Besides, the perfect economic storm is brewing up for us as a result of disasterous Federal Reserve policies and our ungodly debt. It is not a matter of if, but when when the next great Depression and hyperinflation will take its toll. Bush has spent us into oblvion and now we have to rely on advesaries to keep us afloat by buying up US treasury bonds. Now we have a dumb war, that will cost us probably a trillion $$$$$$ before we get the hell out, if we get out. Don't even get me started on immigration.[/quote]

The future of Detroit is in Detroit. The future of America is in Pheonix and Dallas and Atlanta and Washington D.C. People in the old factory areas have been singing this tune for years. Literally. Allentown came out in 1982. Those days are long gone. It's sink or swim on your own now. Nobody owes anybody anything.

dmek25 07-03-2007 08:27 PM

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whatever happened to all for one and one for all? i don't like the way politics are. its ok to give Exxon million dollar tax breaks, while the gap between the rich and the poor keeps on widening. in our lifetime there will be no more middle class. i take it 70 that you are doing alright. im glad for you

70Chip 07-03-2007 08:50 PM

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[quote=dmek25;324106]whatever happened to all for one and one for all? i don't like the way politics are. its ok to give Exxon million dollar tax breaks, while the gap between the rich and the poor keeps on widening. in our lifetime there will be no more middle class. i take it 70 that you are doing alright. im glad for you[/quote]

Not really. Not really at all. But what I have is mine and mine alone and I'm not naive enough to believe that a poltician is going to make it all better. That was the mistake of those people in New Orleans. They stayed in their houses thinking someone else had the ultimate responsibilty for their well being and that, to me, is a form of insanity. I shiver at the mindset that says "water's rising, better go upstairs. Water's still rising, better get on the roof." The water that killed those people rose at a rate of about one foot an hour. If they had walked two or three miles they would have been fine.

In fairness, this mentality, is not confined to the poor and the dispossessed. On some level, I hope a big meltdown does come, beause a lot of middle and upper middle class suburbanites are going to look equally foolish. There is a frightening lack of stoicism in this country. People have no endurance for anything other than sex and traffic.

saden1 07-03-2007 09:08 PM

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The majority of those who died in NO were [URL="http://www.dhh.louisiana.gov/offices/publications/pubs-145/DECEASED%20Victims%20released_11-14-2005_publication.pdf"]old and sick people[/URL].

jsarno 07-03-2007 10:05 PM

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[QUOTE=saden1;324119]The majority of those who died in NO were [URL="http://www.dhh.louisiana.gov/offices/publications/pubs-145/DECEASED%20Victims%20released_11-14-2005_publication.pdf"]old and sick people[/URL].[/QUOTE]

I think he is also referring to the ones that were saved even though he used the term died. I am still unsure how you can explain the 28% of people that perished between the ages of 16-60.
For as bad as that was, not as many people died that should have. I guess the government really did help out eh?

jsarno 07-03-2007 10:09 PM

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[QUOTE=saden1;324119]The majority of those who died in NO were [URL="http://www.dhh.louisiana.gov/offices/publications/pubs-145/DECEASED%20Victims%20released_11-14-2005_publication.pdf"]old and sick people[/URL].[/QUOTE]

By the way, how can 6 bodies be of unknown sex?

KLHJ2 07-03-2007 10:13 PM

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[quote=jsarno;324132]By the way, how can 6 bodies be of unknown sex?[/quote]

It's Pat![url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nH_NgtblE6Q]YouTube - It's pat[/url]

70Chip 07-03-2007 10:15 PM

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[quote=angryssg;324136]It's Pat![URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nH_NgtblE6Q"]YouTube - It's pat[/URL][/quote]


Ha! Classic.

jsarno 07-03-2007 11:44 PM

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[QUOTE=angryssg;324136]It's Pat![url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nH_NgtblE6Q]YouTube - It's pat[/url][/QUOTE]


LOL...that was seriously what I was thinking...that's scary and funny at the same time.

FRPLG 07-04-2007 12:16 AM

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[QUOTE=dmek25;324106]whatever happened to all for one and one for all?[/QUOTE]
Did this ever really exist?

I know I feel a responsibility to my community and country. I feel it is my job to give back. I just think that using our government as the middle to give back is foolish. Our government, and every other in the history of the world, has shown staggering inefficiency when it comes to distributing funds and services to help the less fortunate. It is an inate quality of government and ultimately I feel that I want to be the one to decide where my money goes to help people.

EARTHQUAKE2689 07-04-2007 01:19 AM

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Why impeach him now. His term is almost up.

dmek25 07-04-2007 07:55 AM

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[quote=FRPLG;324224]Did this ever really exist?

I know I feel a responsibility to my community and country. I feel it is my job to give back. I just think that using our government as the middle to give back is foolish. Our government, and every other in the history of the world, has shown staggering inefficiency when it comes to distributing funds and services to help the less fortunate. It is an inate quality of government and ultimately I feel that I want to be the one to decide where my money goes to help people.[/quote]
i think this mentality always starts at the top. right now this administration is so hell bent on taking care of all the friends/ contributors of their party, they are forgetting about us small guys. in a round about way the government can help without really trying. the 2 biggest issues facing everyday america are health care, and energy(gas). but yet everyone looks the other way on these issues. they are both directly tied to the economy, and inflation

jsarno 07-04-2007 01:06 PM

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[QUOTE=dmek25;324393]i think this mentality always starts at the top. right now this administration is so hell bent on taking care of all the friends/ contributors of their party, they are forgetting about us small guys. in a round about way the government can help without really trying. the 2 biggest issues facing everyday america are health care, and energy(gas). but yet everyone looks the other way on these issues. they are both directly tied to the economy, and inflation[/QUOTE]

I guess they forgot about you when they gave you a tax break????

ps- being the president is not like waving a magic wand and poof things get better. It takes time. While I do feel they have dropped the ball on alternative fuels at this point, e85 has shown up on Bush's watch. Also, no other president in history has alloted more money to alternative fuels than Bush. FYI.
I am very curious as to how you think health care is the governments fault considering it's private business.

dmek25 07-04-2007 01:18 PM

Re: Let's impeach the president.
 
and that tax break gave me enough to go out for dinner, ONE time. i agree it takes time, but Mr Bush is 6 years into it, and what exactly has his agenda accomplished? and i am all for national health care. there is no reason in the world that one doctor charges more then another for the same procedure. as far as the alternative fuel, the closest one to me is about 15 miles. how about taking the tax cuts that the big oil companies are getting, and invest it into the ethanol, solar, and wind powers? and another thing about the tax break. its a retread way to promote your agenda. doesn't do a whole lot to stimulate the economy, and was used by Regan in the late seventies, and did nothing then, either

jsarno 07-04-2007 01:32 PM

Re: Let's impeach the president.
 
[QUOTE=dmek25;324448]and that tax break gave me enough to go out for dinner, ONE time.[/quote]

Wow...$600 is a one time dinner for you...where are you eating?

[quote]and i am all for national health care. [/quote]

I am to that point as well, but this is going to be a huge effort to tackle. Something the current administration has never agreed to get after. Kerry promised it, but has no clue what it actually takes. In fact, I doubt any democratic candidate will run with that either.

[quote]there is no reason in the world that one doctor charges more then another for the same procedure.[/quote]

Why is it when I bought my radar detector one sold it for $225, one sold it for $250 and one sold it for $325? There were several in the middle too. We live in a free country, and those doctors are free to charge what they want. Think of it as a retail store. While I agree it sucks, there is nothing that can be done about it, and to use that as an excuse to dislike the president...well every president in history has failed then cause it's been like this since we became a country.

[quote]as far as the alternative fuel, the closest one to me is about 15 miles. [/quote]
At least there are some...it's heading in the right direction. (albeit slowly)

[quote]how about taking the tax cuts that the big oil companies are getting, and invest it into the ethanol, solar, and wind powers? [/quote]

100% agree. I understand those companies helped Bush win the election, and you don't shun your friends, but we need a bigger effort on alternative fuels. That is the one area I wish I could change about the current administration.

[quote]and another thing about the tax break. its a retread way to promote your agenda. doesn't do a whole lot to stimulate the economy, and was used by Regan in the late seventies, and did nothing then, either[/QUOTE]

Umm, ok, I'm going to point out some issues here. 1- Reagan was the 80's, and his decade was widely regarded as the best economic decade in history. 2- Bush has been in charge as part of the best economy in decades, and best interest rates in history. 3- Bush went through the budget and found wasted money and gave it back to the people. There is no doubt that the next dem. president will raise taxes, and significantly.


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