Trent Williams ends season-long holdout, rejoins Redskins
 

He’s a greedy son of a bitch. Despite missing significant time due to injury and suspension for repeated violations of the leagues (ridiculous) substance abuse policy, we rewarded him by making him the highest paid offensive lineman in league history. It was a front-loaded contract, and Trent did not complain about that at the time. No, he waited until there were two years left on the deal, when it was no longer front-loaded, when he was making less due to the salary cap rising as he knew it would when he signed it, to demand a new contract or a trade. Last year he used bruce Allen and the medical staff to try and make it appear like he was the victim. What’s his excuse now?

Extending Trent Williams would be like forgiving your wife after she cheated on you, lied to all her friends and made you out to be an abusive drunk so they blamed you for your marriage problems , and then taking her back and telling yourself it will all be different now.

No matter what new contract we gave him now, as soon as the cap goes up, other players start getting paid more, and the guaranteed money is gone, Trent is going to do the same thing again.

Let him be someone else’s problem.


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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1245478]I have a gut feeling that RR will not let this stalemate drag on much longer because it's in the way of setting a new, positive tone for the team. Go or stay, I'm OK either way. Just get it done quickly and move forward.[/quote]

Haste would make waste here, with the draft coming up Trent's trade value is pretty low. The time to trade him would have been last year to a contender who needed a left tackle. The best move is to call him on his demands and just let him sit into the season again and wait.

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I agree let him stew. Someone might come with a pre-draft trade offer if they don't think they can fill their need in the draft but more likely post draft when they have missed out. And if no offer comes in, consider whether it's worth a new contract or not then. I don't see RR caving in to either demand lightly and not before the draft.

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Just another reminder how bad Bruce and Dan effed this up last year. Make no mistake, Snyder bears alot responsibility as well.

We could be sitting here with another 1st or 2nd with other picks. We lost leverage as well

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[quote=Chico23231;1245493]Just another reminder how bad Bruce and Dan effed this up last year. Make no mistake, Snyder bears alot responsibility as well.

We could be sitting here with another 1st or 2nd with other picks. We lost leverage as well[/quote]

More than one contender could have used a left tackle right before the trading deadline. I believe the Patriots were one of them. I was shocked when last year's trading deadline past without Trent being moved. Maybe Allen feared getting fleeced by the Patriots.

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[quote=Chico23231;1245493]Just another reminder how bad Bruce and Dan effed this up last year. Make no mistake, Snyder bears alot responsibility as well.

[B]We could be sitting here with another 1st or 2nd with other picks. We lost leverage as well[/B][/quote]

Yep.. At this point, I would try to come up with a new 2-3 year contract with a good amount of guaranteed money for Williams, or try to trade him for early 2nd round pick if Williams refuse to accept the new offer. There's no point in holding onto Williams if he refuse to play.

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i rather keep TW then RK. If its Haskins or Tua in 2020 they are going need protection.

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[quote=GridIron26;1245502]Yep.. At this point, I would try to come up with a new 2-3 year contract with a good amount of guaranteed money for Williams, or try to trade him for early 2nd round pick if Williams refuse to accept the new offer. There's no point in holding onto Williams if he refuse to play.[/quote]

Sheehan this morning played the quotes from Kyle Smith and Riverboat Ron from the combine comparing and contrasting how each talked about Kerrigan and Trent Williams

Kerrigan:

From RR: "we love RK, he is in the plans for Redskin in 2019. Saw and spoke to him the other day"

Silverblunt Cancer Dome:

RR: "we had a good conversation, we have some details to go over" WHEN pressed by media about details being money: "we have some details to work out"

Kyle Smith: the very-Bruce like "he is under contract and we expect him to be report"


This is far from over...my question is what is Dan saying to these 2. Cause I wouldn't be surprised if Snyder is still pissed.

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[QUOTE=mredskins;1245503]i rather keep TW then RK. If its Haskins or Tua in 2020 they are going need protection.[/QUOTE]



We protected our QB just fine last year without TW.... with a journeyman player who was paid a fraction of the cost Trent will demand. And this player didn’t miss a single game while Trent hasn’t played a full season since 2013.

The moral of this story: Trent Williams is not the only option to okay LT for us. We can get very good (and more durable) players at a fraction of the cost.


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There have always only been 2 options with this situation, Redskins just need to chose one and move on.

1. Extend him.

2. Trade him.

Im fine with either ... but make a decision and move on already.

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[quote=Chico23231;1245493]Just another reminder how bad Bruce and Dan effed this up last year. Make no mistake, Snyder bears alot responsibility as well.

We could be sitting here with another 1st or 2nd with other picks. We lost leverage as well[/quote]

If Allen had not effed things up, he'd be here again. So I'm just letting it go.

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[QUOTE=SunnySide;1245506]There have always only been 2 options with this situation, Redskins just need to chose one and move on.



1. Extend him.



2. Trade him.



Im fine with either ... but make a decision and move on already.[/QUOTE]I agree. This is a stumbling block left over from BA. The longer it goes, the more it can fester. Hopefully RR is doing some talking at the combine and seeing what level of interest other teams have and makes a decision soon.

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JP Finlay on Sheehan on podcast...from sources...Trent contract demands are and I quote "staggering". North of 20 million per year and wants to be highest paid by a lot.

Finlay saying Skins will not be doing that. JP Says trade more likely than not coming

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20 million per year? Yeah right. Bye.

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[quote=Chico23231;1245523]JP Finlay on Sheehan on podcast...from sources...Trent contract demands are and I quote "staggering". North of 20 million per year and wants to be highest paid by a lot.

Finlay saying Skins will not be doing that. JP Says trade more likely than not coming[/quote]

If I were the Skins Id offer him 2M a year. When his agent gets all red faced and huffy ... Id tell him me asking for 2M is just as ridiculous as you asking for 20M. This isnt going to be a "meet in the middle" game where you start unreasonably high at 20, I start at 12 and we "meet" at 16.

Problem - any trade value will be greatly diminished bc the new team will have to sign TW to a LTD and that doesnt sound appetizing. Why would you trade a 2R for the honor of having to make a 31-32 year old the highest paid LT?

Solution - give him permission to seek a trade, have his agent get the best deals he can. If the skins dont at least get a 3rd ... let him sit a year and collect the hopeful 3R comp pick.

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I don't understand how Williams could have been traded last year or even now with that asking price.

I agree with SunnySide, let his agent do the work and find the best trade deal. I just highly doubt anyone is going to pay him QB money.

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[quote=Chico23231;1245523]JP Finlay on Sheehan on podcast...from sources...Trent contract demands are and I quote "staggering". North of 20 million per year and wants to be highest paid by a lot.

Finlay saying Skins will not be doing that. JP Says trade more likely than not coming[/quote]

I wonder if it's just an asking price as the agent and Williams probably already knew any team would not meet that offer but would be willing to something close to 20 such as 18m per year or something? As of right now, Lane Johnson - a RT for Eagles is highest paid tackle in NFL with average of 18m per year (according to sportrac.com). So I'm guessing that's where Williams and his agent got the numbers from.

Williams obviously knows his football career will end soon so he wants to cash in as much as he can get.

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[quote=Chico23231;1245493]Just another reminder how bad Bruce and Dan effed this up last year. Make no mistake, Snyder bears alot responsibility as well.

We could be sitting here with another 1st or 2nd with other picks. We lost leverage as well[/quote]

This.. it was just the absolute worst way to handle a disgruntled player. Get him out of your building, get your picks and move on.

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[quote=GridIron26;1245529]I wonder if it's just an asking price as the agent and Williams probably already knew any team would not meet that offer but would be willing to something close to 20 such as 18m per year or something? As of right now, Lane Johnson - a RT for Eagles is highest paid tackle in NFL with average of 18m per year (according to sportrac.com). So I'm guessing that's where Williams and his agent got the numbers from.

Williams obviously knows his football career will end soon so he wants to cash in as much as he can get.[/quote]

Also Trent team trying to make up for the 12 million he missed out on. You know negotiating is about coming out and firing high...but this seems a bit much.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1245482]Haste would make waste here, with the draft coming up Trent's trade value is pretty low. The time to trade him would have been last year to a contender who needed a left tackle. The best move is to call him on his demands and just let him sit into the season again and wait.[/quote]

You're probably right about that. I didn't think about letting him sit at home. I just wouldn't want him to be around the other players at this point. Still, I'd want to see him traded prior to the draft so we could snag some more draft capital.

Heck, the truth is I don't have any idea what to do with this problem. Just make it go away, Ron. I'm sick of this soap opera.

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[quote=Chico23231;1245532]Also Trent team trying to make up for the 12 million he missed out on. You know negotiating is about coming out and firing high...but this seems a bit much.[/quote]

Trent Williams doesn't have a snowball's chance of getting anything he wants from the Skins, least of all to make up the $12M he lost.

I think the idea of letting Trent and his agent try to find a deal might work but what do I know?

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1245534]Trent Williams doesn't have a snowball's chance of getting anything he wants from the Skins, least of all to make up the $12M he lost.

I think the idea of letting Trent and his agent try to find a deal is a good one.[/quote]

I agree, give him until the draft to make his own trade that the Redskins agree to. If he cannot he will not be traded and expected to honor the current contract or lose millions more.

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No one is going to trade for Trent if he’s demanding north of $20M per year.


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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1245538]No one is going to trade for Trent if he’s demanding north of $20M per year.


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Sure they will because when Trent's agent talks to other teams he and Trent will soon discover that no team is going to pay Trent anything close to that ridiculous number.

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Trade him and Dunbar to Jacksonville where they can reunite with JG, maybe the Rams could be interested also.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1245538]No one is going to trade for Trent if he’s demanding north of $20M per year.


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Yup...I think that’s the charge it will take to be a redskin. Hence “I’ll never be a Skin again”....he may go somewhere else for 15 mill per.

No team is paying him 20 mil, but that’s the cost to us

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[QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;1245538]No one is going to trade for Trent if he’s demanding north of $20M per year.


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Agreed. He doesn’t care about the Redskins - he just wants to cash out at the end of his career. I thought he would come back for the next two years with a reasonable contract with the guaranteed money he wanted.

The maddening thing is Bruce could have traded him for a first rounder AND MORE if he had managed this trade in a reasonable manner last summer. Instead he totally blew this trade, like so many other things.

It looks like we will trade Trent for a second rounder and maybe something in the 2021 draft. $20 mill is just a crazy number to ask for at this point in his career. This would make him this highest paid OT in the NFL. At 32. When he hasn’t finished a full season in how many years? I’m disappointed in how this turned out.

If Trent keeps asking for this insane salary number, the team will move quickly on from him with a trade. They don’t want this to distract the team. They’re going to probably use the second rounder for an OT to replace Trent.


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If true that 20 mil number is absolute insanity for a guy like him.

If we come away from this with a draft pick that's less than what we should've gotten you can chalk it up to one last parting failure of Bruce Allen.

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Trent isn't getting $20M a year from anybody, but if he did more power to him.

I always laugh at how bent people get over contract talk. It's called negotiating. Both sides start out far apart and work towards a deal in the middle. If a number gets your panties in a bunch you're in the wrong business.

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Trent isn't getting 20M from the skins lol, he may get 12-14 but at his age I wouldn't bank on it

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[QUOTE=MTK;1245555]Trent isn't getting $20M a year from anybody, but if he did more power to him.



I always laugh at how bent people get over contract talk. It's called negotiating. Both sides start out far apart and work towards a deal in the middle. If a number gets your panties in a bunch you're in the wrong business.[/QUOTE]



I think every football player should get whatever they can money-wise for their services. They have to live later with permanent physical injuries and more significantly with the CEP effects of concussions. The average career length in the NFL is 4 years. “Not For Long” = NFL.

I was hoping the Redskins could resign Trent. And maybe they will when he finds out what the real market is for him in the NFL. Obviously he wants to be the highest paid OT in the NFL. If the Redskins really try to keep Scherff - he will cost at the top of the OG salaries. Scherff is 28 and in his prime.

If the Redskins have to choose between resigning Trent Williams at the top salary versus Scherff at the top salary, they’ll trade Trent. They can’t hire both players at peak contracts.




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[quote=MTK;1245555]Trent isn't getting $20M a year from anybody, but if he did more power to him.

I always laugh at how bent people get over contract talk. It's called negotiating. Both sides start out far apart and work towards a deal in the middle. If a number gets your panties in a bunch you're in the wrong business.[/quote]

I could understand that if he was negotiating in good faith. But he was one of like 2, maybe 3, NFL players in the last decade+ to actually sit out the entire year last year acting like it was all about the environment, Bruce Allen, the diagnosis, etc. while keeping the contract situation on the DL and acting like that wasn't his main priority. So we fixed everything he had a problem with, and instead of him meeting us halfway and tweaking his contract to guarantee a little more money he's now "I need a new deal." FOH. Where were you last year when we needed you protecting our rookie qb's blindside? My patience only goes so deep. He burnt us last year for his own reasons (which I agreed he made very valid points with) but now he's still not willing to come back? There's a lot of give-and-take in this shit, and so far he's not giving shit.

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According to the Redskins, NO ONE has shown an interest in trading for Trent Williams. Maybe after the draft. Trent may want $20 mill a season. But he will only get what the market will bear. He’s got things going against him: he’s 32 and on the downside of his career. Teams may question about his physical condition or his motivation. Kyle Smith also said he should play his contract. So, Trent may ask to be the top-paid OT, but I doubt he will get it.


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[quote=Warthog;1245619]According to the Redskins, NO ONE has shown an interest in trading for Trent Williams. Maybe after the draft. Trent may want $20 mill a season. But he will only get what the market will bear. He’s got things going against him: he’s 32 and on the downside of his career. Teams may question about his physical condition or his motivation. Kyle Smith also said he should play his contract. So, Trent may ask to be the top-paid OT, but I doubt he will get it.


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John Keim said on his podcast today that:

- The Pats were interested in trading for Trent last season, but quickly lost interest once they knew Trent's asking price.

- No one offered a first round pick last season.

- The Browns gave one of the lowest offers to the Redskins.

I just don't see Trent getting the money that he wants, and what he wants is going to affect the team's ability to trade him.

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If we were to cut Trent and another team picked him up would we get a compensatory pick for him?

Not saying we should do that, just asking the question.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1245949]If we were to cut Trent and another team picked him up would we get a compensatory pick for him?



Not saying we should do that, just asking the question.[/QUOTE]



We’ll get more by trading Trent than a compensatory pick. I think we can get a second or third rounder for him. I think Rivera will take a second rounder rather than the huge salary that Trent wants. That second round pick could get them an excellent WR, one of the few good TE available or an OT.


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[QUOTE=Warthog;1245956]We’ll get more by trading Trent than a compensatory pick. I think we can get a second or third rounder for him. I think Rivera will take a second rounder rather than the huge salary that Trent wants. That second round pick could get them an excellent WR, one of the few good TE available or an OT.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]Well my thinking around the cut is if TWs contract demands are outrageous and no team wants to deal, would cutting him even be an option. Assuming once he is cut he will be more flexible with contract demands.

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Give his agent permission to seek a trade and see what they can come up with. Then the skins can decide what they will take for him.

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At this point I would offer to guarantee his current contract, and put the ball in his court to honor that. Then I'm drafting his replacement. If Trent chooses to hold out, so be it. That being said if a team offers a 2nd round draft pick this year for Trent's services, I'm taking it.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1246013]At this point I would offer to guarantee his current contract, and put the ball in his court to honor that. Then I'm drafting his replacement. If Trent chooses to hold out, so be it. That being said if a team offers a 2nd round draft pick this year for Trent's services, I'm taking it.[/quote]

100% agree

I would actually double Dunbar salary and say play an entire season and we can talk next year