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I would like to have seen him in a Skins uniform for the remainder of the season...but this isn't some major disaster that we didn't sign him. Think some people are going off the deep end here

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A few things I alluded to earlier...

1) Moss probably commands some sort of leverage towards sitting out if he doesn't like the team. I can see him not wanting to deal with the, "Shanahan Factor" for lack of a better term (maybe Cardiovascular Factor?). He probably sent out a message to all the teams that will attempt to sign him. If I don't like you, I'm going to talk about how much I love Tom Brady and how much I had your coach.

2) This probably wasn't a good fit for the organization. Part of it has to do with Randy Moss' mental state. It doesn't mesh well with this team. Yeah, I've heard the "Not in our long term plan" argument... but neither is Joey Galloway (or Santana for that matter). He is a potential short term disaster, and that carries over to the credibility of the coach. Just look how stupid Childress looks right now. You think he's coaching the Vikings next year?

3) Who cares about a late round 5th round pick. It's not worth anything... lets just move along...and suck it up. It's not the end of the world, it's not the death of society.... nor is it the end of this season. Pretty much nothing has changed. In fact... Nothing has changed.

4) Yeah, I too entertained the idea of McNabb to Moss plural. It's fun to think about... but so is Jessica Alba. I'll go back to thinking about the latter.

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Yeah who needs Randy Moss , we have Roydell Williams and Joey Galloway

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[quote=SmootSmack;756085]I would like to have seen him in a Skins uniform for the remainder of the season...but this isn't some major disaster that we didn't sign him. Think some people are going off the deep end here[/quote]

They conveniently forgot about Shanahan wanting guys who give their all. Moss would refuse no matter how much nagging he receives. Bad blood is not good for the locker room and is a REAL distraction.

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[quote=SmootSmack;756085]I would like to have seen him in a Skins uniform for the remainder of the season...but this isn't some major disaster that we didn't sign him. [B]Think some people are going off the deep end here[/B][/quote]

The season is over!!! Why isn't Cerrato here making knee-jerk free agent acquisitions anymore?!?! Shanahan and Allen obviously don't know what they're doing!!! We should've given up X amount of draft picks to acquire a WR on the downward trek of his career!!! This team is doomed!!! Ugh I'm going to weep, get high and drink PBR. Peace bitches.

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Not only did we NOT improve our offense or give Mcnabb a true #1 WR target,we allowed the Titans to be better and improve.

We also play the Titans in 3 weeks on the road. And we haven't really played very well against 6'4" or big receivers in case you haven't noticed. (see Calvin Johnson and Andre Johnson)

I didn't criticize Shanny for cutting B.Banks and starting him immediately
I didn't criticize him for the Fat Albert fiasco all off season
and i didn't even criticize him on pulling Mcnabb (yea,I think I'm the only one...lol)

But this is just absolutely and monumentally freakin' retarded Shanny...

You were willing to trade for moss with new England before the Vikings traded a 3rd rounder for him. (we were offering less) as reported by many sources.

But you wouldn't claim him off waivers for free,block the Titans and give the offense 2 weeks to work him in the system for a Playoff run.

Not to mention give Mcnabb a true weapon for when he adlibs on throwing the deep ball.

Shanny..I can officially say..you're a freaking moron and you're FIRED!!

Oh..and you'll tryout "coke head" Matt Jones,but pass on perhaps the 2nd greatest WR to ever lace them up.

Yea,lets stick to Galloway and Roydell

Well guys...it was a nice run,while it lasted.
One thing is for sure....you won't have to worry about me posting 3 game look a head Threads.

Shanny is using this season to put his stamp on the team....Playoffs are obviously not what he is after in his tenured season.

Our FO is obviously clueless and flabbergasted from all the D.C. media stories.
They can't handle it.

Tme to hire Russ Grimm and fire this stupid POS.

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[quote=skinsnut;756058][B]Bad analogy...as Rims don't make the car go faster (and score TD's) like Randy Moss.[/B]

I get it...our Oline sucks....but we cant improve that midyear...but we are given a gift to pair up with McNabb and we pass it up because of "behavior?"

C'mon...Haynesworth should have been playing all year...but because Shanny can't manage anything but 100% compliance, he is benched...you have an all star WR with a big mouth....outside of Santana...your wide recievers basically suck...except one up and comer...perhaps...and you walk away?
That is totally nuts!
If he hasn't pissed off McNabb enough, this week...he may have just slammed the nail in the coffin...

So not only do we have issues at oline, we still have WR....probably will have a major issue at QB....and that is just the offense...oh yeah...also RB, at least we have TE covered...lets wait until Shanny pisses of Cooley...that would be amazing.[/quote]
Not really because without a good ol RM is useless just like the fancy rims.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;756071]Shanny and R. Moss would probably be butting heads every damn week. Shanahan wants to see 100% effort from his guys. Moss never gives that kind of effort.

I'm still not sure myself which side to take, but that's probably Shanahan's perspective.[/quote]

Shanahan said Monday that he would consider Moss, which is more than the outright "we're not going in that direction" response he gave to Ed Werder and others when asked about TO before the season. I heard Schlereth talking last week about Childress's credibility issues, and he brought up (as he does frequently) how Shanahan created his own credibility problem in Denver when he let Steve Atwater go after the '98 season and signed Dale Carter, who lacked some respect around the league. Given the example he tried to make of AH this year, I'm guessing he considered that he risked going down the same path if he signed Moss, especially in light of the fact this is a week in which his judgment has been a tiny bit of an issue.

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[quote=BringBackJoeT;756104]Shanahan said Monday that he would consider Moss, which is more than the outright "we're not going in that direction" response he gave to Ed Werder and others when asked about TO before the season. I heard Schlereth talking last week about Childress's credibility issues, and he brought up (as he does frequently) how Shanahan created his own credibility problem in Denver when he let Steve Atwater go after the '98 season and signed Dale Carter, who lacked some respect around the league. Given the example he tried to make of AH this year, I'm guessing he considered that he risked going down the same path if he signed Moss, especially in light of the fact this is a week in which his judgment has been a tiny bit of an issue.[/quote]

You saw how Moss takes plays off. The media reports regarding AH after the Bears game had Shanahan proud of AH because he gave 100% effort. Taking plays off means not giving 100% effort, and Shanahan hates players like those. If Devin Thomas

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;756105]You saw how Moss takes plays off. The media reports regarding AH after the Bears game had Shanahan proud of AH because he gave 100% effort. Taking plays off means not giving 100% effort, and Shanahan hates players like those. If Devin Thomas[/quote]

I'm not disagreeing with you. Randy Moss is not a Shanahan-type guy, no doubt about that, and that is probably the main reason why he passed on him. But I was just suggesting that he may have had in the back of his mind one of the more notable instances in his career when he went a little bit off his own beaten path, and the response he apparently experienced in the locker room. It's possible, but it's still just my conjecture. He and Bruce may have simply decided that it wasn't a good football decision. I would have liked to see Randy Moss here, but I'm okay with the decision to take a pass, regardless of the reason.

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[quote=SmootSmack;756085]I would like to have seen him in a Skins uniform for the remainder of the season...but this isn't some major disaster that we didn't sign him. Think some people are going off the deep end here[/quote]

Agree, I mean how many of these type of moves do we make before we learn it's not as good as it looks, Deion Sanders, Stubblefield, Wilkinson, Jason Taylor, Bruce Smith, AH, McNabb, and so on... I'm sure you all could add to this list. But remember how excited you were and then how disappointed?

Don't sweat this one.

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Did the Redskins really need a 3rd drama? Don't we have enough already? You guys want the Redskins to become Dallas East? I'm glad they didn't go after him, now they should promote Austin from the PS.

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You guys above can pretend if you want,that we made the right move and hopefully we did.

But lets hope we aren't discussing this again when we lose to the titans 31-17 and Moss has 6 catches for 158 yards and 2 TD's cause we can't cover him.
OK?

I think it was a 'terrible" football decision,to not claim moss.

Now,the titans will be getting a compensatory pick as well,when they decide to let Moss walk next season and probably net a 3rd rounder or so...

Something,we also need. Draft picks to build this team.

This wasn't a bad move...this was a very stupid..STUPID decision,to not claim him off waivers. imo

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[quote=aceinthehouse;756112]You guys above can pretend if you want,that we made the right move and hopefully we did.

But lets hope we aren't discussing this again when we lose to the titans 31-17 and Moss has 6 catches for 158 yards and 2 TD's cause we can't cover him.
OK?

I think it was a 'terrible" football decision,to not claim moss.

Now,the titans will be getting a compensatory pick as well,when they decide to let Moss walk next season and probably net a 3rd rounder or so...

Something,we also need. Draft picks to build this team.

This wasn't a bad move...this was a very stupid..STUPID decision,to not claim him off waivers. imo[/quote]

We are probably gonna loss 37-17 with or without Moss in a Titan uniform. With that said, I hear ya bro... But there are so many things that happen in and off season that to speculate the future by any move is null.

The fact still stands that we need a O-line. And before we can use someone like Moss we need to address this. Moss may have improved us slightly but McNabb still has no time to hit him.

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[quote=44ever;756114]We are probably gonna loss 37-17 with or without Moss in a Titan uniform. With that said, I hear ya bro... But there are so many things that happen in and off season that to speculate the future by any move is null.

The fact still stands that we need a O-line. And before we can use someone like Moss we need to address this. Moss may have improved us slightly but McNabb still has no time to hit him.[/quote]

I'm ok that the Skins didn't pick him up. Although it would've been fun, the o-line should be the focus of the front office. I'm not sure more distractions are necessary this season at Redskins Park.

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[quote=aceinthehouse;756112]You guys above can pretend if you want,that we made the right move and hopefully we did.

But lets hope we aren't discussing this again when we lose to the titans 31-17 and Moss has 6 catches for 158 yards and 2 TD's cause we can't cover him.
OK?

I think it was a 'terrible" football decision,to not claim moss.

Now,the titans will be getting a compensatory pick as well,when they decide to let Moss walk next season and probably net a 3rd rounder or so...

Something,we also need. Draft picks to build this team.

This wasn't a bad move...this was a very stupid..STUPID decision,to not claim him off waivers. imo[/quote]

Do you think Beathard or Gibbs would have picked him up? I don't think so. Vince Jackson, Braylon Edwards and possibly Randy Moss will be available next year.

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Just another example of the new consistency. If you don't fit, you don't come here. If you come here, and don't fit, you don't stay (or ride the bench).

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One teams trash is another teams treasure........ Goodness knows we have had our share of thinking this way here in DC

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If anyone can explain post #368...

And for those who keep clamoring that we would get a 3rd round pick for him, re-read this

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/756082-post358.html[/url]

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RobH, your Galloway isn't in our long term plans either point is a great one. I'm sorry it's buried in a sea of idiocy

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;756116]I'm ok that the Skins didn't pick him up. Although it would've been fun, the o-line should be the focus of the front office. I'm not sure more distractions are necessary this season at Redskins Park.[/quote]

I lobbied to pick him up, but would he have fixed all our problems? no.

I will say this for those OL, OL, OL fans out there.... if there was a OL worth his weight in gold or could come in and help this team don't you think Shanahan would be bringing them in? He brought in WR's, CB's, and DE's. Notta one OL. That screams volumes. There's also the issue of even if they hired a new OL he would have to sit on the practice squad till he learned the blocking scheme, but if he can't go on the PS then he's taking up a roster spot sitting on the bench till he learns where to block when. He wouldn't be seeing the field until Shanahan was satisfied he knew his assignment.

So even though the player might be better then Hicks, Heyer, and Lickenstien (?) he would be of no use or help sitting on the bench. So can we keep the OL, OL, OL chants to a minimum since we are not likely to see a new one until the offseason. I think the rest of us were just thinking if you can't upgrade one position it doesn't mean you can't upgrade other positions of need.

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Can't believe so many people wanted to claim this guy. Shanny and Allen are trying to change the culture at Redskins park. They are trying to weed out guys like Moss not bring in more of them.

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[quote=SmootSmack;756130]If anyone can explain post #368...[/quote]

I think he is saying he doesn't know a good team when he sees one. Just guessing though.

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Dear lord! Isn't this the same "We need a team run by Football People" crowd bitching about Vinny & Dan constantly chasing stars.

Hey aceinthehouse & crew, how many Superbowls have you won? Why don't we give the guy who has won a couple more than 8 games before we decide he's a complete idiot.

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[quote=SmootSmack;756130]If anyone can explain post #368...

And for those who keep clamoring that we would get a 3rd round pick for him, re-read this

[URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/756082-post358.html[/URL][/quote]

I think Shannihan cut Ace out of his will......

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[quote=JoeRedskin;756136]Dear lord! Isn't this the same "We need a team run by Football People" crowd bitching about Vinny & Dan constantly chasing stars.

Hey aceinthehouse & crew, how many Superbowls have you won? Why don't we give the guy who has won a couple more than 8 games before we decide he's a complete idiot.[/quote]

It's just more........efficient to do it now! Facts won't change anything

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[quote=Hog1;756137]I think Shannihan cut Ace out of his will......[/quote]

Ha! Probably. Funny how just a few weeks ago we were guaranteed to go 14-2, and now we need to get rid of Shanahan asap. Yet we didn't have Randy Moss when the 14-2 predictions were flying our way

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[quote=SmootSmack;756139]Ha! Probably. Funny how just a few weeks ago we were guaranteed to go 14-2, and now we need to get rid of Shanahan asap. Yet we didn't have Randy Moss when the 14-2 predictions were flying our way[/quote]

He probably thought we would get Vincent Jackson. LOL.

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[quote=SmootSmack;756139]Ha! Probably. Funny how just a few weeks ago we were guaranteed to go 14-2, and now we need to get rid of Shanahan asap. Yet we didn't have Randy Moss when the 14-2 predictions were flying our way[/quote]

But he knows football. He's a perfect analyst...

....for BleacherReport.

:FIREdevil

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[quote=aceinthehouse;756112]You guys above can pretend if you want,that we made the right move and hopefully we did.

But lets hope we aren't discussing this again when we lose to the titans 31-17 and Moss has 6 catches for 158 yards and 2 TD's cause we can't cover him.
OK?

I think it was a 'terrible" football decision,to not claim moss.

Now,the titans will be getting a compensatory pick as well,when they decide to let Moss walk next season and probably net a 3rd rounder or so...

Something,we also need. Draft picks to build this team.

This wasn't a bad move...this was a very stupid..STUPID decision,to not claim him off waivers. imo[/quote]

but you know football, right? I mean, this team is going 14-2 this year.... Oh wait...

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ace is pissed so lets bring out the "aceinthehouse predicts Skins to go 14-2 crowd,so lets dump on him"...

If it makes you guys feel better..ok

I had already weighed the risks and rewards of picking up Moss.
The risks were minimal imo..and the rewards were huge and this is why I'm so upset.

I would not have been upset had dallas,Rams or the Bills or someone in front of us on the claims list,had got him and we didn't. We had no control over that...I understand that.

I also understand we had to pick up the 3.3+ million or whtever it is for 8 games as well.
I even also understand that Moss's contract with new england..then minny..then whoever claimed him...had a "NO franchise TAG" in his contract.

So we would had to let him go or give him a new contract outright...something we probably would not want to do. OK...

Of course,that's assuming there's any football at all next season from the labor Lockout...OK

So lets look at the [B]RISKS and REWARDS[/B] for claiming Randy Moss...OK?

[B]Risks:[/B]
[B]#1)[/B]There's the chance that Moss spouts off to the media again or causes a problem inside the locker room and forces us to release him thus...leaving us on the hook for the 3.3 million salary for the rest of this uncapped season. OK..?
[B]#2)[/B]There's the chance that Moss plays half ass or doesn't give his 100% on field, thus alienating guys on the team who are working their butt off. OK?
[B]#3)[/B]We will have to release a player from the team to claim Randy Moss. Probably a WR like Roydell Williams or the 38 year old old Joey Galloway to stay with the 53 man roster. OK?
#4)He will have a little less than 2 weeks to learn a West Coast Kyle Shanahan playbook,that requires not only effort,but good precision routes. Something Moss is capable of,but not always inclined to do,unless he knows he's getting the ball. OK?

[B]These are probably the biggest 4 things,that I believe were on most people's minds of being a risk in having Randy Moss on this football team.[/B]

[B]Rewards:[/B]
[B]#1)[/B]Moss is a sure HOFer...a proven commodity...a 1st ballot. Some believe the 2nd greatest WR behind jerry rice and he has the NFL records to back up those claims. He's had an amazing career.. He's a proven commodity and not some "flash in the pan" type of player. OK?
[B]#2)[/B]Moss is widely considered by the NFL as a pretty good run blocker. Probably mostly do to his 6'4" 210 lb frame and less about his effort. OK? But this is one of those things that "I" know..that some may not or don't recognize off hand.
[B]#3)[/B]Despite his favorite "9 route" or fade or streak he likes to run,he also is good over the middle as well. He runs the slant very well and provides a big frame for the QB to hit.
[B]#4)[/B]Probably the best "over the top" wr ever in the game. He made Revis island his Bxxxx early in the year with that 1-handed grab,but this is something he's done his whole career. The only player I [B]EVER[/B] saw stop him 1-on-1 in a true battle for the ball over the top,was our very own and late..Sean Taylor. Simply put..you can't cover him 1-on-1 on the long ball,if the ball is reasonably on the mark. You just can't.
[B]#5)[/B]Moss is so scary...that he actually makes the other players look good. Did you see how Percy Harvin exploded when Moss came aboard? You have to roll your coverage over to his side...he opens up the middle of the field for the TE and he allows more running lanes because there's more focus on his deep ball and he requires a D-coord. to respect that. Yes,even at 33 years old.
Just the addition of Moss alone,would have taken pressure off of Santana Moss,Armstrong,Cooley and anyone else running patterns to get open or for 1-on-1 coverage against a LB or to our advantage. Because Moss alone,forces the Defense hands in covering him. He also takes that 6th,7th or 8th man out of the box in stopping the run,into coverage and for successful running plays.
[B]#6)[/B]Moss is a TD scoring machine. He can turn the game around on 1 throw and can do it at any time,when he's on the field. He also has very good hands and rarely drops the ball. His concentration on catching it..(when the effort is there) is remarkable.
[B]#7)[/B]Having Moss in our final 8 games,could have really allowed our offense to stretch the field. It would have opened things up for Mcnabb as well as our running game. Yea,our o-line can't block,but maybe we could have ran quick screens or slants to Moss with his big frame. All of our players are fairly little guys...He would have allowed us to create mismatches on the field in his talent alone. We made not have been an explosive juggernaut with Moss,but we definately could have used his talent alone in creating mismatches and to take a little pressure off of mcnabb in having a big target as well as little moss and other players.
[B]#8)[/B]Even though we would most likely had him for only 8 games and he would be gone,there's always the possibility of him building a friendship here in that time and wanting to stay for another year. This would also have allowed us to focus on other areas of need in next years draft. Specially considering we no longer have a 3rd or 4th rounder to use. There's also the chance that had we let him go somewhere else,where he got a different contract,that we would have got some compensation for his loss. As high as a 3rd rounder and as low as a 7th rounder..depending on his new contract and circumstances. So that part is awesome.
[B]#9)[/B]..And last..he would have helped in making a playoff push in these final 8 tough games. But not just that...He would be a nice addition in the playoffs as well with his experience and big play ability. The last time Mcnabb had a HOF type of WR..they were in the SB,so I guess anything is possible. Yet,Mcnabb and Moss don't have that Mcnabb and TO history either...It would be fresh..

So you guys can make fun of me.."aceinthehouse" and the guy who predicted a 14-2 season,if it makes you feel cool or better...

But I'm saying this was a mistake and we should have claimed this guy for the reward imo outweighing the risk.

So not only are we still asking ourselves questions on the direction of this team from the Shanny/Mcnabb fiasco last Sunday and the Locker room..(go figure..lol)

But now we have to face an already tough Titans team in 3 weeks who are very good and have beat the other 3 NFC east teams already. Now we face them with Randy Moss. And we haven't been that great in stopping these kind of Players...in case you haven't noticed?

So call me an idiot or a fool or whatever....but i'll take my 21 years of football experience and 7 years of coaching experience over any of the Warpath wanna be warlords on here who know better on any subject and call me out to be some fool because I thought we would go 14-2 with the new roster and coaching staff we had,before the season was even underway from hope of many bad seasons.

I'm telling you..I know my football..and this was a bad decision.
I hope it doesn't come back to bite us in the ass.
We may very well,need that titans game for a 9th win to make the Playoffs and 1 non decision could in reality affect the course of time when Moss lights our ass up for 200 yards receiving and 3 TD's. (when he should be on our team)

We had the claim ahead of them @ #15...
This was a stupid low risk-high reward NON-move by Shanny
and he failed..

Lets [B]HOPE[/B] he's the coach ,we all [B]HOPE[/B] he is!! Or was...

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SmootSmack has repeatedly referenced his own post telling all of us that Moss would not fetch us anything more than a 5th round compensatory pick.

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Ace you're going off the deep end

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Ace you have also seem to have forgoten that ...Randy Moss....takes playes off and only plays when he wants , wasn't it against the Skins some years ago ...he just walked off the field becuase the game was "over"???

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Ace are you onky going to refer to yourself in the 3rd person now??

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Yes,I'm losing my mind.

It's like knowing you got screwed,but not being able to do anything about it.
Which is what happened today...

Hopefully,i'm wrong and we go on to win 9 or 10 games and make the Playoffs...
But with the redskins luck...
Well..you guys know the story

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;756148]SmootSmack has repeatedly referenced his own post telling all of us that Moss would not fetch us anything more than a 5th round compensatory pick.[/quote]

Here's another link on that

[url=http://www.patriots.com/news/index.cfm?ac=generalnewsdetail&pid=45012&pcid=41&rss=1]Ask PFW: Moss trade fallout[/url]