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the best economic decade was definitely in the 90's, when Clinton was in power. i love how you say wasted money was given back to the people. do you realize this administration has the biggest national deficit of all time? the budget was balanced, and there was surplus money, when a democrat left office. thats why i don't understand how people believe the Dem's are the free spending party. Bush has spent more on this war alone. he seems willing to give money to any foreign country that asks. the spending in Washington is way out of control.

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and whomever takes the presidency next will have one hell of a financial mess to try and fix. taxes seem like the answer. for some reason govt keeps growing while old W. resides in power. probably trying to satisfy all his friends. i still remember how bill Clinton tried to establish the office of homeland security, only to be laughed at by a republican congress. saying there wasn't a need. who is the joke on now?

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[QUOTE=dmek25;324471]the best economic decade was definitely in the 90's, when Clinton was in power.[/quote]

How is that? Bush has had a better unemployment rate, the interest rates were at an all time low, and more people are making more money.

[quote]i love how you say wasted money was given back to the people. do you realize this administration has the biggest national deficit of all time? [/quote]
Yes, but I beg you to tell me the significance of having a "national deficit". We've had it for an EXTREMELY long time, and it has yet to affect us.
Of course we know it's high, it's been high for a long time. It was at an all time high when Clinton was in office, Bush just doesn't care that it keeps getting higher, frankly why should he care? What is the significance? I have asked this SEVERAL times over the years, and not a single person can tell me how this is important other than to say Bush got it this way. Well, that's nice, now tell me how this affects us.

[quote]the budget was balanced, and there was surplus money, when a democrat left office. [/quote]

Keep in mind the deficit was still there, Clinton budgeted for it to be gone after many, many years. In other words it would have never panned out because times change and things change.

[quote]thats why i don't understand how people believe the Dem's are the free spending party. Bush has spent more on this war alone. he seems willing to give money to any foreign country that asks. the spending in Washington is way out of control.[/QUOTE]

I don't think we are "overspending" when it comes to protection. You can't tell me that Al Queda was not a threat. Why do dems want to turn their heads to the threats in the world? Clinton turned his head towards these problems and left them to Bush, Bush has no choice but to spend on it. If Clinton did back in his day, we wouldn't be in as rough shape as we are. Clinton had a different priority and that priority was giving our hard earned money away to people who didn't deserve it, and no priority into national defense. I disagreed with it then, and I still disagree with it. There was no real way of Clinton knowing this all would happen, but he was in a position to protect us and he didn't. Bush is.

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[QUOTE=dmek25;324472]and whomever takes the presidency next will have one hell of a financial mess to try and fix. taxes seem like the answer. [/QUOTE]

Well, like it or not, we are in a war, and it needs to be completed. When that war is done, we still have many other threats that we need to be protected from. We are in the age of full blown terrorism people, there is only one way to deal with it and that's to try to eliminate it, and protect us from it. So whoever takes over will have bigger issues than the national deficit. If some dem takes over and thinks the deficit should be the #1 issue, we all better move out of the country.

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very classy. You make dems everywhere proud with those kinds of comments.
If he sucks so bad, what would you do better? Don't be a John Kerry and "say" you'd do something different, tell us how you would do it.

ps- relax dmek, I understand that not all of you are like that.

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[quote=jsarno;324491]very classy. You make dems everywhere proud with those kinds of comments.
If he sucks so bad, what would you do better? Don't be a John Kerry and "say" you'd do something different, tell us how you would do it.

ps- relax dmek, I understand that not all of you are like that.[/quote]

I'm just joking around. Sort of.

Well for one I would not have 155,000 of our troops out in Iraq being blown up by IED's everyday and getting shot by snipers. I'm sick and tired to seeing our troops being killed. And for what? To overthrow a dictator who was NO THREAT to the Amercian people? Give me a damn break. Almost 3,600 have died and thousands have injured beyond repair. Does Bush give a shit? Nope. See, he doesn't care about all the death and destruction he has caused. I hope Bush chokes on a piece of chicken this 4th of July. I honestly hate his guts.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;324493]I'm just joking around. Sort of.

To overthrow a dictator who was NO THREAT to the Amercian people? [/QUOTE]

Your entire post is ignorable due to that one sentence. Your comment is absurd.

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[quote=jsarno;324491]very classy. You make dems everywhere proud with those kinds of comments.
If he sucks so bad, what would you do better? Don't be a John Kerry and "say" you'd do something different, tell us how you would do it.

[B]ps- relax dmek, I understand that not all of you are like that[/B].[/quote]
thanks. i think the difference in our beliefs lies in the fact that i do not think the U.S. is at war. when at war, enemies are well defined, and you kill or capture them. in Iraq, we are battling a way of life, a philosophy. this will not be conquered by the united states, it has to come from within enough of the Iraqi people. i just don't see them wanting it bad enough

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and jsarno, i appreciate the civilized discussion. i had a guy at work that shared your beliefs, and we used to talk all the time. but he switched crews, and i hardly ever talk to him anymore

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[quote=jsarno;324496]Your entire post is ignorable due to that one sentence. Your comment is absurd.[/quote]

Well, that's your opinion. I have mine and I'll stick to it.....along with most of the American people.

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Sad part.
More people joined the Mother'f the President thread than said Happy Birthday to this great Nation.

It's your Freedom I guess but a sad state of America that more folks point fingers then clap for the Country.

peace

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18 post to mother'f the President

4 to say Thanks for a great Nation

peace

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[quote=Sammy Baugh Fan;324520]18 post to mother'f the President

4 to say Thanks for a great Nation

peace[/quote]

The most patriotic thing an American can do at the present time is to effect the impeachment of George W. Bush. The Bush regime is a criminal, anti-American regime that has attacked the foundations of our Republic and the rule of law.
It is far more dangerous to our freedom than terrorism or the civil war in Iraq, which was created in the first place by the Bush's gang's thirst for power and oil.
There are few better ways to celebrate the country's birth than to resolve to oust a tyrant and return our nation to greatness . Happy July 4 to all.

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[quote=70Chip;324105]The future of Detroit is in Detroit. The future of America is in Pheonix and Dallas and Atlanta and Washington D.C. People in the old factory areas have been singing this tune for years. Literally. Allentown came out in 1982. Those days are long gone. It's sink or swim on your own now. Nobody owes anybody anything.[/quote]

Tell that to your parents, your teachers, our military, our cops, firemen, and dedicated people of conscience who serve your needs everyday without gitting zip for their services.

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[quote=jsarno;322543]Well, yes and no, but they just don't know any better. 95%+ of Americans are lazy and are easily persuadable. They don't like the fact that we are overseas fighting, (honestly who does?) and the Dems screaming "Bush lied" when it's not true, persuades them to take an even more aggressive stance. Dems cause problems, and offer NO solutions. Sorry if that is offensive.
At no time in history has one group of people agreed with sending troops overseas. There are always those that disagree with it. WW1, WW2 had a lot of people that didn't agree with it, but does that mean that we should have backed out? Absolutely not.
I'm sorry, but the Iraq mission is not done. I would never teach my kids to quit something they started because it got tough, and I appreciate the fact that we (USA) won't finish until the job is done, and we were flat out told that! There is absolutely no point in backing out now when the likely scenario would be that Iraq would fall back into their old ways and that makes all the lives lost all for not. So unless you can guarentee Iraq has changed for the best and won't go back to where they were, then we're not done.[/quote]

The easily persuadable people of the world are primarily the ones who follow national and/or charmatic leaders who are best at putting the propaganda out there. They tend to support authoritarian monsters and gravitate toward a given power structure rather than question it. Their worse trait, of course, is that they think they think for themselves when in fact they spout cliches and back the party line.

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[QUOTE=Crazyhorse1;324524]The most patriotic thing an American can do at the present time is to effect the impeachment of George W. Bush. The Bush regime is a criminal, anti-American regime that has attacked the foundations of our Republic and the rule of law.
It is far more dangerous to our freedom than terrorism or the civil war in Iraq, which was created in the first place by the Bush's gang's thirst for power and oil.
There are few better ways to celebrate the country's birth than to resolve to oust a tyrant and return our nation to greatness . Happy July 4 to all.[/QUOTE]

You'd have to impeach a lot of Presidents over the course of history if you want nothing but rainbows and lollipops all day.

War is ugly. Politics are shady. Life's a bitch. Always been that way, always will.

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[QUOTE=Sammy Baugh Fan;324519]Sad part.
More people joined the Mother'f the President thread than said Happy Birthday to this great Nation.

It's your Freedom I guess but a sad state of America that more folks point fingers then clap for the Country.

peace[/QUOTE]

I hear that SBF. Sort of pathetic how some people just like to complain about everything with this country. Yet forget that at least this country gives them the freedom to complain.

But whatever, the season is almost upon us and those who are here just to spout their political obsessions will either start talking football or just leave.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;324531]I hear that SBF. Sort of pathetic how some people just like to complain about everything with this country. Yet forget that at least this country gives them the freedom to complain.

But whatever, the season is almost upon us and those who are here just to spout their political obsessions will either start talking football or just leave.[/QUOTE]

Yeah bro, gotta love a VOTE.
It' says Volumes.

peace to ya'll

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[QUOTE=Crazyhorse1;324524]The most patriotic thing an American can do at the present time is to effect the impeachment of George W. Bush. The Bush regime is a criminal, anti-American regime that has attacked the foundations of our Republic and the rule of law.
It is far more dangerous to our freedom than terrorism or the civil war in Iraq, which was created in the first place by the Bush's gang's thirst for power and oil.
There are few better ways to celebrate the country's birth than to resolve to oust a tyrant and return our nation to greatness . Happy July 4 to all.[/QUOTE]

But yer not bitter st least.
lol

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[quote=Crazyhorse1;324524]The most patriotic thing an American can do at the present time is to effect the impeachment of George W. Bush. The Bush regime is a criminal, anti-American regime that has attacked the foundations of our Republic and the rule of law.
It is far more dangerous to our freedom than terrorism or the civil war in Iraq, which was created in the first place by the Bush's gang's thirst for power and oil.
There are few better ways to celebrate the country's birth than to resolve to oust a tyrant and return our nation to greatness . Happy July 4 to all.[/quote]


Yes, Impeach the president and then the rest of the world will like us and leave us alone..............???????????????

I got an idea we can put a sissy in office so that we can get run over by the world while we actually think that we are winning the hearts and minds of the likes of the Taliban and other terrorist groups.

Let your local Government decide what age you can get married and drink and leave Global Affairs to the President.

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[QUOTE=dmek25;324503]and jsarno, i appreciate the civilized discussion. i had a guy at work that shared your beliefs, and we used to talk all the time. but he switched crews, and i hardly ever talk to him anymore[/QUOTE]

Right back at you! While we are obviously on way different sides of the fence, I appreciate you not making this a name calling discussion and telling me I am stupid, and I am sure visa versa.
I have a buddy that is a staunch dem. and a huge yankees fan...how we became friends is beyond me since I hate the Yankees and I about as far from being a dem as humanly possible. We would have 2 hour long discussions easy, and when we were done we would sit there like we just ran a marathon. Mentally exhausting. It's a lot of fun though.
For as much as we want to complain about the other persons views, we both know that not much can or will be done about it.

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[quote=SmootSmack;324531]I hear that SBF. Sort of pathetic how some people just like to complain about everything with this country. Yet forget that at least this country gives them the freedom to complain.

But whatever, the season is almost upon us and those who are here just to spout their political obsessions will either start talking football or just leave.[/quote]

Our country hasn't given anyone the freedom to do anything. The Constitution is a recognition that all men have natural rights that can not be denied by a government (remember life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness). Our forefathers have fought and died for this principle. Why mess it up now. There's no gift involved. When our government begins to think that it is the grantor or denier of freedom, there's a remedy-- impeachment.

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[QUOTE=Crazyhorse1;324605]Our country hasn't given anyone the freedom to do anything. The Constitution is a recognition that all men have natural rights that can not be denied by a government (remember life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness). Our forefathers have fought and died for this principle. Why mess it up now. There's no gift involved. When our government begins to think that it is the grantor or denier of freedom, there's a remedy-- impeachment.[/QUOTE]

Fine, whatever. Continue your crusade.

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[quote=SmootSmack;324530]You'd have to impeach a lot of Presidents over the course of history if you want nothing but rainbows and lollipops all day.

War is ugly. Politics are shady. Life's a bitch. Always been that way, always will.[/quote]


I'm a student of history and can say without doubt that not even Nixon rivaled Bush in relation to contempt for law and for the American political sysem. Nor has there been such a liar, criminal, or sociopath with so little respect for other nations and human life in general. No other president has established torture as policy and lied us into a war. The man is not only incompetent, he is also a monster.



War is ugly-- never go to war unnecessarily.

Politics are shady-- clean it up.

Life's a bitch-- make it better.

Always been that way, always will-- time for a change.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;324589]Right back at you! While we are obviously on way different sides of the fence, I appreciate you not making this a name calling discussion and telling me I am stupid, and I am sure visa versa.
I have a buddy that is a staunch dem. and a huge yankees fan...how we became friends is beyond me since I hate the Yankees and [B]I about as far from being a dem as humanly possible[/B]. We would have 2 hour long discussions easy, and when we were done we would sit there like we just ran a marathon. Mentally exhausting. It's a lot of fun though.
For as much as we want to complain about the other persons views, we both know that not much can or will be done about it.[/QUOTE]

Whatever Puff McGee, that isn't entirely true ;)

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[quote=angryssg;324580]Yes, Impeach the president and then the rest of the world will like us and leave us alone..............???????????????

I got an idea we can put a sissy in office so that we can get run over by the world while we actually think that we are winning the hearts and minds of the likes of the Taliban and other terrorist groups.

Let your local Government decide what age you can get married and drink and leave Global Affairs to the President.[/quote]

Leaving global affairs to a moron is probably not a good idea. Bush is probably the most sissified President in U.S. history. He freezes in crises, he went AWOL when Vietnam was on the agenda, he travels with literally thousands of body guards and advance men, and has typically spoken only to friendly crowds. He is also now about half nuts with failure to tolerate stress. He whines in the White House, hides in locked rooms, goes hysterical with rages, can't stay at his desk, vacations about one out of three days, works short hours, fails to discipline his children or stand up to Chaney, and recently yelled at his wife using the C word.

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[QUOTE=djnemo65;324624]Whatever Puff McGee, that isn't entirely true ;)[/QUOTE]

Hahaha, that was pretty funny. Made this idiotic thread worthwhile for a second

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[quote=Crazyhorse1;324615]I'm a student of history and can say without doubt that not even Nixon rivaled Bush in relation to contempt for law and for the American political sysem. Nor has there been such a liar, criminal, or sociopath with so little respect for other nations and human life in general. No other president has established torture as policy and lied us into a war. The man is not only incompetent, he is also a monster.



War is ugly-- never go to war unnecessarily.

Politics are shady-- clean it up.

Life's a bitch-- make it better.[/quote]

[yt]ivhAJ2MqJCg[/yt]

Watch the whole thing and then tell me that this war is unnecessary!

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;324628]Hahaha, that was pretty funny. Made this idiotic thread worthwhile for a second[/QUOTE]

There only one aspect of this thread that is idiotic.

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[quote=dmek25;324471]the best economic decade was definitely in the 90's, when Clinton was in power. i love how you say wasted money was given back to the people. do you realize this administration has the biggest national deficit of all time? the budget was balanced, and there was surplus money, when a democrat left office. thats why i don't understand how people believe the Dem's are the free spending party. Bush has spent more on this war alone. he seems willing to give money to any foreign country that asks. the spending in Washington is way out of control.[/quote]

There's no question the best decade, at least in my lifetime, was during the '90s, under Clinton's presidency. The "Tech Boom", as we know it, reached epic proportions during his administration. Yes, Reagan did have a successful reign, but some will argue, vehemently, I might add, that under his presidency he further widened the gap between the haves and the have nots. The cutting and slashing of many social programs crippled many Americans.

Not everyone was impressed with Clinton's presidency, but the ecomonic success that was achieved is undeniable. To some extent the same can be said of the Reagan era, but I think it tends to get more credit than it deserves.

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[quote=Crazyhorse1;324625]Leaving global affairs to a moron is probably not a good idea. Bush is probably the most sissified President in U.S. history. He freezes in crises, he went AWOL when Vietnam was on the agenda, he travels with literally thousands of body guards and advance men, and has typically spoken only to friendly crowds. He is also now about half nuts with failure to tolerate stress. He whines in the White House, hides in locked rooms, goes hysterical with rages, can't stay at his desk, vacations about one out of three days, works short hours, fails to discipline his children or stand up to Chaney, and recently yelled at his wife using the C word.[/quote]
Please give us a link to thes facts that you have made up.

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[quote=dmek25;324472]and whomever takes the presidency next will have one hell of a financial mess to try and fix. taxes seem like the answer. for some reason govt keeps growing while old W. resides in power. probably trying to satisfy all his friends. i still remember how bill Clinton tried to establish the office of homeland security, only to be laughed at by a republican congress. saying there wasn't a need. who is the joke on now?[/quote]
Please give us a link or anything that shows that Clinton tried to form a homeland security. I'm not saying he didn't but this is the first I have ever heard of this and I think with all of the talk over the years about who did what before 9/11 I would have heard something about this.

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I read once that whenever Presidents go to Camp David or their vacation homes (Martha's Vineyard for Clinton, Crawford and Kennebunkport for Bush as examples) those are classified as "vacation days"

Which is a bit misleading, because they still conduct business such as Bush meeting with Putin in Kennebunkport

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Regardless of your party affiliation, the President's don't take VTO like we are accustomed to. I would be stunned if they get "a day" without moment by moment BS.
That's why they come out of office looking about 30 years older!

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[QUOTE=djnemo65;324624]Whatever Puff McGee, that isn't entirely true ;)[/QUOTE]

LOL. That made me chuckle.

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[quote=firstdown;324722]Please give us a link to thes facts that you have made up.[/quote]

What? You haven't kept up with your reading? "Try Bush on the Couch" for one. Or just right Bush Nervous Breakdown, or Bush temper tandrums, on Google. Anything like that will get you hundreds of articles. Try Capitol Blues.
I haven't yet, but I think I will now, just for laughs. Try Bush Profanity or Bush
Mental Illness.

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Uh-oh CH is back.

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[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;325007]Uh-oh CH is back.[/QUOTE]

Talk about gear grinding. I REALLY want the season to start

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[quote=SmootSmack;325016]Talk about gear grinding. I REALLY want the season to start[/quote]


college ball is right around the corner.

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[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;325024]college ball is right around the corner.[/QUOTE]

NFL training camp is just 3 weeks away!