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[url=http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/13533995/split-nfl-new-england-patriots-apart]From Spygate to Deflategate: Inside what split the NFL and New England Patriots apart[/url]

Yeah...fuck Goodell for how he handle Spygate.


Also, fuck the Patriots and their cheating asses. They should have been hammered. If Sean Payton got a year suspension, BB should have received more than that.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1119432][url=http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/13533995/split-nfl-new-england-patriots-apart]From Spygate to Deflategate: Inside what split the NFL and New England Patriots apart[/url]

Yeah...fuck Goodell for how he handle Spygate.


Also, fuck the Patriots and their cheating asses. They should have been hammered. If Sean Payton got a year suspension, BB should have received more than that.[/quote]

That was a novel, but an interesting read nonetheless. It simply confirms what most of us already knew.

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im so sick of this crap...can we just move on already? media loves to fan this bullshit, im just ready for some football and just quit with this patriots drama.

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[quote=Chico23231;1119459]im so sick of this crap...can we just move on already? media loves to fan this bullshit, im just ready for some football and just quit with this patriots drama.[/quote]

Hey, atleast it takes the focus of the Redskins drama..

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[quote=Chico23231;1119459]im so sick of this crap...can we just move on already? media loves to fan this bullshit, im just ready for some football and just quit with this patriots drama.[/quote]

I think it is much ado about nothing. Pretty sure there has been many a football
played with in the NFL outside of the limits. Teams have tried to spy on each other in the NFL since 1920. Kind of like when colleges get caught gifting things to players and doctoring grades, everyone freaks out and is shocked. News flash, they all do it, some are just better at hiding it.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1119462]I think it is much ado about nothing. Pretty sure there has been many a football
played with in the NFL outside of the limits. Teams have tried to spy on each other in the NFL since 1920. Kind of like when colleges get caught gifting things to players and doctoring grades, everyone freaks out and is shocked. News flash, they all do it, some are just better at hiding it.[/quote]

The ironic part is that this is probably the cleanest the game has ever been played..

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1119462]I think it is much ado about nothing. Pretty sure there has been many a football
played with in the NFL outside of the limits. Teams have tried to spy on each other in the NFL since 1920. Kind of like when colleges get caught gifting things to players and doctoring grades, everyone freaks out and is shocked. News flash, they all do it, some are just better at hiding it.[/quote]

I completely agree with you about hiding it. I think it is just like bounty gate, which was dumb too. Just people finding out what the NFL is actually like. Same thing about domestic abuse/alcohol/drug abuse and all the "new" cases.

I also think it is hilarious that the NFL/ESPN decided to release all this information after the deflategate news.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1119462]I think it is much ado about nothing. Pretty sure there has been many a football
played with in the NFL outside of the limits. Teams have tried to spy on each other in the NFL since 1920. Kind of like when colleges get caught gifting things to players and doctoring grades, everyone freaks out and is shocked. News flash, they all do it, some are just better at hiding it.[/quote]



Agree ,I still think 90% of all the hate for the Pats is jealousy.

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[quote=Giantone;1119500]Agree ,I still think 90% of all the hate for the Pats is jealousy.[/quote]

I just read a SI article that said 19 of the other 29 teams take special precautions when they play the Pats, that they do not take vs any other team. I find it hard to believe that teams who have so much game prep to do normally would make extra work just because of jealousy.

I think it is widely believed that they cheat, I think people who leave the organization admit cheating and word gets around.

So if you are the NFL and don't care about cheating then you can ignore it, but if you want to keep the integrity of your games then you have to go after the Pats.

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[QUOTE=Hijinx;1119515]I just read a SI article that said 19 of the other 29 teams take special precautions when they play the Pats, that they do not take vs any other team. I find it hard to believe that teams who have so much game prep to do normally would make extra work just because of jealousy.



I think it is widely believed that they cheat, I think people who leave the organization admit cheating and word gets around.



So if you are the NFL and don't care about cheating then you can ignore it, but if you want to keep the integrity of your games then you have to go after the Pats.[/QUOTE]



Exactly, this was not just about deflategate. Every team doctors the footballs; it's the accumulation of past transgressions.

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[quote=Hijinx;1119515]I just read a SI article that said 19 of the other 29 teams take special precautions when they play the Pats, that they do not take vs any other team. I find it hard to believe that teams who have so much game prep to do normally would make extra work just because of jealousy.

I think it is widely believed that they cheat, I think people who leave the organization admit cheating and word gets around.

So if you are the NFL and don't care about cheating then you can ignore it, but if you want to keep the integrity of your games then you have to go after the Pats.[/quote]

There's cheating and there's rule bending. I think the Pats have mostly danced along the lines and done everything they can to win games but I haven't heard anything that I would consider cheating other than jamming radios etc. Anyone who thinks BB just came up with all this stuff on his own and that none of it has occurred elsewhere in the league is naive.

I have no issue with cleaning it up but a good commissioner knows how to fix problems in the shadows. If you want to fix a marriage, you don't go to the media and call her an alcoholic whore, you talk about it privately. Goodell did nothing to improve the leagues image, he only devalued it by dragging the sports biggest star through the mud without considering the implications and without having his act together.

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[quote=RedskinJake;1119533]There's cheating and there's rule bending. I think the Pats have mostly danced along the lines and done everything they can to win games but I haven't heard anything that I would consider cheating other than jamming radios etc. Anyone who thinks BB just came up with all this stuff on his own and that none of it has occurred elsewhere in the league is naive.

I have no issue with cleaning it up but a good commissioner knows how to fix problems in the shadows. If you want to fix a marriage, you don't go to the media and call her an alcoholic whore, you talk about it privately. Goodell did nothing to improve the leagues image, he only devalued it by dragging the sports biggest star through the mud without considering the implications and without having his act together.[/quote]

I don't know if I can call sneaking into opposing locker rooms and hotel rooms to steal playbooks/game material as "bending" the rules.

And I do not believe that "everyone does it" line.

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[quote=Hijinx;1119560]I don't know if I can call sneaking into opposing locker rooms and hotel rooms to steal playbooks/game material as "bending" the rules.

And I do not believe that "everyone does it" line.[/quote]

There are teams doing each one of those things in the league. The difference is that BB is doing them all..

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To everything, there is right and wrong. However, in all but the rarest cases, there is all a substantial amount of gray. To me, the Pats and BB are like a guy I prosecuted once.

He started out in what everyone would agree is a "gray area" between right and wrong. Over the years, he kept inching the line between "gray" and "wrong" further and further - always justifying his actions as just pushing the limits of the law and convincing himself that "Hey, I am still in the gray area.". After several years of this, however, every objective observer of his business practices concluded "Nope, you may have once been in the gray, but you are now firmly ensconced in "wrong."

To me, Belichick is just like that guy - pushing, bending, stretching every rule he can. As a result, he's convinced of his lack of wrong doing and most everyone else just looks and says "No, that's just not right."

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Wow.

[quote]Inside a room accessible only to Belichick and a few others, they found a library of scouting material containing videotapes of opponents' signals, with detailed notes matching signals to plays for many teams going back seven seasons. Among them were handwritten diagrams of the defensive signals of the Pittsburgh Steelers, including the notes used in the January 2002 AFC Championship Game won by the Patriots 24-17.[/quote]

[url=http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/13533995/split-nfl-new-england-patriots-apart]From Spygate to Deflategate: Inside what split the NFL and New England Patriots apart[/url]