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[QUOTE=Giantone;1179177]So tax relief for the rich while screwing middle Americans and getting rid of regulations that watched out for the welfare of Americans is good for business. Sorry ,BS.[/QUOTE]You talk about Trumpeteers, but this post has 0 critical thinking attached. There are thousands of regulations that have grown out of decades of unfettered bureacracy. We certainly can look at pruning them without [add overly dramatic tone here] putting the welfare of the nation at risk.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1179127]If you take Ms. Brazile's claim, and the fact that the DNC + HC spent a shit load of money on the dossier, it seems almost inevitable that HC certainly was involved with that. It also makes you wonder a lot more about why HC dumped thousands of emails, and why the DNC wouldn't let the FBI look at the hacking situation.

I have heard repeatedly about the philosophy of "where there is smoke there is fire" around Trump and Russia, I wonder why the same media/politico's aren't saying the same thing about the Democratic side of things. (I don't really wonder, it's just so blatant it's amazing)[/quote]
Like her or not Hillary was a politician and as SoS she had dealings with Russia and knew how the game is played,trump did and does not know his left from his right ,Obama dealt with Russia too.Explain why Russia would rather have trump as President,explain why Russia would spend so much time electing trump if they and Hillary were so close and personal?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1179178]You talk about Trumpeteers, but this post has 0 critical thinking attached. There are thousands of regulations that have grown out of decades of unfettered bureacracy. We certainly can look at pruning them without [add overly dramatic tone here] putting the welfare of the nation at risk.[/quote]

No, we can't and that is the problem with the trump cult they want to dumb things down simplify things it seems that is how they scare their supporters.
Yes CR it is dramatic we are talking about the Presidency of the United States and a buffoon is now president and it is "critical".

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Russia wanted to sew dischord in our political structure. They played both sides of the fence I think equally effectively. It's not really complicated they tried to mess with their enemy in any way that they could. Putin obviously is very good at that.

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So are you saying that there are not any regulations that exist that can be pruned out?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1179182]So are you saying that there are not any regulations that exist that can be pruned out?[/quote]

You are the one that named "thousands" please go ahead.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1179181]Russia wanted to sew dischord in our political structure. They played both sides of the fence I think equally effectively. It's not really complicated they tried to mess with their enemy in any way that they could. Putin obviously is very good at that.[/quote]




No ,seemed Putin wanted trump.Pretty obvious.They hacked the DNC to make Hillary look bad,they took over trump websites to all so promote anti Hillary propaganda.That makes it "pro trump" simple.

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The trump effect has started. Decisive wins by Dems in the Governors races in NJ and VA.

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[quote=Giantone;1179229]The trump effect has started. Decisive wins by Dems in the Governors races in NJ and VA.[/quote]

Neither were upsets. So fake news

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[quote=Chico23231;1179230]Neither were upsets. So fake news[/quote]

Wrong again Chico.

[url=http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/07/politics/2017-us-election-highlights/index.html]Democrats sweep in Virginia, New Jersey - CNNPolitics[/url]


[url=http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2017/10/trumps_all_in_for_virginia_not_for_nj_in_governors_races.html]Trump's all in for Republican in Virginia governor race. Not so for Guadagno in N.J. | NJ.com[/url][U][/U]

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/11/07/winners-and-losers-from-election-day-2017/?utm_term=.d889e7f4a552[/url]

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1179230]Neither were upsets. So fake news[/QUOTE]Exactly. But the media lemmings are doing their best to obscure that fact. See G1's post for a prime example.

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Upsets or not it’s still relevant news.

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[quote=Giantone;1179231]Wrong again Chico.

[url=http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/07/politics/2017-us-election-highlights/index.html]Democrats sweep in Virginia, New Jersey - CNNPolitics[/url]


[url=http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2017/10/trumps_all_in_for_virginia_not_for_nj_in_governors_races.html]Trump's all in for Republican in Virginia governor race. Not so for Guadagno in N.J. | NJ.com[/url][U][/U]

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/11/07/winners-and-losers-from-election-day-2017/?utm_term=.d889e7f4a552[/url][/quote]

NJ and VA have been blue states in statewide elections? What are you missing?

Simple biased media reports...ok go to your bubble, your safe place.

Northam back to track from support of sanctuary cities to now his stance to eliminate any thought of sanctuary cities.....helped him.

When it comes down to my state, we are in a pretty good shape because of balance from both sides. Democrats here are the moderate of the most moderates in the country...and that's a fact historically. Low state taxes, good mix within the economy, and overall good diversity within the state, Guilesppi vs Northam in the big picture doesn't really move the needle.

Any other lessons today based on facts and not liberal fake news media, just reach out and post. thanks bud

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[quote=MTK;1179233]Upsets or not it’s still relevant news.[/quote]

not really, from a federal point of view or statewide for either NJ or VA. It really isn't...huge news if either would have gone for a GOP nominee.

Northam is a moderate of moderates...he had to switch positions to win.

But a win is a win.

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Last year's presidential map for VA
[IMG]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8e/Virginia_Presidential_Election_Results_2016.svg/343px-Virginia_Presidential_Election_Results_2016.svg.png[/IMG]
Last night's map for VA
[URL="https://www.cnn.com/election/2017/"][IMG]https://dohdeick6sqa6.cloudfront.net/screenshots/production/live-governor-counties/51@lg.png?t=2017-11-08T14:34:25.613Z[/IMG][/URL]

You have to click to go to CNN, but the bottom line is that the vote last night was nearly identical to the vote a year ago. Trump didn't win the state, and Gillespie didn't either. If you want to make a story of it, you could easily make it one along the lines of, Even with all Trump's negative media his voters stayed with him.

The same is true in NJ. The districts broke down in similar line with the 2016 election.


To Matty's point, it is relevant because elections always are, but it's not shocking, or an upset, or a trend away from Trump in the electorate of these states.