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[quote]I think Bodden is probably headed back to the AFC. Jacksonville and Houston probably at or near the top of the list[/quote]
Why do you say that SS. I admittedly have not read the whole thread, but Bodden listed Washington as one of, if not his top team on NFL radio. He grew up around here apparently.

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yeah, he's a local kid so sure the Skins are a possibility

Texans I kind of just threw in there

Jags just happened to name his position coach with the Browns, Mel Tucker (who loves Bodden and vice-versa) as their new defensive coordinator a couple of weeks ago

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J. peppers

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The ones that I want: Dansby, Lechler and Gross are going to be too expensive. We might be able to get Gross or Lechler but I doubt it.

Haynesworth and Peppers aren't worth the money.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;526313]The ones that I want: Dansby, Lechler and Gross are going to be too expensive. We might be able to get Gross or Lechler but I doubt it.

Haynesworth and Peppers aren't worth the money.[/quote]

Gross is probably going to get the franchise tag, since it seems like the Panthers are going to let Peppers walk. Pundits are talking about possibly having a QB change in Carolina, so they are going to need to protect whoever QBs for them. Even if it is Delhomme again, he's no spring chicken and needs protection.

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Haynesworth, period point blank , then draft 3 o-linemen , and a RB Haynesworth will improve the defense in all area's just from being a force in the middle...

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haynesworth is fairly young too, i like him and peppers no questions asked.

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I would rather have Haynesworth. He's younger and he fills a need.

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[quote=vallin21;526379]I would rather have Haynesworth. He's younger and he fills a need.[/quote]

Whatever team signs Haynesworth will be making one of the biggest mistakes in the history of free agency. Haynesworth will not be THAT young when the season starts. hes only got another 4-5 years of production similar to what weve seen the past two years, but theres no garauntee he will continue to perform at a high level. by all appearances, hes been motivated soley by the prospect of a big payday. Haynesworth wants to be the highest paid defensive player in league history. whoever pays him that kind of money for the maximum potential of another 4-5 years of performance similar to what he did in 2007 and 2008 is an idiot.

Id rather have Chad Johnson buy the team and name us the Washington Ocho Cincos than have us bring Haynesworth here.

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4-5 years is an eternity in the NFL, hell most careers don't last that long. Yeah Haynesworth is going to command top dollar and personally I wouldn't want to sink that into him, but if he keeps playing at his current level for another 4-5 years someone is going to be getting a heck of a player. At the start of the season he will be 28, in the prime of his career.

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I want Bodden, Kelvin Hayden, Chris Johnson or Ron Bartell (all cornerbacks) above all other free agents. After that, I'd like to see Lechler here. No one player in the free agent market would make a bigger impact on our team than Shane Lechler, considering he would turn a main weakness into a strength basically overnight.

Outside of that, I'd chase a few centers, thinking either Geoff Hangartner or Jason Brown. But I wouldn't be in a rush to spend money after I shore up CB and Punter.

Ray Willis, a 27 year old OT from Seattle, might be a better (and a little older) version of Stephon Heyer, and there's the obvious Zorn connection.

And then I would mention the name Leonard Weaver, the Fullback from the Seahawks, who could be a FB/HB/STeamer combo for us. He's just a great player, though he doesn't fill a need.

But the key is, after CB and Punter, lets let the market set itself. Then lets try to upgrade the team on the cheap.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;526380]Whatever team signs Haynesworth will be making one of the biggest mistakes in the history of free agency. Haynesworth will not be THAT young when the season starts. hes only got another 4-5 years of production similar to what weve seen the past two years, but theres no garauntee he will continue to perform at a high level. by all appearances, hes been motivated soley by the prospect of a big payday. Haynesworth wants to be the highest paid defensive player in league history. whoever pays him that kind of money for the maximum potential of another 4-5 years of performance similar to what he did in 2007 and 2008 is an idiot.

Id rather have Chad Johnson buy the team and name us the Washington Ocho Cincos than have us bring Haynesworth here.[/quote]

I think that's the nature of the sport and in this business there are risks that both players and teams take. Teams like the Chiefs and Tampa Bay have a lot of cap room and have the luxury of taking their chances on a good player that will cost a lot $$. Just as there's a chance that Haynesworth won't produce as much as he has before, there's a chance that he will produce and will turn a team's defense around.

Just because Washington has been plagued by hyped free agents who end up a bust, doesn't necessarily mean that the same is going to happen everywhere. Besides, organizations like the Chiefs and Tampa Bay have to do something that shows that they are working towards improving their teams. And you're not going to tell me that $$ is not a huge driving factor in the performance of most if not all NFL athletes? Another factor is also making it to the playoffs and winning a Superbowl. Team owners and front offices also want to earn money, go to the playoffs, and make it to the SB; so there will be plenty of teams that will pay for Haynesworth.

With that said, I don't think the Redskins should get Haynesworth, but not because [B]I know[/B] that he's going to be bust (I don't, no one knows); but because the team has other needs (i.e. the offensive line that broke down in the second half of the season), doesn't have the cap room, and well it appears that the team is not going after splashy free agents.

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doesn't Haynesworth remind anyone of Dana Stubblefield? just say no

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;526380]Whatever team signs Haynesworth will be making one of the biggest mistakes in the history of free agency. Haynesworth will not be THAT young when the season starts. hes only got another 4-5 years of production similar to what weve seen the past two years, but theres no garauntee he will continue to perform at a high level. by all appearances, hes been motivated soley by the prospect of a big payday. Haynesworth wants to be the highest paid defensive player in league history. whoever pays him that kind of money for the maximum potential of another 4-5 years of performance similar to what he did in 2007 and 2008 is an idiot.

Id rather have Chad Johnson buy the team and name us the Washington Ocho Cincos than have us bring Haynesworth here.[/quote]

Haynesworth is a risk reward player but he has shown me enough to make an offer to him. Why wouldn't you think he might have just gotten better in those two years. Being a superstar doesn't come overnight, it takes practices, and seasons to become great. Until his production slips then I'll admit I was wrong. Comparing him to Stubblefeild is ridiculous. The guy was juiced the season before we signed him in FA. As far as I know Haynesworth didn't take any steroids to get better. Judge him in '09 to tell whether he's bust or a sucess.

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[quote=dmek25;526390]doesn't Haynesworth remind anyone of Dana Stubblefield? just say no[/quote]

I've been guilty of this, making the statement that Haynesworth smells like a bust, and some people have made the comparisons to Stubblefield, who came to our team and sucked it up big time. My question for us is...well how do we know this? I did some homework and looked at Stubby's stats before he came to Washington, and looked at Haynesworth stats for the past three seasons:

[B]Stubby before coming to the Redskins[/B]
Yr/Team/Tackles/Solo/Sacks/FF/INTs – Def Rank/Team Record
1995/SF/34/27/4.5/0/1 – 2nd/ 11-5
1996/SF/ 33/26/1.0/1/1 – 6th/ 12-4
[I][B]1997SF/61/49/15.0/3/0 – 12th/ 13-3[/B][/I]

[B]Haynesworth’s last three seasons[/B]
Yr/Team/Tackles/Solo/Sacks/FF/INTs – Def Rank/Team Record
2006/TEN/30/23/2.0/0/0 – 27th/ 8-8
2007/TEN/40/32/6.0/0 – 21st/ 10-6
2008/TEN/51/41/8.5/3/0 – 7th/ 13-3

Stubby's last season in San Fran was incredible...61 Tkls (49 Solo), 15 sacks, and 3 force fumbles. Can anyone honestly tell me that you wouldn't have picked this guy? I ask again, how do you know that someone is going to be a bust? Stubblefield came to the Redskins and only played 7 games in his first season and did not have the same type of production (I guess now we prob know that he probably went off the juice). I mean other than completely staying away from any big time free agent, that's the only way I feel you can avoid having a bust.

Once again, I am not advocating for Haynesworth to come to Washington. I just find it funny that free agents are a hit or miss. Sometimes I feel teams could have done better homework, but I would say most of the time teams just have bad luck.