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[quote=saden1;975539]Fck this too soon bulshit. It's time to do something...For one thing we need a single database of gun owners and annual mental and physical evaluation to own a gun. No more walking out with a gun before a background and evaluation of your fitness to own a gun. Lock the shit down now![/quote]

I agree, screw this too soon crap. If anything it's too late.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;975626]I agree, screw this too soon crap. If anything it's too late.[/QUOTE]

I agree as well there are plenty of people to help the grieving. I don't the answer but something needs to be done.

I think it starts with how we deal with the crazies.

I swear to god there is a lady in my office with mentally ill son. He burned down her garage last year. She is always on the phone with him trying to clam him down. Oh and he goes to the local community college. People are trying to care for mentally ill family members and they are over their heads.

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[quote=mredskins;975636]I agree as well there are plenty of people to help the grieving. I don't the answer but something needs to be done.

I think it starts with how we deal with the crazies.

I swear to god there is a lady in my office with mentally ill son. He burned down her garage last year. She is always on the phone with him trying to clam him down. Oh and he goes to the local community college. People are trying to care for mentally ill family members and they are over their heads.[/quote]

On that note...

[url=http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/12/14/1338021/its-easier-for-americans-to-access-guns-than-mental-health-services/?mobile=nc]It's Easier For Americans To Access Guns Than Mental Health Services | ThinkProgress[/url]

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I am going to reply to Schneed's post here, as I don't believe that a discussion on firearms should take place in the Connecticut shooting thread...

[QUOTE=Schneed10;975587]I'm so sad about this.

The United States averages 9 gun deaths per 100,000 people per year. Canada averages 4.78. France averages 3. Australia, 2.94. Norway, 1.78. Greece, 1.50. Germany, 1.10. Spain, 0.63. The Netherlands, 0.46. United Kingdom, 0.22. Japan, 0.07.

If you think it is impossible for gun control laws to work, then you must believe we are more violent than the people of all of these nations. That is the wrong kind of exceptional.[/QUOTE]

I know it is technically correct, but it should be clarified that the term "death" in this context includes homicides, suicides, and accidental. The homicide rate by itself is 2.98.

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[quote=saden1;975539]Fck this too soon bulshit. It's time to do something...For one thing we need a single database of gun owners and annual mental and physical evaluation to own a gun. No more walking out with a gun before a background and evaluation of your fitness to own a gun. Lock the shit down now![/quote]Saden, why are all your political posts that I see always wrong? :doh:

In this case, you've got the right idea, but the wrong group of people. Even if your current screwed up idea were passed, it would have done nothing in this case because the mother was the owner. But even aside from that, you and others miss a major part of the problem here.

On this topic, long story short, copied from another forum:

[B][U]The sad part of this is that the root cause of all these shootings is being ignored.

Every one of these shooters is/was mentally disturbed. Yet we do not require a psychologist to report a person in their care to the authorities when violence is discussed.

All of this doctor patient confidentiality is non sense. If a person is a threat to society then how is the doctor not complicit in the act of the patient when the patient commits violence?

If mentally disturbed people were identified, put into a database to ban them from gun, knife, ammo and any other thing that could be used for mass destruction then many if not most of these cases could be avoided.

If parents were required to register their known disturbed kids in the data base and if the parents were held criminally responsible for not doing so it would take no time, between parents and doctors, to identify the majority of these people.

You nearly always hear, after the fact, of family and friends who knew the shooter was not stable or in fact knew they were outright disturbed. This is nothing more than plain common sense to get a handle on the problem this way.[/U][/B]

A kinda chilling example from another website here. [URL="http://anarchistsoccermom.blogspot.com/2012/12/thinking-unthinkable.html?m=1"]LINK[/URL]

I see many arguments lately about how it's easier to get a gun, than competent psychological help. Yet people jump straight to gun control without addressing the other problem already stated.

But hey, let's immediately milk a tragedy for partisan political points involving 28 deaths, and ignore 32,000 traffic deaths (a third of them DUIs) [URL="http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/dec/11/ntsb-use-ignition-locks-all-drunken-drivers/"]LINK[/URL].

Or have a real discussion about gun deaths, also in the 30K's (CDC has auto fatalities at 34K, gun deaths 31K, both way too much just saying), and where those gun deaths occur (in places with the most gun control ironically). Oh, and about suicides accounting for 19K of those gun deaths. [URL="http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm"]LINK[/URL] [URL="http://www.theatlanticcities.com/neighborhoods/2012/12/geography-us-gun-violence/4171/"]LINK[/URL] [URL="http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/suicide.htm"]LINK[/URL] Maybe we need mental health control, and better gun control not more.

Who am I kidding? Focus on the guy in China who also went to a school and only wounded people because he had a knife, therefore gun control works. Never mind that precedence in this country would be for the murderer, after killing his mother, if he still wanted to go attack the school without guns, would have been to use a bomb or incendiary device in a real "bomb threat" case. Carry on.

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I own no guns. I am not a member of the NRA. I have no inkling to ever own a gun. Not my thing. I have long been dubious of gun control laws though.

But Americans have the highest per capita gun ownership in the world...it's not even remotely close.

Over half of all guns in the world are owned by people in the US.

A majority of mass killings take place in our country.

Other countries with high per capita gun ownership have a disproportionally small amount of gun deaths compared to the US.

This is all fact. If gun control isn't the answer...and I suspect it really isn't the "answer" more than it is a helpful ingredient to a much larger and more complicated solution.. Then what is? All the NRAers...what is the answer?

There is something very wrong here and while one side may not have the right answer at least they seem to get that there's a problem. The other side seem oblivious.

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[quote=FRPLG;976855]I own no guns. I am not a member of the NRA. I have no inkling to ever own a gun. Not my thing. I have long been dubious of gun control laws though.

But Americans have the highest per capita gun ownership in the world...it's not even remotely close.

Over half of all guns in the world are owned by people in the US.

A majority of mass killings take place in our country.

Other countries with high per capita gun ownership have a disproportionally small amount of gun deaths compared to the US.

This is all fact. If gun control isn't the answer...and I suspect it really isn't the "answer" more than it is a helpful ingredient to a much larger and more complicated solution.. Then what is? All the NRAers...what is the answer?

There is something very wrong here and while one side may not have the right answer at least they seem to get that there's a problem. The other side seem oblivious.[/quote]

Their answer is often... more guns.

Craziness.

If you think a gun ban would solve gun crime you're either uneducated on the topic or lying to yourself and others.

John Lott- More Guns, Less Crime.

Military grade weapons have no place in any home, however.

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[quote=RedskinRat;976890]If you think a gun ban would solve gun crime you're either uneducated on the topic or lying to yourself and others.

John Lott- More Guns, Less Crime.

[B]Military grade weapons have no place in any home, however[/B].[/quote]

That's what I think most of us can agree on.

Not sure that any reasonable person is talking about a gun ban, just more strict regulation is all.

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[quote=RedskinRat;976890]If you think a gun ban would solve gun crime you're either uneducated on the topic or lying to yourself and others.

John Lott- More Guns, Less Crime.

Military grade weapons have no place in any home, however.[/quote]

Then why do countries with less gun ownership have less crime?

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[quote=FRPLG;976900]Then why do countries with less gun ownership have less crime?[/quote]

Would you like to name a country rather than just throw that quote out there?

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The US has all ways had guns so what esle has changed. The left never wants to look at that side of the issue and wants to put all the blame on the guns.

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[quote=FRPLG;976900]Then why do countries with less gun ownership have less crime?[/quote]


They probably have tougher laws on every crime in general. That's what you need to be looking at.

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[quote=RedskinRat;976903]Would you like to name a country rather than just throw that quote out there?[/quote]

I believe it was a question not a quote. It was meant as an honest question. If you dispute the basis of it I'd be happy to understand your reasoning.