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[quote=RedskinRat;245340]Not to get into an argument GT, but I think you're looking at it from the wrong end.

Brandon Lloyd's DPAR -0.4
Antwaan Randle El's DPAR -0.2
Chris Cooley DPAR 2.9

How often have we seen MB complete consecutive average to long passes this season. We haven't. If you have WR's running downfield and no ball arriving who's that on?[/quote]It's DPAR. Those numbers are unaffected by balls that go other places. I don't know the exact formula, but the point of WR DPAR is to try to seperate it from that of the QB. When a guy like Moss can put up such a high number (producing a point every game more than a replacement WR is huge. WRs don't touch the ball much compared to RBs and QBs), and has no help from the other guys. (I know they don't get thrown to all that much, but the point is it's negative. Negative means they are [U][B]costing[/B][/U] their team PPG over a replacement player. Granted a -.04 and -.02 havent lost us any games, but they couldn't have possibly helped win them).

There really isn't an arguement. Before we had a passing game (it was stronger than our running game), but now without Portis and Brunell, we have neither. Just a young guy, which is a good thing. What is going to happen to our offense Sunday...isn't.

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I think, as Gibbs said, they will tailor the offense to Jason's ( and ladell's for that matter) strengths. I am sure we will see some deep throws, more than we have.

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GTripp,

It's starting to almost sound like you want to see the offense flounder just so you can say "I told you so."

If the offense scores more than 3 points (which you predict), will you just chalk it up to Tampa playing poorly, the playcalling being better, or other offensive players executing better? My guess is yes. I cannot see you praising Campbell.

BTW, I'm not meaning to act like a jerk, even if this post seems like I am one.

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This thread has turned into a statistical comedy.

I just find it interesting that now Brunell will be supporting Campbell much like Ramsey supported him when was yanked and had to cheer from the sidelines.
This shouldn't be too hard of a pill for Brunell to swallow actually.

Who would have thought, both him and Ramsey are now riding the pine.

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where did the 'bad luck' stat, the 'shitty game entitlement' stat, and the 'rainy, away, division game' stat go?

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[quote=illdefined;245369]where did the 'bad luck' stat, the 'shitty game entitlement' stat, and the 'rainy, away, division game' stat go?[/quote]Those are known as the discrepencies between stats and reality. My explinations for them. "Observations" if you will.

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;245366]GTripp,

It's starting to almost sound like you want to see the offense flounder just so you can say "I told you so."

If the offense scores more than 3 points (which you predict), will you just chalk it up to Tampa playing poorly, the playcalling being better, or other offensive players executing better? My guess is yes. I cannot see you praising Campbell.

BTW, I'm not meaning to act like a jerk, even if this post seems like I am one.[/QUOTE]

I don't think Campbell will put "explosive" numbers for the first few games at least. I hope I'm wrong and he sets the world on fire starting this Sunday. I'm sure many others, including yourself, feel the same way.

But we both know there are those here (whether it was re: Ramsey, re: Brunell, re: whoever) who would rather be right and see the team lose than wrong and see the team win. I know I'll get accused of questioning the "fanhood" of some people but it's the truth.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;245366]GTripp,

It's starting to almost sound like you want to see the offense flounder just so you can say "I told you so."

If the offense scores more than 3 points (which you predict), will you just chalk it up to Tampa playing poorly, the playcalling being better, or other offensive players executing better? My guess is yes. I cannot see you praising Campbell.

BTW, I'm not meaning to act like a jerk, even if this post seems like I am one.[/quote]Nah, you are hardly being a jerk.

All your points are fair. It's funny cause this is exactly what everyone else was sounding like to me all these weeks. They pretty much were waiting for Brunell to fail. Took awhile, but he did in fact crap out vs. Phili. Looks like the rolls have changed now.

I like Jason Campbell. He was a good pick and will be a great NFL QB. It's not going to happen overnight, which is how long it took to bench Brunell. So now as our schedule softens, we are going to drain all hope of making the playoffs. I am irritated about it. I didn't wait through the offseason so we could have the same amount of losses we had all of last season before giving up.

If the offense scores more points, I'll do the same thing I've always done. I'll investigate deeper into the game, try to explain to the rest of you why what happened did, and either be laughed out of the room or praised.

Either way, I'll be true to myself.

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[quote=TAFKAS;245378]But we both know there are those here (whether it was re: Ramsey, re: Brunell, re: whoever) who would rather be right and see the team lose than wrong and see the team win. I know I'll get accused of questioning the "fanhood" of some people but it's the truth.[/quote]I hope you guys don't think that includes me. Nothing could be further from the truth.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS;245378]I don't think Campbell will put "explosive" numbers for the first few games at least. I hope I'm wrong and he sets the world on fire starting this Sunday. I'm sure many others, including yourself, feel the same way.

But we both know there are those here (whether it was re: Ramsey, re: Brunell, re: whoever) who would rather be right and see the team lose than wrong and see the team win. I know I'll get accused of questioning the "fanhood" of some people but it's the truth.[/QUOTE]

I definately don't expect to see Campbell light up opposing defenses. My guess is that he struggles for the first 5 games or so and starts to "come on" at the very end of the season.

I didn't mean to question GTripp's fandom. I know that GTripp loves the team and always wants to see them win. I just think there will be a certain part of him that will enjoy seeing Campbell struggle.

As a recovering Ramseyfan, I know all about trying to see the good in a particular player, even when they are playing poorly. That said, when Brunell started playing well last season, I gave him props and didn't particularly mourn Ramsey's departure. I would just like to see GTripp do the same with Brunell; admit Brunell isn't even an average QB ([U]I'm not laying all or even most of the team's woes on Brunell[/U]), doesn't deserve to start, and wish his successor the best.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;245380]Nah, you are hardly being a jerk.

All your points are fair. It's funny cause this is exactly what everyone else was sounding like to me all these weeks. They pretty much were waiting for Brunell to fail. Took awhile, but he did in fact crap out vs. Phili. Looks like the rolls have changed now.[/QUOTE]

First, thanks for not taking my posts the wrong way. You know that I respect your opinion (even if I strongly disagree with it) and consider you a valued member of the site.

Second, I agree 100% that, on a certain level, many people on this site wanted to see Brunell fail miserably. I was never one of them. When I thought that Brunell played poorly, I said so and when I thought Brunell played well, I said so. We just differ as to whether Brunell's [U]overall [/U]performance was any good.

Here's an example of a guy who loves Brunell so much that he is actually hoping the Redskins lose this Sunday. [URL="http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=180444"]http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=180444[/URL]

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;245382]I definately don't expect to see Campbell light up opposing defenses. My guess is that he struggles for the first 5 games or so and starts to "come on" at the very end of the season.

I didn't mean to question GTripp's fandom. I know that GTripp loves the team and always wants to see them win. I just think there will be a certain part of him that will enjoy seeing Campbell struggle.

As a recovering Ramseyfan, I know all about trying to see the good in a particular player, even when they are playing poorly. That said, when Brunell started playing well last season, I gave him props and didn't particularly mourn Ramsey's departure. I would just like to see GTripp do the same with Brunell; admit Brunell isn't even an average QB ([U]I'm not laying all or even most of the team's woes on Brunell[/U]), doesn't deserve to start, and wish his successor the best.[/quote]The thing about Patrick Ramsey is that by all accounts (statistical and objective observant) he was the average QB. Career 3.18 DPAR/G. Perfectly average. I sincerely believe we would have been a 9 or 10 win team with Ramsey in 2005. Brunell didn't win or lose us any games then either. It wasn't his style.

Brunell has been better over his career and significantly better each of the last two seasons. I would say theres no way that I could realistically say Brunell hasn't even been average. That would not only go against the evidence, but against my observations from watching him.

So if Brunell never plays another down in his career, there would be absoultely no reason for me to say something I believe (along with the evidence I have) to be blatently false to appease other people.

Although we had the same record in 2004 through 9 games that we do now, I hope people can realize what the differences are. In 2004, Brunell was too hurt to throw. He produced numbers so sub par to his career, that everyone (including me) thought it was over for him. That, along with the OLine and injuries were the reasons we lost. We had the no. 2 defense. This year we have the no. 30 defense and the same record through 9. Considering that defense is what wins games, there shouldn't be a serious arguement that goes against what the stats tell you, because there is no reason for it. We know why we are losing. It has nothing to do with the offense.

I was too young to remember the 3 championships. Gibbs [U][I][B]earned[/B][/I][/U] my trust when he made Brunell the starter and he played [U][B]well[/B][/U]. Since then, Brunell's level of play has not changed. The offense has. We have gotten conservative and mistakes have been made. Brunell is capable of doing anything he did in 2005. So if you refuse to blame the defense for anything, and you want to blame the offense for being conservative, I won't stop you, but there is ZERO evidence to prove that Brunell can't do one thing he could do in 2005.

As far as Campbell, write this one down, as soon as he gets [I][B]unjustly[/B][/I] attacked for something that isn't his fault, I will be the first one to his side.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;245234]Campbell will likely struggle in all 7 of his starts this season. We won't move the ball at all before CP comes back. [B]It's gonna get real ugly, real fast.[/B][/QUOTE]

Excuse me? It's "gonna get" ugly? What do you think we've been watching?

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;245372]Those are known as the discrepencies between stats and reality. My explinations for them. "Observations" if you will.[/QUOTE]

yes, the eternal 'out' of statistical battles. prepare one for Campbell this season just in case.

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[quote=Beemnseven;245392]Excuse me? It's "gonna get" ugly? What do you think we've been watching?[/quote]It is referring to the offense. We had a running game, a passing game, and no turnovers. Now we have no CP, no MB, and an inexpierenced QB.

Thus uglyness. On both sides of the ball. Like the Phili game, except vs a team thats not nearly as good.