Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

Crazy thought I just had...

Previously, the Redskins were in discussions with the Broncos - Washington's sixth overall pick for Dré Bly and Denver's first, and reacquire a second- and third- round pick, which were dealt away (the Broncos have the Redskins' third-round selection from the T.J. Duckett trade). Obviously, this hasn't happened. By talking about our first rounder in conjunction with a two-time Pro Bowler under the franchise tag, could we be putting pressure on Denver to accept a previous deal that they may have tabled?

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

I hope this doesn't happen unless we get OUR 2nd rounder back in this pick.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

This is stupid. If it goes through what Defensive lineman will be available at 31.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

How about this, what if we were planning to make the Denver trade (6 for 21, Bly and second and third), and then trade the 21 pick (and maybe the third) for the 31 pick and Briggs. The move from 21 to 31 is worth 275 (the equivalent of a late 2nd).

Skins give up the 6th pick, get Bly, Briggs, the 31st pick and a second round pick

Denver gives up Bly, 21, second and third round picks, get the 6th pick.

Bears give up Briggs and the 31 pick, get the 21 and a third.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[quote=Schneed10;291684]I'm scared because I'm about to argue fervently against The Ego. But here goes nothing...

Just because a guy is labeled a franchise player, is he automatically worth 2 first round picks? That's what the CBA says a franchise player is worth in a trade, but that doesn't mean teams are willing to pay that.

If Lance Briggs didn't have the franchise tag, would you give this year's first rounder and next year's first rounder for him? I'd hope not. The reason? He's not worth that much, no matter what tag he has on him!

We're not coming out ahead of anything. We'd get a really good LB and a pick that can't possibly land us an impact DT. We don't need 1 good LB. We need an impact DT, a young G to groom (don't forget, we're currently planning on forcing a career-long T who is built like a T to switch to G), an athletic S to play alongside Taylor, and some would say a young DE because we're getting old at that spot.

This trade does not fit our needs, it doesn't solve our problems, and it perpetuates the players' discontent with our front office's willingness to pay outside talent rather than pay to keep their own. We need to trade the 6th pick for more picks, not Lance Briggs and a pick that can't solve our biggest need: DT.[/quote]To play devil's advocate for a second-

I like Justin Harrell as a prospect. And there's an outside chance that Alan Branch could still be around at 31. So if we could land a prospect whom we were considering at 6, and now only have to pay him No. 31 money, we'd actually come out great in this deal.

But then again, if Harrell and Branch get taken prior to 31, and we don't have an option but to take the best remaining DL prospect, then the Briggs deal has officially royaly screwed us.

If we are genuinely interested in this deal, I could only assume it was because we weren't enamored with ANY of the top prospects.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[quote=Skinsfanatic;291713]How about this, what if we were planning to make the Denver trade (6 for 21, Bly and second and third), and then trade the 21 pick (and maybe the third) for the 31 pick and Briggs. The move from 21 to 31 is worth 275 (the equivalent of a late 2nd).

Skins give up the 6th pick, get Bly, Briggs, the 31st pick and a second round pick

Denver gives up Bly, 21, second and third round picks, get the 6th pick.

Bears give up Briggs and the 31 pick, get the 21 and a third.[/quote]
this works for everyone but the bears. they lose an all pro linebacker for the equivalent of a third round pick. with him carrying the franchise tag, the can do alot better

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[quote=dmek25;291715]this works for everyone but the bears. they lose an all pro linebacker for the equivalent of a third round pick. with him carrying the franchise tag, the can do alot better[/quote]

actually, its the equivalent of a second and a third, and even if we gave them the move up and a second, with us keeping the third, we would still be doing pretty good.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[QUOTE=Skinsfanatic;291713]How about this, what if we were planning to make the Denver trade (6 for 21, Bly and second and third), and then trade the 21 pick (and maybe the third) for the 31 pick and Briggs. The move from 21 to 31 is worth 275 (the equivalent of a late 2nd).

Skins give up the 6th pick, get Bly, Briggs, the 31st pick and a second round pick

Denver gives up Bly, 21, second and third round picks, get the 6th pick.

Bears give up Briggs and the 31 pick, get the 21 and a third.[/QUOTE]

Are the Redskins giving up some magic beans to build a beanstalk to get all of that? Seriously, that's not a trade that would even fly on Madden.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[QUOTE=redskins5044;291456]no link to this story but on the nfl network on the scroll on the bottom of the screen for the bears they are saying they are considering trading briggs and the 31st overall in the first round for the skins 6th pick in the first round.[/QUOTE]

Bears fan here in DC, I also follow the Skins alot too. As a Bears fan, I'd make this deal in a second. The Bears have the 37th pick also, so losing the 31 and gaining the 6 is a no-brainer. And Briggs while a great linebacker, is probably going to cost the Skins a monster paycheck. He turned down a huge and fair offer from the Bears last year. And while he's very good, he's also surrounded by an already very good D in Chicago, especially with Urlacher next to him. So as a Bears fan I'm drooling over this....the Redskins fan in me says stay away.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[QUOTE=#56fanatic;291700]for the life of me I can't understand all of the negativity towards this proposed deal. We keep a 1st rounder, and gain a STUD of a LB. Rocky may not be developing the way they want, or if they are like me, you just can't pass up on a guy like Briggs. especially when you essentially just change picks and do not lose our 1st rounder. [B]Our D line does need to be addressed, which it will, just later in the draft. The draft is deep enough we can get a quality player. [/B]There may be something in the works we do not know about yet. I can't believe the number of people that are all for signing aged up LB or OLINE men, but when a 26 year old beast LB comes available for essentially nothing, people are bashing it. Yes it will cost us, yes Rocky will sit, but that is just a move that can't be ignored. That side of our D was consistantly run all over.[/QUOTE]


The problem is we don't have any other picks until round 5 -- and there will not be any defensive linemen at that late stage to help where we need it most. This year's draft is deep at DL, but not [I]that[/I] deep. If we take this deal and get the 31st pick, we won't have any bargaining power to trade down -- so there definitely won't be anything else "in the works" if this happens.

Teams ran all over us at the defensive line first -- so it follows that we need to address the front four first. Briggs won't matter at that point.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[QUOTE=BrudLee;291621]The only way this could be true and not involve me spitting out bile for the next week involves the following variables:
[LIST][*]The Redskins think that there is parity among the top four DT's in the draft. There is legitimate argument that the best DT is Okoye or Branch, and Justin Harrell is rising. If our scouts see a fourth DT in that mix, then he's a guy that should make it through to 31.[*]Marcus Washington is, literally, half the player he was. We know nothing of his health status, and if his hip has rendered him immobile, we don't have the guy to be our SAM LB.[*]Preliminary discussions have Briggs signing a deal that doesn't pay him much differently than the Bears would have in their early contract proposal. Sometimes a player will take less to get out of what they see is a poisonous situation. Granted, it doesn't happen with the Redskins signing checks very often, but hope spring eternal.[*]There's [i]something[/i] else coming over from Chicago, even if it's just for show. Tack a fourth round pick on a deal, and it acts like spackle, filling in the little cracks that we all inherently see.[/LIST][/QUOTE] I starting to think that the DT and DE are all running about the same and there was talk early in Feb. that the Redskins were not wild about these DE and DT at a 6th pick in the draft! I am begaining to feel that is true. I also see much of what you are saying could be true[in your post] but for me Brings the 31st pick in the draft is a little short of that 6th over all pick. So a 2nd or a 4th would go along ways towards making this good. But in trades like this we seem not to do well. AS for Washington I truly hope his is not that bad off. He is one of the Redskin Players I really like!

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

I read this was put together by drew rosenhaus, dan snyder, and Vinny C... I just hope Gibbs vetos the deal because it is absolutley an idoitic deal... I guess their strategy is get Briggs and take Merriweather with 31 but still it is stupid Gibbs SAY NO

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[quote=dmek25;291715]this works for everyone but the bears. they lose an all pro linebacker for the equivalent of a third round pick. with him carrying the franchise tag, the can do alot better[/quote]

Actually without this trade the Bears suffer more if Briggs follows through with his "I won't play in 2007 for the Bears" statement. Puzzling why some of these other teams with a ton of money aren't making a play for Briggs, as well. Assuming they haven't behind the scenes, of course.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[QUOTE=GoSkins!;291638]The part that doesn't make sense is this. Denver offers thier probowl linebacker plus thier 1st, 2nd, 3rd picks. We say no. Instead we want another teams linebacker and a later 1st with no 2nd or 3rd.

Something does not sound right.[/QUOTE] Good thing we didn't take that trade Wilson could pass a Giants physical!!!

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[QUOTE=Skinsfanatic;291713]How about this, what if we were planning to make the Denver trade (6 for 21, Bly and second and third), and then trade the 21 pick (and maybe the third) for the 31 pick and Briggs. The move from 21 to 31 is worth 275 (the equivalent of a late 2nd).

Skins give up the 6th pick, get Bly, Briggs, the 31st pick and a second round pick

Denver gives up Bly, 21, second and third round picks, get the 6th pick.

Bears give up Briggs and the 31 pick, get the 21 and a third.[/QUOTE] I like the way you think but that is way to much thinking for our FO!