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[quote=Lotus;1013338]So you haven't heard his side of the story yet you are still pronouncing him guilty.[/quote]

You don't have to be Dick Tracey to know that he's involved, one way or another.

Also I just heard that New England is flat out cutting him.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1013340]You don't have to be Dick Tracey to know that he's involved, one way or another.

Also I just heard that New England is flat out cutting him.[/quote]

Good for them.now teammates don't have to publicly "support" him as they would have had to were he still on the team.

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[quote=Lotus;1013338]So you haven't heard his side of the story yet you are still pronouncing him guilty.[/quote]

Oh c'mon. Your just going off the whole "innocent until proven guilty " line, but you know he had something major to do with this. Your talking like a lawyer.

The fact that New England just released Hernandez tells me even more now that they haven't been getting good news out of this investigation.

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pats just cut hernandez

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[quote=Lotus;1013338]So you haven't heard his side of the story yet you are still pronouncing him guilty.[/quote]

The US public no longer (don't know if it ever really did) operates on the innocent until proven guilty philosophy. It now far more ready to believe guilty first, and conviction later. I like to think that when in the jury room, innocence is presumed, and the burden is still on the prosecution to prove otherwise but not convinced that is always the case.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;1013342]Oh c'mon. Your just going off the whole "innocent until proven guilty " line, but you know [B]he had something major to do with this[/B]. Your talking like a lawyer.

The fact that New England just released Hernandez tells me even more now that they haven't been getting good news out of this investigation.[/quote]

What did he do, exactly? You've pronounced him guilty of murder so you certainly know an answer to my question with precision.

I'll tell you what, next time that you are in a situation in which you are surrounded by damning circumstantial evidence, we'll pronounce you guilty without giving you a chance to defend yourself. That's what you are doing to Hernandez.

Of course his actions look fishy. But to pronounce guilt without allowing him a defense is unAmerican.

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Can't say I feel sorry for Hernandez. Whether he's guilty of pulling the trigger or not, he has no one to blame but himself for putting himself in a very poor situation.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;1013342]Oh c'mon. Your just going off the whole "innocent until proven guilty " line, but you know he had something major to do with this. Your talking like a lawyer.

The fact that New England just released Hernandez tells me even more now that they haven't been getting good news out of this investigation.[/quote]

The guy was taken into custody, even if cleared after the legal battle that is to follow, he's not going to be on the starting day roster this year, and likely would be suspended some next year (like BR who was never convicted of anything but was suspended for 8 games/served 4). There is no point to waste a roster space on him, and deal with ongoing media questions, if they have the cap room to cut him.

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[url=http://www.businessinsider.com/patriots-cut-aaron-hernandez-after-arrest-2013-6]Patriots Cut Aaron Hernandez After Arrest - Business Insider[/url]

Team's statement from the article:

[quote]A young man was murdered last week and we extend our sympathies to the family and friends who mourn his loss. Words cannot express the disappointment we feel knowing that one of our players was arrested as a result of this investigation. We realize that law enforcement investigations into this matter are ongoing. We support their efforts and respect the process. At this time, we believe this transaction is simply the right thing to do.[/quote]

Wow.

As for "innocent until proven guilty issues", the court of public opinion is not bound by any such stricture. To date, the facts known point to his guilt of some involvment and his actions have done nothing to dissuade such a conclusion. What can be proved in a court of law is an entirely different matter.

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The Pats cutting him, I'd think means that at the very least he is going to be charged with accessory to murder.

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funny to see how different organizations handle things. Pats basically saying, horrible situation and they dont support it and dont want the attention.


Dallas on the other hand invites their killer to the sideline the next week and he is still on their roster after failing multiple substance abuse test.


amazing

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[quote=RedskinRat;1013293]Anyone recall why the Niners were dominant in the late 80's through the 90's? Same reason. Weak division.[/quote]

A weak division gets you to the playoffs. It does not get you the amount of SB wins that San Fran won during the late 80's and early 90's. To get that many SB wins with a weak team would involve a weak NFL, not a weak division.

I used to live in Cali back in the early 80's (summer of 80' through summer of 86'). I had the opportunity in the summer of 85' to go see the 49ers at one of their training camp practices. Trust me, Montana didnt miss a pass. He hit his receivers in perfect stride almost every time. He didnt have the strongest arm, but his accuracy was a thing of beauty.

Side note - Little did any of us know that the skinny WR that they picked in the first round that year would break almost every record before he was done.

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[quote=Lotus;1013345][B]What did he do, exactly[/B]? You've pronounced him guilty of murder so you certainly know an answer to my question with precision.

I'll tell you what, next time that you are in a situation in which you are surrounded by damning circumstantial evidence, we'll pronounce you guilty without giving you a chance to defend yourself. That's what you are doing to Hernandez.

Of course his actions look fishy. But to pronounce guilt without allowing him a defense is unAmerican.[/quote]

From what we know there is solid circumstantial evidence, but we also don't know what else the Feds have. He'll have his day in court, which is his right, but it's not looking good. We may never know who pulled the trigger. It will be interesting to see what the other two guys have to say.

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CR - I have sat on a criminal jury in Baltimore City. Not sure elsewhere or for high profile crimes, but, on a Baltimore City jury, the presumption is that the police are liars and everyone is just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

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[quote=Lotus;1013345]What did he do, exactly? You've pronounced him guilty of murder so you certainly know an answer to my question with precision.

I'll tell you what, next time that you are in a situation in which you are surrounded by damning circumstantial evidence, we'll pronounce you guilty without giving you a chance to defend yourself. That's what you are doing to Hernandez.

Of course his actions look fishy. But to pronounce guilt without allowing him a defense is unAmerican.[/quote]

If you read back to my original post I said that he either murdered OR aided in the murder.

UnAmerican? Not cooperating with police is unamerican. That is KNOWN with what Hernandez is doing.

@ProFootballTalk: Patriots call decision to cut Hernandez "simply the right thing to do" [url=http://t.co/Vsr75LyUCI]Patriots call Hernandez release “the right thing to do” | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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