Re: Brunell vs. Bledsoe
 

Joe Redskin

[QUOTE]Wow. I'll give you five options: (1) You're being intentionally obtuse b/c its fun to see our reactions; (2) You're twelve; (3) You forgot to take your meds; (5) english is your second language; or (4) You're an idiot.[/QUOTE]

If you can't make logical arguments, attack your opponent personally. Not a very original approach in this forum, but oh well.

[QUOTE] First - I asked for [B]objective[/B] criteria. Go ahead and assume that I am talking about a fan's perspective. [/QUOTE]

I missed the word "objective" on my first reading. No. I don't think there is any objective way for fans to compare two players.

[QUOTE] Second - Okay, let's assume I am talking about comparisons "by the professionals": What means do they use to make objective comparisons? OR are you asserting that "the professionals" have NO objective criteria and rely solely on their subjective observations?[/QUOTE]

Oh, you devil. You want me to say that they probably use statistics! Yeah. They might. But I'd bet that they aren't the same useless batch of stats that we talk about in this forum.

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As for the rest of your statements, I'll sum up as you have, yet again displayed your obtuseness or idiocy.

You have made the affirmative claim that stats are mostly useless for comparing players. In refuting that claim, PSU has asked you to refute the statement that Aaron Brooks is the best QB in the league w/out relying on stats.

No one on this forum believes that statement to be true, and, thus, it is on you to disprove an obviouslly false statement w/out relying on facts.

Re: Brunell vs. Bledsoe
 

[QUOTE=Huddle]Oh, you devil. You want me to say that they probably use statistics! Yeah. They might. But I'd bet that they aren't the same useless batch of stats that we talk about in this forum.[/QUOTE]

So they are magical stats, never revealed to the public? AND the existence of these secret stats is wiped out of the minds of those "professionals" who stop working in the league and become commentators? 'Cause I believe I have heard one or two former "professionals' use the same stats we discuss here. .

Re: Brunell vs. Bledsoe
 

[quote=Huddle]Oh, you devil. You want me to say that they probably use statistics! Yeah. They might. But I'd bet that they aren't the same useless batch of stats that we talk about in this forum.[/quote]

I'll take that bet, considering the same statistics we use on this forum are the same type and kind of statistics we used in our mock arbitration in my Sports and Entertainment Law class in law school, at the direction of my professor who is the former President of the NHL, and who brought in three prominant sports agents to discuss with us the process and procedures used in determining player salaries. But hey, what do I know? Those kinds of statistics must not be as important as all those guys said they were since Huddle doesn't think ..... no no no ....... since Huddle is willing to "bet" that they aren't.

I know I said I was done, but I consider this another topic..........oh heck, I'm just bad at keeping quiet if truth be told.

Don't worry Huddle, I don't expect you to actually respond to this post because I know it doesn't support your point.

Re: Brunell vs. Bledsoe
 

[quote=Huddle]
Oh, you devil. You want me to say that they probably use statistics! Yeah. They might. But I'd bet that they aren't the same useless batch of stats that we talk about in this forum.[/quote]

they're the same ones. DVOA and theisman's are specialized created stats, but there's just as available as any other stat.

you have yet to show me an objective comparision of boller to peyton without using stats or opinions. I don't know what the problem is, but your claims are dead and instead of rebutting the actual obvious holes in those claims, you focus on asking people not to call you names instead. you've been avoiding my posts for hours now. good job. I can only assume this is only because you have no response and agree with them.

Re: Brunell vs. Bledsoe
 

That Guy

[QUOTE]they're the same ones. DVOA and theisman's are specialized created stats, but there's just as available as any other stat.[/QUOTE]

I exclude the DVOAs from my criticism. Those people actually understand statistics and, if you'd compare the structure in what they're doing to the garden variety football statistics, then maybe you'd understand my position.

[QUOTE] you have yet to show me an objective comparision of boller to peyton without using stats or opinions. [/QUOTE]

There are no objective comparisons available for the average fan. I can give only subjective opinions, based on observations. We could debate those but I'd turn a deaf ear to your statistical arguments.


[QUOTE] you've been avoiding my posts for hours now. good job. I can only assume this is only because you have no response and agree with them.[/QUOTE]

I haven't read your posts. I've been kept busy by a couple of other posters. Did you have anything new to say?

Re: Brunell vs. Bledsoe
 

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