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Like I said arguments to be made on both sides. I just need to figure out which guy im picking up in fantasy? (NOT!)

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We'll all get to see how good they are soon enough.

30gut, do you think RGIII will do better in Cleveland with lesser talent around him than he did here?

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1141752]...30gut, do you think RGIII will do better in Cleveland with lesser talent around him than he did here?[/quote]Better then 2014? Yes.
Better then 2013?Maybe
Better then 2012? Naw (is that what the kids say?)

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[quote=30gut;1141766]Better then 2014? Yes.
Better then 2013?Maybe
Better then 2012? Naw (is that what the kids say?)[/quote]

See a pattern there?

Really curious what type of offense they will run.

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[QUOTE=DYoungJelly;1141775]See a pattern there?



Really curious what type of offense they will run.[/QUOTE]



The ole downward spiral. Such a shame. Cannot imagine it will reverse tracks ever again but especially not in Cleveland. Understand why Griff would go there, its one of the only places I can imagine he will get a chance to prove himself again.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1141775]See a pattern there?.[/quote]Lol, nope. Just an unavoidable downward spiral unrelated to injury, scheme change or organizational cohesion. Amiright?

No need to worry about scheme because kid can't play and he's an egomaniac...right?

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[QUOTE=30gut;1141777]Lol, nope. Just an unavoidable downward spiral unrelated to injury, scheme change or organizational cohesion. Amiright?



No need to worry about scheme because kid can't play and he's an egomaniac...right?[/QUOTE]



I hope you are rite 30-gut. I hope he gets a chance and is the second best qb in the league behind captain kirk. I really do. To me he just failed the eye test miserably his last few chances. I personally never had a problem with his attitude. Do not understand why he is called a diva. Whatever though. Only thing that matters is can he play quarterback. He isnt my family member or friend so i dont care about the rest. Only time will tell. Personally i dont think he ever becomes a good qb in any system on any team again. That is based solely on what i saw on the field.

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I want to agree with what you post, but you include some bizarre and to me quite obviously inaccurate statements. Failed the eye test last few chances? Like the Eagles win? Its strange to me how Griffin has come to be defined by the worst games of his career rather then his play during the majority of his.

Anyhow can we finally move on from Griffin.

We just signed Greg Toler who grades out poor by PFF’S ranking which means DY should consider him one of the best CBs in the league!

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[QUOTE=30gut;1141780]I want to agree with what you post, but you include some bizarre and to me quite obviously inaccurate statements. Failed the eye test last few chances? Like the Eagles win? Its strange to me how Griffin has come to be defined by the worst games of his career rather then his play during the majority of his.



Anyhow can we finally move on from Griffin.



We just signed Greg Toler who grades out poor by PFF’S ranking which means DY should consider him one of the best CBs in the league![/QUOTE]



When I say last few times out I mean as a whole. Yes that Eagles game was nice but that was a true team effort. Griff wasnt exactly setting the world on fire. I also cannot wipe that Lions preseason game from my memory. It was just God Awful. Preseason or not.
Anyhoot yes we can move on and I really do hope he becomes the SECOND BEST quarterback in the league. Though i doubt it.

Edit: but because I have a bad habit of not being able to let things go....
16-23 223 yards 9.6 avg. probably high due to rac. 1 int. 0 td's. 2 sacks.
Yeah that eagles game. That eye test. I may have been at a great Christmas party n thrilled to be ruining the eagles season - aka in all my Redskins glory (probably the highlight of that miserable season) but it did not cloud my ability to assess what I was seeing from my still hopefully future qb at the time. It wasnt a great game by any means.

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Comparing RGIII and Manziel is kinda retarded. RGIII has a rookie of the year trophy and a division title under his belt. Manziel hasn't done jack shit and he doesn't even have a job right now.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1141786]Comparing RGIII and Manziel is kinda retarded. RGIII has a rookie of the year trophy and a division title under his belt. Manziel hasn't done jack shit and he doesn't even have a job right now.[/QUOTE]



Im not comparing their careers. Obviously Griffs rookie season is far and away better than anything Manziel has ever done. Im comparing only their last group of starts.

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Manziel obviously needs off the field help. Griff is the more stable of the two by a country mile. That is why one is employed and the other is not. They are both young and were promising at one point. Im simply saying that as far as play goes I would take a look at manziel first. Him doing what he did on a worse team is greater than griff doing what he did in 2014 on the skins imo.

Edit: again though i wish griff the best and am glad neither of them is going to be my starting qb this year!

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[quote=MTK;1141786]Comparing RGIII and Manziel is kinda retarded. RGIII has a rookie of the year trophy and a division title under his belt. Manziel hasn't done jack shit and he doesn't even have a job right now.[/quote]

Please just kill this thread now.

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1141787]Im not comparing their careers. Obviously Griffs rookie season is far and away better than anything Manziel has ever done. Im comparing only their last group of starts.[/QUOTE]



Either way it's a useless argument. Manziel has probably partied his way out of the league at this point. Nobody is going to touch him until he gets straight.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1141791]Either way it's a useless argument. Manziel has probably partied his way out of the league at this point. Nobody is going to touch him until he gets straight.[/QUOTE]



And he probably wont. Total tool.
Think about how much more champagne he could have had if he just kept his head on straight for a few years!

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Latest Manziel update:

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/15198881/agent-drew-rosenhaus-terminates-contract-johnny-manziel-reconsider-qb-gets-treatment]Agent Drew Rosenhaus terminates contract with Johnny Manziel, will reconsider if QB gets treatment[/url]

If this is how it ends, I don't feel sorry for him at all.

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F Manziel, so tired of this bum getting press for being a moron.

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[quote=mooby;1141800]Latest Manziel update:

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/15198881/agent-drew-rosenhaus-terminates-contract-johnny-manziel-reconsider-qb-gets-treatment]Agent Drew Rosenhaus terminates contract with Johnny Manziel, will reconsider if QB gets treatment[/url]

If this is how it ends, I don't feel sorry for him at all.[/quote]

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cbw3c6uW0AE5xUW.jpg[/IMG]

I dont think Manziel's demons are as deep as delonte's but its a slippery ride manziel is on.

partying gets old manziel, pull your head out your ass.

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[quote=MTK;1141813]F Manziel, so tired of this bum getting press for being a moron.[/quote]

TMZ has a team dedicated to this effing guy. seriously...they follow him around.

he's a fuckin Kardashian. FUCK Johnny Football

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1141817]TMZ has a team dedicated to this effing guy. seriously...they follow him around.



he's a fuckin Kardashian. FUCK Johnny Football[/QUOTE]



Well he is a heisman trophy winning qb who is tossing his career away. Its kind of interesting. The kardashians are just ho bags who never did anything. Id rather see him on tv than those idiots.

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[quote=30gut;1141780]We just signed Greg Toler who grades out poor by PFF’S ranking which means DY should consider him one of the best CBs in the league![/quote]

Reyes was the worst DL last year according to PFF, and now we sign Toler.

Obviously, McLovin let his PFF subscription lapse.

What other explanation is there?

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1141835]Reyes was the worst DL last year according to PFF, and now we sign Toler.

Obviously, McLovin let his PFF subscription lapse.

What other explanation is there?[/quote]

:laughing2

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1141835]Reyes was the worst DL last year according to PFF, and now we sign Toler.

Obviously, McLovin let his PFF subscription lapse.

What other explanation is there?[/quote]Sure fire all pro talents! Or maybe...just maybe Scott recognizes them for the journeyman they are and is willing to gamble on good character; worth bringing to camp and seeing if they can return to their highest level of play....on the cheap.

Either that or can't miss all pros, amiright?

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1141835]Reyes was the worst DL last year according to PFF, and now we sign Toler.

Obviously, McLovin let his PFF subscription lapse.

What other explanation is there?[/quote]

they are going to coach them up

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Proof that PFF is trash

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[quote=MTK;1141844]Proof that PFF is trash[/quote]Scott's grade can't be that far off from PFF trash considering Greg Toler all-pro signed for vet minimum compensation.

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Josh Norman an unrestricted free agent after Panthers rescind tag per multiple Twitter sources.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1141990]Josh Norman an unrestricted free agent after Panthers rescind tag per multiple Twitter sources.

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Some crazy shit going on the past week. This off-season has been entertaining. I really don't get why they rescinded the tag though. Even if you can't work out a long term deal, you at least have him for this year. I hate it for the team that's going to dump a shit ton of money in virtually an unknown commodity.

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[QUOTE=NC_Skins;1141994]Some crazy shit going on the past week. This off-season has been entertaining. I really don't get why they rescinded the tag though. Even if you can't work out a long term deal, you at least have him for this year. I hate it for the team that's going to dump a shit ton of money in virtually an unknown commodity.[/QUOTE]
They basically gave up on getting any compensation or having him on a 1-year rental. I think (and hope) that teams like Oakland or the Jags are going to get him. I think the Bucs have a lot of cap space.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1141990]Josh Norman an unrestricted free agent after Panthers rescind tag per multiple Twitter sources.

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Skull Head Jones will sign him to a bizillion a year.

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The Panthers rescind the franchise tag for CB Josh Norman, immediately making him a free agent. The #49ers have $52.6 million in cap space.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1142005]The Panthers rescind the franchise tag for CB Josh Norman, immediately making him a free agent. The #49ers have $52.6 million in cap space.[/quote]

He can go there and lose. And lose bad. He seems like the type that will go into full bitch mode when San Fran has double digit loses next year.

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[quote=Chico23231;1142009]He can go there and lose. And lose bad. He seems like the type that will go into full bitch mode when San Fran has double digit loses next year.[/quote]

He wants the $$$ to him that's important than winning, otherwise he stays with Carolina.

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When a SB team flat out cuts its top corner, there is something else going on.

Guy could be a multi-set-for-life-millionaire on a consistent winner or a make a couple extra million on a perennial loser. Whatever dude. I choose rich and winning over a little bit richer and losing.

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maybe there's some off the field stuff, like how we moved on from champ bailey. still weird that they couldn't at least get a trade or something though.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1142012]When a SB team flat out cuts its top corner, there is something else going on.

Guy could be a multi-set-for-life-millionaire on a consistent winner or a make a couple extra million on a perennial loser. Whatever dude. I choose rich and winning over a little bit richer and losing.[/quote]

I got oodles of problems with this line of thinking.

First, just because the team who cuts a player thinks something is going on, doesn't mean there's a problem with bringing the player on board. The Eagles thought DeSean Jackson was somehow into the gang life, at least that's what they leaked to the papers. Maybe he was, maybe he wasn't. Or maybe he was just a pain in Kelly's ass. Either way, he hasn't been a problem for us.

Second, it's not a black-and-white, either-or choice between taking less on a consistent winner like Carolina or taking a couple extra million on a perennial loser. Why couldn't it be that he gets the money he's seeking on a team that's close? Or at least currently competitive? Don't assume San Fran is his ultimate destination.

There are a few positions in the NFL where if you have a premium player, he's practically invaluable. Lockdown cover corner is one of them. You don't just find these guys on the street, they almost NEVER make it to free agency. You either need to draft them high and hope it works out, or get butt ass lucky like with Sherman and Norman in the middle rounds. Carolina has made an immense mistake here. Cam Newton is not so good that he can make up for a solid-but-not-great defense. Somebody will pick up Norman and reap unbelievable rewards. I hope it's us, but I don't like our chances given current cap situation.

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The count is up to 10 teams that have contacted cornerback Josh Norman's representation, according to a league source. Several wanted the 2015 Pro Bowl selection to visit today, but so far no visits are scheduled. Among the teams interested in Norman, who became an unrestricted free agent on Wednesday when the Panthers rescinded the franchise tag, are San Francisco, Tampa Bay and Pittsburgh.

If Pittsburgh gets him, watch the fuck out. That defense elevates and I put them as Super Bowl favorites.

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Edit.

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That's how we do, SCOT!!! GET HIM!

[url=http://www.redskins.com/news-and-events/article-1/Report-Redskins-Expressing-Interest-In-Josh-Norman/1c7b0fef-bd10-43f6-9a89-dda9a38acb48]Report: Redskins 'Expressing Interest' In Josh Norman[/url]

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Cut Andre Roberts if cap room is needed, just get it done!