Re: Election Day November 5,2024
 

[quote=Coff;1366967]Trump has no intention to carry out the mass deportations, imho. Like the wall, it’s just a ruse to drum up support among those easily manipulated by nativism. By some estimates, 40% of agricultural workers in the US are undocumented. Mass deportations would cause a disruption to the industry’s workforce that would bankrupt farms and food processing plants from coast to coast; we’d no longer be talking inflation, we’d be talking empty shelves. Trump understands this and doesn’t intend on doing it. He’s going to feign an attempt at deportation, there will be an immediate challenge in the courts, and instead of fighting them, he’ll blame liberals for getting in the way. In doing so, he’ll not only avoid criticism for failing to deliver on a BS campaign promise, he’ll actually solidify the support of those who fell for it in the first place.[/quote]

I agree with this in part. He'll most likely will focus on the big cities LA/NYC/Chicago in liberal states, and leave the farmers in Wyoming/Idaho/Iowa alone. If not, he'll find out very soon the consequences of fucking around. That said, if a guy like Stephen Miller is at it, I wouldn't put it past him to do it all.

Re: Election Day November 5,2024
 

[quote=Chico23231;1366983]Like it or not President Trump is an iconic figure now….right now in the early 21st century, the most historic, most recognized, most talked about, most wildly covered around the world….for better or for worst. He is an icon. [/quote]

Most people do not view him in a good way. In fact, Harris favorability was higher than Trumps. The Republican party is definitely the party of Trump. It change from the glory worshiping of Reagan to bowing down before dear leader Trump. Notice, both were celebrities/actors.

Chico,

Here is the thing. What happens when Trump is no longer there. Trumpism doesn't exist without Trump. Nobody has that celebrity status or charisma (good or bad) like he has. JD Vance sure hasn't got it, neither does Nikki Haley, Don Jr. etc.....

Nobody does. Like Reagan, they aren't going to be able to duplicate that success. I heard that in one state, there were 70,000 votes for Trump that didn't select any of the down ballot races. That tells you they were there voting for Trump and Trump only. Once he's gone, you can say goodbye to those voters again.

Re: Election Day November 5,2024
 

So wait, the economy is good now? It somehow magically got better in two weeks. ROFL

[url]https://www.politico.com/news/2024/11/17/republicans-trump-win-economy-election-security-confidence-00189941[/url]

Re: Election Day November 5,2024
 

[quote=NC_Skins;1367944]Most people do not view him in a good way. In fact, Harris favorability was higher than Trumps. The Republican party is definitely the party of Trump. It change from the glory worshiping of Reagan to bowing down before dear leader Trump. Notice, both were celebrities/actors.

Chico,

Here is the thing. What happens when Trump is no longer there. Trumpism doesn't exist without Trump. Nobody has that celebrity status or charisma (good or bad) like he has. JD Vance sure hasn't got it, neither does Nikki Haley, Don Jr. etc.....

Nobody does. Like Reagan, they aren't going to be able to duplicate that success. I heard that in one state, there were 70,000 votes for Trump that didn't select any of the down ballot races. That tells you they were there voting for Trump and Trump only. Once he's gone, you can say goodbye to those voters again.[/quote]

All this aside, it will be Trump remembered over Bush, Clinton and Obama in history from this period of time. Modern day Grover Cleveland feat with a comeback like this was amazing despite every measurement you and others name. He defied everything and persevered.

He’s an American Icon, this election solidifies the status.

Re: Election Day November 5,2024
 

Plenty of people who voted for him know he's garbage, but they don't care as long as they own the libs even when it comes to voting against their own best interests. We have a big problem when it comes to critical thinking in this country.

Re: Election Day November 5,2024
 

[quote=Chico23231;1367978]All this aside, it will be Trump remembered over Bush, Clinton and Obama in history from this period of time. Modern day Grover Cleveland feat with a comeback like this was amazing despite every measurement you and others name. He defied everything and persevered.

He’s an American Icon, this election solidifies the status.[/quote]

You think a convicted sexual predator as President will be remember before the First African American President?

Re: Election Day November 5,2024
 

[quote=Giantone;1367992]You think a convicted sexual predator as President will be remember before the First African American President?[/quote]

That’s a great historic asterisk with no achievements other than the direct delivery of Trump to the White House twice without a back to back. Gen X voters who delivered Obama terms effectively ushered out Obama’s legacy moving to back Trump a second time. And did so in damaging fashion.

It’s a full rejection of identity politics and purist elitism which Obama’s Democrat party embraced over a common sense middle class.

It matters that Trump had to overcome a strong opposition within the federal government he inherited who effectively, along with an opposition press, tried to throw him out of office with no substantive evidence or crime committed. Couple that with lawfare , DOJ prosecution, struggles within his own party, a lab leaked world wide Pandemic and multiple assassination attempts. Sorry he overcame all that…this is politics, nobody’s overcome that before.

Plus, he’s simply more interesting.

Story isn’t over, gotta mend a nation and deliver

Re: Election Day November 5,2024
 

[quote=Chico23231;1367978]All this aside, it will be Trump remembered over Bush, Clinton and Obama in history from this period of time. Modern day Grover Cleveland feat with a comeback like this was amazing despite every measurement you and others name. He defied everything and persevered.

He’s an American Icon, this election solidifies the status.[/quote]

That's not remotely true. Many of his voters actually hate him, but somehow convince themselves he's better than the Dems. My own mother doesn't like him, and still votes R because she's always voted R.


I think his cult members will remember him fondly but not the rest of civilization. Think about it, EVERY single member of his original cabinet did not endorse him except for Nikki Haley. That's unprecedented.

This comeback was due to inflation spiking. Had it not, he wouldn't be walking into the office come January. We all know that.

Re: Election Day November 5,2024
 

[quote=Chico23231;1367978]All this aside, it will be Trump remembered over Bush, Clinton and Obama in history from this period of time. Modern day Grover Cleveland feat with a comeback like this was amazing despite every measurement you and others name. He defied everything and persevered.

He’s an American Icon, this election solidifies the status.[/quote]

I'm sure but remembered in the same vein as Nero being more well known than Trajan, Hadrian and Marcus Aurelious. Question for you on this bit "....with no substantive evidence or crime committed." Were you just talking about the time before he lost the election in 2020? If so, somewhat true but after that election there was a shit load of substantive evidence of criminal activity on his part during that period. Had the Dems not nominated such a passive AG who never moved on the case, it is likely he'd have been tried for those crimes.

Re: Election Day November 5,2024
 

[quote=NC_Skins;1367994]That's not remotely true. Many of his voters actually hate him, but somehow convince themselves he's better than the Dems. My own mother doesn't like him, and still votes R because she's always voted R.


I think his cult members will remember him fondly but not the rest of civilization. Think about it, EVERY single member of his original cabinet did not endorse him except for Nikki Haley. That's unprecedented.

This comeback was due to inflation spiking. Had it not, he wouldn't be walking into the office come January. We all know that.[/quote]

Wokeism which was tied to the Dems also played a substantial part, but that was an oncoming train that was heading their way for over a decade (and I'm still not sure the Dems learned that lesson given their reaction to Dem Congressman Moulton highlighting that problem).

Re: Election Day November 5,2024
 

As more often than not Bill Maher hits the problem he is addressing right on the head.

[url]https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2024/11/16/bill_maher_im_so_mad_at_the_democrats_and_their_aggressively_anti-common_sense_agenda.html[/url]

Re: Election Day November 5,2024
 

Let's not forget that Trump not only beat Democratic nominees but also a large field of GOP candidates for the nomination in 2016 and then, even after 1/6/21, didn't even debate and still crushed Haley and DeSantis. Lets not pretend that the traditional GOP us without issue.

And that still doesnt erase the fact that many Republicans would not have voted for Trump if he had ran with the same America First platform, but as a Dem.

Re: Election Day November 5,2024
 

[quote=hail2commanders;1368000]Let's not forget that Trump not only beat Democratic nominees but also a large field of GOP candidates for the nomination in 2016 and then, even after 1/6/21, didn't even debate and still crushed Haley and DeSantis. Lets not pretend that the traditional GOP us without issue.

And that still doesnt erase the fact that many Republicans would not have voted for Trump if he had ran with the same America First platform, but as a Dem.[/quote]

Well in 2016 the only reason Trump won the nomination is because it was such a large field any one of them would have beaten him but 17 refused to get out of each other's way paving the path for Trumps rise. Damn shame really.

Re: Election Day November 5,2024
 

[quote=nonniey;1368001]Well in 2016 the only reason Trump won the nomination is because it was such a large field any one of them would have beaten him but 17 refused to get out of each other's way paving the path for Trumps rise. Damn shame really.[/quote]

I know that's been the conventional.wisdom, but I'm not even sure I buy it anymore. Maybe going head to head against Rubio or Christie would've exposed him, but I just don't know. The GOP base and a large number of indies look past the buffoonery.

Re: Election Day November 5,2024
 

[quote=NC_Skins;1367994]That's not remotely true. Many of his voters actually hate him, but somehow convince themselves he's better than the Dems. My own mother doesn't like him, and still votes R because she's always voted R.


I think his cult members will remember him fondly but not the rest of civilization. Think about it, EVERY single member of his original cabinet did not endorse him except for Nikki Haley. That's unprecedented.

This comeback was due to inflation spiking. Had it not, he wouldn't be walking into the office come January. We all know that.[/quote]

I mentioned he overcame folks within his own party. It’s obvious he didn’t support the Bush folks…it’s documented he met with them and didn’t offer them jobs or a seat at the table, that’s why they got big mad and started the never trump movement which failed miserably but they made a lot of money! Thanks nbc news and Comcast!

Trump didn’t like what the GOP did in the 2000s, with the economy and Iraq war. You do know this right? You do know Dick Chaney endorsed Kamala?

I mean, I remember Dems calling Chaney a war criminal.

But yeah, it’s part of the reason he’s will be remembered as an icon, overcoming strong factions within his own party

Bernie couldn’t do it, the party twice united to destroy his chances…he’s the only example I can think of in the Democratic Party to truly rebel against Dem positions multiple times.

Usually Dems just get in line: yeah killing a child on its day of birth is perfectly fine, yeah minor sex changes are beautiful, yeah Israel is committing genocide, yeah violent criminals should be giving grace, yeah all white people are racist, etc

You guys don’t even hear yourself anymore. Of course Trump changed the party, they actually removed a lot of folks Democrats opposed vehemently at one time…but now embrace? Weird