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its all about the money imo. AH is set to make 3.6, 5.4 and 6 something mil over the next 3 seasons respectively.

all this 3-4 and training talk is just hot air. AH thought he would be headed out of DC by now with 32 mil in his pocket and another team ready to re-sign him to another contract.

he didnt get traded. allen didnt blink. now we are in a rather odd and uncomfortable position. The new coach's initial and limited interaction with AH didnt go well. when AH does show up, i imagine its gonna be weird.

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If you're a reporter with a deadline and there's not much to report.....speculate.....develop scenarios...whatever. This s**t sells. Just look at how many people post excerpts from these articles that are based on nothing but speculation. It seems like this time of year when there isn't much to report, the sports version of National Enquirer journalism comes out in full force.

WTF.....Brett Favre is really an alien who must return to his pod between the months of February and September. That would explain why he misses camp.

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[quote=over the mountain;701787]its all about the money imo. AH is set to make 3.6, 5.4 and 6 something mil over the next 3 seasons respectively.

all this 3-4 and training talk is just hot air. AH thought he would be headed out of DC by now with 32 mil in his pocket and another team ready to re-sign him to another contract.

he didnt get traded. allen didnt blink. now we are in a rather odd and uncomfortable position. The new coach's initial and limited interaction with AH didnt go well. when AH does show up, i imagine its gonna be weird.[/quote]
I don't see it even being that honestly. The guy really wanted to select a team that he'd fit in with (or that would fit in with him) it seems, based on actual reports.

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i know tryful, im out here on my own lil conspiracy island. I saw BHA's ship cruise by, i thought she might head over and drop anchor for awhile but she had other plans.

oh well.

its really not that bad out here once you get used to talking to yourself.

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[quote=tryfuhl;701780]None of the reports have any actual info though. It's just being recycled over and over because there's no other real news.

Instead of a reporter really taking the time to turn the Cushing thing into a story into the dangers of young men falling into the steroids trap (unless I've missed this.. or it's still developing) they're taking the easy way out and just sweeping the shit across the floor without actually dumping it.

So because you haven't read anything indicating that he's currently working out very hard you think that it's very possible that he shows up out of shape? Man it just never ends with you does it?[/quote]

thats not true. there have been several reports which site "unnamed sources close to hanyesworth." now, that's so vague that i understand why some people dismiss each one individually. however, its not like its the same story getting recycled. the THEME of the stories is recycled, but its brought up because there are new reports from these unnamed sources.

[quote=GTripp0012;701777]This is all true (most likely), but it's not like Haynesworth is the only one of the Shanahan-Haynesworth dynamic that has to earn the others' respect. [/quote]

Shanahan doesn't nead to "earn" anyone's respect. His position alone should be enough to warrant respect. When I start a new job, my boss doesnt have to do anything to earn my respect. His position as my superior entitles him or her to respect from the beginning. It should be the same here. Haynesworth is a player. Shanahan is his boss. Respect should be a given. Additionally, its not like Shanahan is some career idiot quarterbacks coach handed a head coaching gig by another idiot. Shanahan's aa proven head coach that has won superbowls. So Haynesworth has all the more reason to respect him instantly.

The fact that Haynesworth is not demonstrating respect to Shanahan by doing what he's asking is just further evidence that Haynesworth is just stubbornly self-centered.

[quote=Ruhskins;701785]Fair points in here. However, what I also see is that [B]this is a topic that has been overhyped by this media[/B]...

[B]I think it be ridiculously stupid for Haynesworth to show up out of shape [/B]and not ready to play. He has been a successful player in the past, and you're right, if he doesn't then his agent and whoever his people are, are not doing their jobs. [B] I still think that Haynesworth has always been painted in a negative light, and that will never go away [/B](see Randy Moss, TO, etc., etc.). No matter what he does, people will always criticize him. And honestly, that's where I think his mistake is, he (or his agent) needs to be aware of this negativity. But also fans need to be aware of this negativity painted by the media, as I said [B]overhyped/exaggerated/negativity sells[/B].[/quote]

I agree with you on all these points, but I would also add that Haynesworth's signing a record-breaking contract makes anything he does newsworthy. If he hadn't stomped on a players face during a game and if he didnt have a history of producing at a higher level when he was in a contract year, then he wouldnt be under so much scrutiny. Because of his "celebrity," hes under more scrutiny than, say, Colt Brennan. if he does show up out of shape, it would be very stupid of him. However, if you look over his career, he's done a number of stupid things, so its not like he's earned the benefit of the doubt.

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If I had to predict, AH won't be here after 2010, and I imagine the departure won't be amicable.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;701802]Shanahan doesn't nead to "earn" anyone's respect. His position alone should be enough to warrant respect. When I start a new job, my boss doesnt have to do anything to earn my respect. His position as my superior entitles him or her to respect from the beginning. It should be the same here. Haynesworth is a player. Shanahan is his boss. Respect should be a given. Additionally, its not like Shanahan is some career idiot quarterbacks coach handed a head coaching gig by another idiot. Shanahan's aa proven head coach that has won superbowls. So Haynesworth has all the more reason to respect him instantly.

The fact that Haynesworth is not demonstrating respect to Shanahan by doing what he's asking is just further evidence that Haynesworth is just stubbornly self-centered.[/quote]Shanahan doesn't have to do anything if he doesn't care about being successful. His position gives him the power to treat his players however the heck he wants.

If he cares about more than just sustaining himself as head coach of this team, he's going to have to do more than just handle business with his superiors. He'll have to command the respect of any player he's counting on to contribute.

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The Sports Radio station here in Houston prefaced a segment this morning by saying, 'Well now is the time of year for the OTA volunteer workouts, [B]and like every year[/B] a player or two from every team skips out and the media and fans blow it way out of proportion. Well today Andre Johnson did not report so get ready for....'
Right on time the articles calling Andre Johnson an agitator, greedy, evil have started. The difference is the local fans here do not care about who misses a volunteer work outs. Where as in DC every working class Joe is up in arms about Haynesworth not reporting because of his contract and that some how in their eyes makes him a mandatory attendee going AWOL. What a joke.

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[quote=GTripp0012;701805]Shanahan doesn't have to do anything if he doesn't care about being successful. His position gives him the power to treat his players however the heck he wants.

[B]If he cares about more than just sustaining himself as head coach of this team, he's going to have to do more than just handle business with his superiors. He'll have to command the respect of any player he's counting on to contribute.[/B][/quote]

I agree and how that starts is stop airing the private businesses of the team in the media. The Redskins really need to take a page form the Patriots operations by keeping all personal team information out of the media. The old practice of a coaches sending his players messages in the press about their play or other team related things is old and outdated. It has to stop. You get better results and the respect from the players if you talk about it with them in private, behind closed doors. Stop trying to humiliate them in the press. That is disrespectful.

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[quote=GTripp0012;701805]Shanahan doesn't have to do anything if he doesn't care about being successful. His position gives him the power to treat his players however the heck he wants.

If he cares about more than just sustaining himself as head coach of this team, he's going to have to do more than just handle business with his superiors. He'll have to command the respect of any player he's counting on to contribute.[/quote]

i'd say by doing exactly what he's doing, Shanahan IS commanding the respect of the team. By standing his ground and not "letting the inmates run the asylum," shanahan is ensuring that the entire team is on the same page. well, the entire team except for one bad apple. If shanahan were to cater to Haynesworth, I imagine that he'd lose the respect of other players and open himself up to more problems in the future. In this situation, there are only two possibilities - Haynesworth gets in line or the team gets rid of Haynesworth. We can't let one bad apple ruin the whole bunch.

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This dead horse has been beaten, raped, and burned at the stake. My lord.

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[quote=GMScud;701804]If I had to predict, AH won't be here after 2010, and I imagine the departure won't be amicable.[/quote]

I didnt know aobut this until 20 minutes ago. This may very well be the most likely scenario for AH and the skins.

[URL]http://http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Why-the-Eagles-had-no-interest-in-Haynesworth.html[/URL]

[B]Cap and cash accounting[/B]
The other reason deals with accounting. The Redskins initially structured the bulk of the bonus money in the contract – $21 million of the $26M total – in the form of an option bonus to keep the cash and cap hit on the deal out of 2009, the last capped year of the Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA) and a year when, as has often been the case, the Redskins were snug against the cap.
Now that the Redskins got through 2009 into uncapped 2010, they used their contractually negotiated supersede right to turn the option into signing bonus.
[B]And as part of the renegotiation, the Redskins added a clause allowing Haynesworth to void the contract after next season and walk away, having pocketed over $24M from the team in two years.[/B]
[B]Haynesworth can now void the remaining years of the deal after 2010 if – and only if – he returns four-fifths of the $21M he is now receiving, or $16.8M.[/B] Of course, he’ll only do that if he finds a team willing to pay him more than that a year from now, which would require some serious tampering discussions. He likely will not have the money to void it anyway since it may be spent by this time next year.
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Under my conspiracy theory that AH wants a new contract with a new team; if he really wants it, he can have it.

So he gets paid 24 mil for 2 seasons with the skins. Not a bad pay day and he can go on to sign with another team.

Do we get a comp pick if AH voids the contract after this year and signs with another team?

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Hi guys this is my first post here on this site... Here's my 2 cents on Fat Albert - All I know is he better come to next month's mandatory camp in GREAT shape, not like the out of shape lard he was last year. He is going to hear it and I'm glad guys like Phillip Daniels and Mike Williams are piping up and not standing by idly. That is the problem though it was start causing division at some point and they may be better of trading him for a 2nd and 4th. I just am not sure what's the best thing to do I think it's a delimma. That Fat Albert Dilemma is what it is.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;701811]i'd say by doing exactly what he's doing, Shanahan IS commanding the respect of the team. By standing his ground and not "letting the inmates run the asylum," shanahan is ensuring that the entire team is on the same page. well, the entire team except for one bad apple. If shanahan were to cater to Haynesworth, I imagine that he'd lose the respect of other players and open himself up to more problems in the future. In this situation, there are only two possibilities - Haynesworth gets in line or the team gets rid of Haynesworth. We can't let one bad apple ruin the whole bunch.[/quote]By and large, you're right. I don't think there's a meaningful rift between Shanny, and any defensive player who has been kept on the roster.

I think it's safe to say that if he was here last year, we never sign Haynesworth/Hall. I don't really know too much more than that, as not feeling a player is worth $48 million in guaranteed money is different than thinking that he has to shape up if he ever wants to see the field on your watch. The distinction is critical.

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I'll say that if I ran the Redskins, I wouldn't have been in on the Haynesworth sweepstakes at all. I wasn't against his signing, and I actually think we got a pretty good contract, all things considered, but we didn't have a need there, and signing a 28 year old DT is ultimately counterproductive towards the goal of cultivating young talent. The last thing this team needs is to be reliant on a $50 million player approaching 30 who is piling up quite the injury history.

Of course, film shows that he's utterly unblockable against the run, and has rare pass rushing skills to boot, so it's not like there's a defensive coach in the league that can't find a spot on a defense for Haynesworth. You just can't build around him.

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I know JLC doesn't have a sterling reputation around here, but I wouldn't be quick to dismiss his reporting on the Haynesworth situation.

Whatever the case may or may not be, all these reports can't be wrong.

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Welcome to THE WARPATH, it's voluntary should he be here YES i'll take him for his word he's working out with his own trainer. If AH shows up to camp out of shape don't trade him just let him ride the pine, i don't beleive he will show up out of shape but IF.

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[quote=GTripp0012;701825][B]I'll say that if I ran the Redskins, I wouldn't have been in on the Haynesworth sweepstakes at all.[/B] I wasn't against his signing, and I actually think we got a pretty good contract, all things considered, but we didn't have a need there, and signing a 28 year old DT is ultimately counterproductive towards the goal of cultivating young talent. The last thing this team needs is to be reliant on a $50 million player approaching 30 who is piling up quite the injury history.

Of course, film shows that he's utterly unblockable against the run, and has rare pass rushing skills to boot, so it's not like there's a defensive coach in the league that can't find a spot on a defense for Haynesworth. You just can't build around him.[/quote]

Safe to say Allen/Shanahan wouldn't have been either, but it's their mess to clean up now.

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[quote=12thMan;701828]I know JLC doesn't have a sterling reputation around here, but I wouldn't be quick to dismiss his reporting on the Haynesworth situation.

Whatever the case may or may not be, all these reports can't be wrong.[/quote]
I don't think they are "wrong" per se, but instead a seed of truth has been fertilized with a WHOLE LOTTA manure.

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A good piece from Matt Williamson (a Scouts Inc guy) in looking at the Redskins without Haynesworth from a football standpoint.

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/14178/the-big-question-replacing-haynesworth]The Big Question: Replacing Haynesworth - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/url]

I still don't understand why would fans want AH out of here.

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Ya know - work is annoying. I am listening to Sirius NFL network, Adam Scheffter comes on, I hear the whole interview, and as soon as he is asked about the AH situation, a guy walks in from the plant with a question and the phone rings with order confirmations. So I miss the AH questions completely. Aaaargh.

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[quote=GTripp0012;701825]I'll say that if I ran the Redskins, I wouldn't have been in on the Haynesworth sweepstakes at all. I wasn't against his signing, and I actually think we got a pretty good contract, all things considered, but we didn't have a need there, and [B]signing a 28 year old DT is ultimately counterproductive towards the goal of cultivating young talent. The last thing this team needs is to be reliant on a $50 million player approaching 30 who is piling up quite the injury history.[/B]

Of course, film shows that he's utterly unblockable against the run, and has rare pass rushing skills to boot, so it's not like there's a defensive coach in the league that can't find a spot on a defense for Haynesworth. [B]You just can't build around him.[/B][/quote]

Disagree (emphatically). If Albert wants to be the best in history at DT, as he says, he'll play at a high level for another 5 or 6 years at least; therefor being one of if not the most dominant defensive players in the game. That's plenty to build around. In fact good common sense might suggest having a player like Albert on your roster (already) is like a gift from the Almighty.

That Allen/Shanny/Haslett decided to take the defense in a completely different direction...that's the real issue, not Albert. Maybe their plan works out. But history, one might say, is not on their side. Shanny has always struggled to keep his defensive unit on track, and Haslett has struggled to build up his defense. I hope they get it right this time...

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[quote=The Goat;701969][B]That Allen/Shanny/Haslett decided to take the defense in a completely different direction...that's the real issue, not Albert.[/B] Maybe their plan works out. But history, one might say, is not on their side. Shanny has always struggled to keep his defensive unit on track, and Haslett has struggled to build up his defense. I hope they get it right this time...[/quote]

Sadly, this gets lost on all the overhype and AH hating. To me personally, switching to the 3-4 created more needs on defense, to a team that already had a ton of needs on offense, some needs on defense, and did not have many resources in the draft. While I'm not going to make the argument that the previous defense we had was a good one, I think things would have been easier if we stayed in the 4-3.

Defensive Ends: Orakpo at full time DE, Andre Carter (who had a very good season last year), an up and coming Jarmon, and good depth with Daniels, Wilson, and Alexander would have been great in the 4-3. Instead, with the 3-4 a lot of these guys are being switched to LBs to learn a new position, we are putting Carter to a position where he wasn't too successful in the past, and counting old 3-4 DEs like Daniels and Holliday. And the best guy that would fit as a 3-4 DE is being considered more as a NT. Orakpo is the only one that wins out of this bunch.

Defensive Tackles: We wouldn't be dealing with this Haynesworth mess right now, and we could have brought other DTs to replace Griffin. Instead with the 3-4 we opened a huge need in the NT, and want to waste a dominant, upfield pass rusher with the cumbersome job of a NT. Oh and his back up is a guy coming off a pretty bad injury, and a whole bunch journeymen.

LBs: This was probably the greatest area of need in our old defense, and would have been a need this season in a 4-3 defense. But at least we would have had a MLB in Fletch, and Rocky as a OLB (and we could have picked up our other OLB in the draft and/or free safety). On our 3-4 defense, we have a whole bunch of converted DEs as OLBs, Fletch may be too small to play ILB, and we are counting on a rookie to possibly be our other ILB. And we have yet to bring in any LBs with 3-4 experience. As I've said before, the only winner here is Orakpo.

Free Safety: A need on either defense that I feel the FO is not even thinking about.

So there you have it. I wish Shanahan had left the defense alone, improve it with players, but keep it the way it is. Now I feel we go into the season with question marks in both sides of the ball. I know there has been good change in the way this team is run, but I just don't see the need to make such a huge change in defense. Someone said in the past that Shanahan will make a bonehead move every now and then (i.e. Clarett) and I feel this may be his.

As any good fan, I truly hope the defense works out, but my gut feeling tells me that is going to be a tough year in that side of the ball.

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My biggest concern with the defense is switching Lorenzo Alexander to Jeremy Jarmon to LB (and Andre Carter), those could pan out but it's a bit of a risk at this point

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Was listening to Raven's radio last night and they had a bunch of guys out of OTA's Ray Lewis included. Jim H. was like wish they were here but he was going to move forward with who he had there. It made me feel like AH not being here is really not that big of a deal.

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[quote=Defensewins;701808]I agree and how that starts is stop airing the private businesses of the team in the media. The Redskins really need to take a page form the Patriots operations by keeping all personal team information out of the media. The old practice of a coaches sending his players messages in the press about their play or other team related things is old and outdated. It has to stop. You get better results and the respect from the players if you talk about it with them in private, behind closed doors. Stop trying to humiliate them in the press. That is disrespectful.[/quote]

How have the Redskins handled this wrong publicly??

Other than "we're disappointed he's not here", what has anyone from the organization said that would be humilating or disrespectful to AH??

I'm really at a loss in regard to your take.

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[quote=SmootSmack;702008]My biggest concern with the defense is switching Lorenzo Alexander to Jeremy Jarmon to LB (and Andre Carter), those could pan out but it's a bit of a risk at this point[/quote]

I think Jarmon was a steal for us, I hope he's used to the best of his ability. I'd hate to see his talent and our good fortune wasted. Hopefully he takes well to his new position, which could very well happen, or the coaches adjust and find a way to get the most out of his talent.

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[quote=Mattyk;702057]How have the Redskins handled this wrong publicly??

[B]Other than "we're disappointed he's not here", what has anyone from the organization said that would be humilating or disrespectful to AH??[/B]

I'm really at a loss in regard to your take.[/quote]

That is the problem. Tell the player directly you are disappointed in him but don't do it through the press. It is not professional. The Redskins and certain other teams should not air the dirty laundry in the press. What exactly to do you gain by telling the press? Makes the coach look good? Look at the new tough guy coach....he is so great.
Let the employee/employer information get out on its own. Don't get on a press stage and podium and state it to the entire world. Employees will respond better to that kind of respect and treatment. This applies to the players as well, they should not be going to the press to complain about internal team issues. Keep it in house.

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"Dirty Laundry"? I find the truth more revealing than conjecture. There was no he said, she said. It was to the point. You want the truth? You can't handle the truth!

"We've got a good coach and all that stuff. Whatever they ask me to do, that's what I'm gonna do. I'm not gonna be a distraction or anything. I'm just gonna do what they ask me to do." - AH


Enough said!

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[quote=Defensewins;702079]That is the problem. Tell the player directly you are disappointed in him but don't do it through the press. It is not professional. The Redskins and certain other teams should not air the dirty laundry in the press. What exactly to do you gain by telling the press? Makes the coach look good? Look at the new tough guy coach....he is so great.
Let the employee/employer information get out on its own. Don't get on a press stage and podium and state it to the entire world. Employees will respond better to that kind of respect and treatment. This applies to the players as well, they should not be going to the press to complain about internal team issues. Keep it in house.[/quote]

I'm just not seeing where you're coming from. Their public statements have been kept to a minimum and I really don't see how they've embarrassed or humiliated AH at all by saying they're disappointed he's not there. If you ask me they could have handled this A LOT worse.

Anytime Allen or Shanhan are asked about it, they give a pretty generic response. He's not here, we wish he was, but we've had good talks with him, he'll be here for the mandatory stuff, etc.

I would be willing to bet the discussions behind closed doors haven't been as good natured.

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[quote=Ruhskins;701845]A good piece from Matt Williamson (a Scouts Inc guy) in looking at the Redskins without Haynesworth from a football standpoint.

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/14178/the-big-question-replacing-haynesworth]The Big Question: Replacing Haynesworth - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/url]

[B]I still don't understand why would fans want AH out of here[/B].[/quote]

I can't speak for everyone, but if I beleived that Haynesworth was motivated to do everything possible to be the best player possible in this new scheme and would give 100% to doing whatever the coaches asked him to do, there's no way i'd even consider getting rid of him. He's just to dominant when he wants to be. However, a number of factors make me believe that we won't be getting much effort from Haynesworth and he'll be a problem child as long as he's here. If we can get good value for him, we should trade him. If not, we just have to hope he decides at some point to commit 100% to his new role.

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Yes, I believe that AH is selfish. I also believe that anyone who thinks we should dump him is making a big mistake.

It is much more important to me that he is a great football player than it is that he is, IMO, a poor teammate. Not since we had Dave Butz have we had anyone close to AH in his ability to stuff the run. Plus, he can get after the QB, too. The guy is a beast. Our team is much better with him than it would be without him.

IMO, there is no way that we could get anywhere near a fair return if he were to be traded. So, trading him is out of the question.

It wasn't my intent to suggest that, once he arrives, he won't put out a good effort and make a significant contribution to the team. I think he will. I just don't like his "me first" attitude and his inflexibility in regard to attending the minicamps.

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This is what I don't understand, I know on defense each person has a specific job, ie; DT/NT is supposed to take on blockers and fill gaps on run plays. What I don't get is although he might be used as a NT does he really think he would not be trying to go after the QB? It would be his job to collapse the pocket while the DE's were circling around forcing the QB to step up. I'd almost imagine he might even get more tackles, sacks and forced fumbles vs. the DE's. Plus if we stuck him at DE and the QB rolls out it's not like he would be able to keep up with the QB anyway... he's too big.

but, in any event, I really don't give 2 cents that he's not here. It's voluntary. I can remember growing up and maybe only 10 player out of 80 would show up for voluntary work outs. The rest were enjoying their vacation. No one threw a fit. The funny part is its like seeing a person driving down the 65mph highway at 65 mph and everyone else is doing 75-80mph and their mad at the driver going the speed limit. AH is doing what he is allowed to do. He is doing what the NFLPA fought for way back when, when the players didn't want the owners keeping them at the facility year around. Until the agreement changes no one can fault AH for doing what he is allowed to do.

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[quote=SmootSmack;702008]My biggest concern with the defense is switching Lorenzo Alexander to Jeremy Jarmon to LB (and Andre Carter), those could pan out but it's a bit of a risk at this point[/quote]
yep.. I like Lorenzo but I don't know about him at LB.. Jarmon might be alright but will probably take some time..

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;702093]I can't speak for everyone, but if I beleived that Haynesworth was motivated to do everything possible to be the best player possible in this new scheme and would give 100% to doing whatever the coaches asked him to do, there's no way i'd even consider getting rid of him. He's just to dominant when he wants to be. However, a number of factors make me believe that we won't be getting much effort from Haynesworth and he'll be a problem child as long as he's here. If we can get good value for him, we should trade him. If not, we just have to hope he decides at some point to commit 100% to his new role.[/quote]
I love your insight. You'll probably replace Smoot as the insider eventually.

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[quote=SBXVII;702098]This is what I don't understand, I know on defense each person has a specific job, ie; DT/NT is supposed to take on blockers and fill gaps on run plays. What I don't get is although he might be used as a NT does he really think he would not be trying to go after the QB? It would be his job to collapse the pocket while the DE's were circling around forcing the QB to step up. I'd almost imagine he might even get more tackles, sacks and forced fumbles vs. the DE's. [B]Plus if we stuck him at DE and the QB rolls out it's not like he would be able to keep up with the QB anyway... he's too big[/B].

but, in any event, I really don't give 2 cents that he's not here. It's voluntary. I can remember growing up and maybe only 10 player out of 80 would show up for voluntary work outs. The rest were enjoying their vacation. No one threw a fit. The funny part is its like seeing a person driving down the 65mph highway at 65 mph and everyone else is doing 75-80mph and their mad at the driver going the speed limit. AH is doing what he is allowed to do. He is doing what the NFLPA fought for way back when, when the players didn't want the owners keeping them at the facility year around. Until the agreement changes no one can fault AH for doing what he is allowed to do.[/quote]

He played a lot of DE last year on 3rd downs. He might be big but he can probably still run down most QBs.

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[quote=Mattyk;702141]He played a lot of DE last year on 3rd downs. He might be big but he can probably still run down most QBs.[/quote]
Yeah, I was about to say, he can run down a QB scanning the field

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[quote=Mattyk;702086]I'm just not seeing where you're coming from. Their public statements have been kept to a [B]minimum [/B]and I really don't see how they've embarrassed or humiliated AH at all by saying they're disappointed he's not there. If you ask me they could have handled this A LOT worse.

Anytime Allen or Shanhan are asked about it, they give a pretty generic response. He's not here, we wish he was, but we've had good talks with him, he'll be here for the mandatory stuff, etc.

I would be willing to bet the discussions behind closed doors haven't been as good natured.[/quote]

We can agree to disagree, I am not trying to make a big big deal out of this.
It is not so much about AH and this particular situation, it is more about the yearly ritual of certain coaches bitching in the press about players not attending voluntary events. Either it is voluntary or it is mandatory. You can not have it both ways.
Talk about potentially creating a hostile work environment. The NFL and NFLPA really need to visit this issue.
All I know is if my boss made a statement to the press and used the word disappointed when talking about me and attending a voluntary work event, I would not be happy about it and I would not respect for my boss for doing it in such a public way.

Re: Haynesworth is Behaving Selfishly
 

[quote=Defensewins;702162]We can agree to disagree, I am not trying to make a big big deal out of this.
It is not so much about AH and this particular situation, it is more about the yearly ritual of certain coaches bitching in the press about players not attending voluntary events. Either it is voluntary or it is mandatory. You can not have it both ways.
Talk about potentially creating a hostile work environment. The NFL and NFLPA really need to visit this issue.
All I know is if my boss made a statement to the press and used the word disappointed when talking about me and attending a voluntary work event, I would not be happy about it and I would not respect for my boss for doing it in such a public way.[/quote]

I agree the voluntary vs. mandatory thing creates sticky situations, but on the flipside if I'm AH and I just raked in $40M from my employer and 99% of my teammates are working hard at Redskins Park, voluntary or not it might be a good idea to play the good soldier routine and show up... out of respect for your employer and teammates.

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Hey, where are the two dudes that wanted to start the "Leave Danny Boy" banner, or whatever it was called.

They could start a "I hate Haynesworth" banner:)