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Drift Reality 12-23-2008 03:13 PM

Re: If You Ran the Redskins...
 
BigHairedAristocrat...

I would agree that they should look at bringing additional resources or at least re-allocating existing resources to take some responsibility off of Zorn's plate.

The personnel moves you suggest however are fantasy-football. They aren't going to happen.

Drift Reality 12-23-2008 03:14 PM

Re: If You Ran the Redskins...
 
[quote=RMSkins;515113]There is absolutely, positively no way we would get a 1st or 2nd round pick for Horton. Just because Don Banks, from SI of all places, says that Horton would go in the 1st round in his redo of the draft doesn't mean that other teams are going to want to give up a valuable pick for a 7th round rookie that has only played one season. Also, why would we want to trade one of our young, up-and-coming players?[/quote]

Agree completely. It just doesn't make any sense.

GTripp0012 12-23-2008 06:55 PM

Re: If You Ran the Redskins...
 
[quote=redsk1;512632]Look what the Falcons did recently. They went after Scott Pioli GM of the Patriots. They didn't get him. What they did get was a recommendation of Thomas Demitroff his #1 guy.

Demitroff then purged Atlanta's malcontents, hired a new coach, drafted well (for only 1 year really), signed a FA or two, and look at them now.

Really unbelievable. You can't expect a turnaround so quick, but the blueprints are there.[/quote]Atlanta had a lot of great pieces under Mora and Petrino. The key for them was purging the bad pieces that were keeping them down (Warrick Dunn, Joe Horn, Alge Crumpler, Demorrio Williams, some of the offensive line, etc) then finding Matt Ryan to improve the QB position (remember that Joey Harrington and Chris Redman both had career years in the same offense), and simply hoping that the pieces to the puzzle would stay healthy. They have.

This is not some great or deep roster they have in Atlanta, and they're a good bet to decline next year. But they are ultra-talented on offense, and they are undoubtably one of the most dangerous teams in the entire NFC this year.

They are my super bowl pick from the conference.

GTripp0012 12-23-2008 07:08 PM

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;515072]IF we keep Zorn (and it seems we will right now), this is what I would do:

1. Fire Cerrato. Give Scott Pioli whatever he wants to come here.

2. Give Zorn an experienced WCO Offensive coordinator and have the OC call plays.

3. Attempt to trade:
-Chris Horton (Low 1st/High 2nd rounder - No, i'm not crazy, see below*)
-Jason Campbell (2nd/3rd rounder-he doesnt fit the WCO, plain and simple)
-Jason Taylor (4th rounder)
-Randel El (4th-6th rounder)
-Rock Cartwright OR Betts (5th rounder - sorry, but we need a short
yardage back. Betts or Cartwright need to go to make room.)

4. Among starters, i would CUT:
-Griff
-Washington
-Taylor (if unable to trade)
-ARE (if unable to trade)
-Rock Cartwright OR Betts (if unable to trade)
-Rabach
-Thrash (I know, not techincally a starter)

5. Of starters eligible for FA, I would RESIGN:
-DeAngelo Hall (#1 player priority. I'd give him whatever he wants to stay)
-Pete Kendall (Not a long-term solution, but you cannot find a cheaper
starting caliber guard on the market.
-Montgomery OR Golston (or both if they are cheap)

6. In Free agency, I would acquire:
-QB Jeff Garcia (He is a veteran WCO QB and can start for 1-3 years while
we groom a young QB, whether that is Brennan or a draft pick.)
-RB Brandon Jacobs (if his asking price is too high, then we can go with a
cheaper option)
- WR Bobby Engram or Devery Henderson (both should be cheap and can
fill the role of a #3/#4 WR
- DE Terrell Suggs (Replaces Taylor)
- DT Shaun Cody (Far less expensive than Haynesworth - a good value)
- OLB Carlos Dansby (Replaces Washington)

7. I would use my top draft picks to sign
-Starting Center
-OT who can start at LT in 1-2 years (Samuels needs to move to RT
sometime soon)
-OLB who can start in 1-2 years (I dont trust McIntosh)
-WCO QB
-Big Power RB (if we are unable to sign one in FA)

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* So why do I think we should trade Chris Horton?
We are building for the future and we need draft picks. But, you may ask: [I]Horton was our best draft pick. He was the steal of the draft and a GREAT safety. He's young. Doesnt that mean he should be PART of our future? [/I] On the surface, that argument makes sense. However, Sundays game vs the Eagles made me realize something - Chris Horton is a poor mans Laron Landry. They both need to play SS to maximize their potential. We are wasting LL by making him sit 20yards back and play SS. Landry was able to do so much against Philly because he played SS while we had Shawn Springs back FS. We simply don't NEED two really good Strong Safeties. Horton has tremendous value right now. We could easily get a low first rounder or high 2nd rounder for him... a pick that could be used to address our needs at LB and along both lines. We could address the FS vacancy one of several ways:
-Sign dawan Landry from the Ravens. he's a FA and no doubt would love to come here and play with his brother.
-Extend/Renegotiate with Springs and move him to safety. (He has shown a reluctance to renegotiate in the past, but we may be able to make a deal that is favorable to both sides)
-Develop Kareem Moore
-Use a draft pick on 1st-3rd round pick on a FS. The least favorite option, to be sure.[/quote]I think you're dead wrong on Campbell vs. the WCO, and obviously trading our franchise QB doesn't help improve the team, puls we wouldn't get anything for him right now because teams like to draft their own QBs.

I also think Dawan Landry has a similar skill set to LaRon, for all the obvious reasons. I don't disagree with your Horton assessment, but I'm not sure what the problem is with having two similar safeties.

Other than that, solid, well-thought out and explained, post.

GusFrerotte 12-23-2008 08:59 PM

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[quote=GTripp0012;515196]I think you're dead wrong on Campbell vs. the WCO, and obviously trading our franchise QB doesn't help improve the team, puls we wouldn't get anything for him right now because teams like to draft their own QBs.

I also think Dawan Landry has a similar skill set to LaRon, for all the obvious reasons. I don't disagree with your Horton assessment, but I'm not sure what the problem is with having two similar safeties.

Other than that, solid, well-thought out and explained, post.[/quote]

Franchise QB my ass!!!!!! The guy is average tops, and Snyder knows it. Why do you think he is waiting on giving him an extension? If he was the franchise guy, don't you think he would have gotten a deal by now?

GTripp0012 12-23-2008 09:27 PM

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[quote=GusFrerotte;515212]Franchise QB my ass!!!!!! The guy is average tops, and Snyder knows it. Why do you think he is waiting on giving him an extension? If he was the franchise guy, don't you think he would have gotten a deal by now?[/quote]No, we're in the middle of a season, and he's got a year remaining.

Your love of the Skins pales in comparison to your desire to see Jason Campbell fail.

If only we could win a bunch of playoff games while Jason Campbell underachieved, instead of the other way around. You'd be as happy as a pig in mud!

GMScud 12-23-2008 10:56 PM

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If I ran the Redskins I'd love to have Jerry Hughes (DE) from TCU. Wow. He leads the nation in sacks and is having a helluva ball game vs. Boise State tonight.

PurpEagle_AUTiger 12-25-2008 08:03 PM

Re: If You Ran the Redskins...
 
[quote=SmootSmack;510176]What steps would you take between now and opening day 2009 to improve this team?

[/quote]

I would introduce them to 10 Individuals who live in the DC Metro area and who are die-hard skins fans...

We will then give Dan Snyder $1k each... And yell, scream, and curse at EVERY member of the Redskins organization for 1 hour per IMPORTANT person/player...

...

RMSkins 12-25-2008 11:20 PM

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[quote=PurpEagle_AUTiger;515486]I would introduce them to 10 Individuals who live in the DC Metro area and who are die-hard skins fans...

We will then give Dan Snyder $1k each... And yell, scream, and curse at EVERY member of the Redskins organization for 1 hour per IMPORTANT person/player...

...[/quote]
This is probably one of the greatest ideas that I have ever heard.

MTK 12-26-2008 11:25 AM

Re: If You Ran the Redskins...
 
[quote=PurpEagle_AUTiger;515486]I would introduce them to 10 Individuals who live in the DC Metro area and who are die-hard skins fans...

We will then give Dan Snyder $1k each... And yell, scream, and curse at EVERY member of the Redskins organization for 1 hour per IMPORTANT person/player...

...[/quote]

Ok, so after your little crybaby display, what would you do to actually fix the problems?

KLHJ2 12-26-2008 11:37 AM

Re: If You Ran the Redskins...
 
I would be rich and not be participating in this conversation.

PurpEagle_AUTiger 12-26-2008 12:44 PM

Re: If You Ran the Redskins...
 
[quote=Mattyk72;515568]Ok, so after your little crybaby display, what would you do to actually fix the problems?[/quote]

I will pay an additional $20k to Dan Snyder...

Put on Shoulder pads, helmet, and jockstrap... And join the squad...

...

Then Buy more LOCKER ROOM YELLING/CURSING tokens...

...

GoSkins! 12-26-2008 05:31 PM

Re: If You Ran the Redskins...
 
[LIST=1][*]I'd meet up with Vinny C and tell him that, while I value his friendship, he has 2 more years to prove he is worthy of the GM job. Fail at it and he will be demoted.[*]Jim Zorn, see #1[*]Tell Zorn he needs to hire an experienced OC. We tried the no experience thing with Spurrier. It doesn't work.[*]Demand young, first round talent at OT for next season through draft or free agency.[*]Same for DT.[*]Try to restructure Springs, Taylor, Washington. Keep them if there is any way possible until there is a suitable replacement in house. Taylor would be the top priority. Springs should split his time as a FS so that Landry can blitz (Landry is our most effective blitzer). Retaining 2 of the 3 would be a very nice luxury.[*]Sign Hall and lock up Rogers for a few more years. Go after another premier CB in free agency (wish list = [URL="http://www.nfl.com/players/nnamdiasomugha/profile?id=ASO415291"]Asomugha, Nnamdi[/URL]) in case other guys on team don't re-sign.[*]Re-sign Evans, Montgomery, and Daniels. Philip will need to take a pay cut and can rotate into a DT position on passing downs.[*]Draft a LB with the third round pick.[*]Sign a WR experienced in Zorn's WCO, hand picked by Zorn. Tell Zorn this, along with #4, ends his excuses for the offense not making yards through the air because of "lack of execution".[*]Re-sign Kendall, knees and all, and make Jansen the primary backup to every OL position (except LT). Also, make Jansen compete for a starting position at center.[*]Sign or draft a big, bruising, tailback that can get a tough yard every time. Run him behind Sellars on short yardage.[/LIST]

drew54 12-26-2008 11:41 PM

Re: If You Ran the Redskins...
 
In no particular order:

OL Drafted in the first round must start. Would like LT, move Samuels to RT
Henry Ellard for WR coach.
Draft DT that can contribute in third round.
Re-sign Hall, Montgomery, Golston, Evans, Albright,
Solve kicker/punter problems
Sign free agents for depth, not starters. This is better for the cap, and we don't need starters, we need improvement from our young guys, and our injured guys to get healthy.
Draft best player available at LB, DT, and OL with remaining picks.
Be patient.

Sonny9TD 12-27-2008 08:18 AM

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Get rid of Campbell.


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