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[quote=Hog1;1115972]That does not appear to be the case as any party in the agreement can open a dispute at their discretion.
Maybe Obama forgot that in his speech?
It appears to give great latitude (and potentially months of "dispute process") to resolve. Not enough teeth and way to much BS to allow the PL Iranians to hide behind.

Negotiating with terrorists.....be damned, WTF are we doing letting this deal go down with 4 American hostages in Iranian prisons?
We should not have agreed to these terms. Perhaps we would have fared better if the Israeli's had negotiated our end.
This country is our enemy and as made no attempt to hide it. They have stated daily...hourly they will only rest when Israel, the West and specifically the U.S.A. have been wiped off the earth.
We treated it like a meeting at Ford motor with the UAW
WTF are we doing allowing any country to gain control of the assets that will be released to these maniacs to be subsequently...........used on us?[/quote]

great, when do you propose we start dropping nukes?

also, again, if we don't follow through, the sanctions fall apart and china and russia can start doing business as usual with them.

Russia was our enemy when the salt treaties etc were signed, somehow we managed to make it work and now no one is worried or practicing hiding under their desk to protect themselves from russian nukes. the solution that our enemies are our enemies and can never be anything besides our enemies is circular and self-fulfilling. If things don't work out they don't work out, but if you never try, you're guaranteeing a result you don't like.

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[quote=That Guy;1115978]great, when do you propose we start dropping nukes?

also, again, if we don't follow through, the sanctions fall apart and china and russia can start doing business as usual with them.

Russia was our enemy when the salt treaties etc were signed, somehow we managed to make it work and now no one is worried or practicing hiding under their desk to protect themselves from russian nukes. the solution that our enemies are our enemies and can never be anything besides our enemies is circular and self-fulfilling. If things don't work out they don't work out, but if you never try, you're guaranteeing a result you don't like.[/quote]

How many times has Iran backout and straight up not followed through with past deals?

And why does the media and this administration feel that if a deal wasn't reached that we had some how failed? If negiotiations failed, the pressure and stress was clearly on Iran and its economy. U don't make a deal to make a deal to check a box off in your presidency. This dumb shit president is really amazing. Take a look around the world...things are so effed up it ridiculous. There is absolutely no defense of his incompetence and his administration in foreign affairs. Kerry did a poor job and gave into to the Iranians losing several key points within the last days of the negiotiations.

Drop nukes, that typical response from the left when u got nothing.

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[quote=Chico23231;1115987]How many times has Iran backout and straight up not followed through with past deals?

And why does the media and this administration feel that if a deal wasn't reached that we had some how failed? If negiotiations failed, the pressure and stress was clearly on Iran and its economy. U don't make a deal to make a deal to check a box off in your presidency. This dumb shit president is really amazing. Take a look around the world...things are so effed up it ridiculous. There is absolutely no defense of his incompetence and his administration in foreign affairs. Kerry did a poor job and gave into to the Iranians losing several key points within the last days of the negiotiations.

Drop nukes, that typical response from the left when u got nothing.[/quote]

what would you do then? blind rage with no answers, typical trolling. when exactly was our last deal with iran that they backed out of? cause i sure can't remember it.

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Iran has broken and backed out of multiple deals with us and allies abroad multiple times on multiple things; human rights, nuclear, weapons etc. To think Iran will abide by this deal is very naive.

I wouldn't accept this deal and I would continue to neigotiate and keep the sanctions in place until we get what we want. A complete dismantling of their nuclear weapon program. Period. These dropping oil prices are helping our cause

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1115999]Iran has broken and backed out of multiple deals with us and allies abroad multiple times on multiple things; human rights, nuclear, weapons etc. To think Iran will abide by this deal is very naive.

I wouldn't accept this deal and I would continue to neigotiate and keep the sanctions in place until we get what we want. A complete dismantling of their nuclear weapon program. Period. These dropping oil prices are helping our cause[/QUOTE]
Continue negotiations, keep sanctions in place. Are you nuts? The only other option was to drop nukes, that's what we were told.

This treaty, IMO, is simply Pres Obama's misguided attempt at etching his Nobel prize winning legacy. That it could just as easily destabilize an entire region is a small risk for that ultimate goal.

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TG, to compare these people to the Russians is.......absurd.
BTW, why do you throw down with the Nuke thing so often? You seem to be the only one talking about it. If these people are going to be anything but our enemies, they may have to stop chanting [B]Death to our civilization [/B]for some period of time, right? Maybe the major holidays they could get the "Death Chanting" union to take a day off...Oh well, food for thought!
BTW, this dude has some real concerns

[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/08/us/politics/opposing-iran-nuclear-deal-chuck-schumer-rattles-democratic-firewall.html?_r=0[/url]
[B]Mr. Schumer, the third-ranking Democrat in the Senate and the likely Democratic leader beginning in 2017, said on Thursday night that he opposed the deal, citing concerns about the inspection regime, provisions to reimpose sanctions if Iran cheats, and Tehran’s freedom after a decade to possibly pursue a nuclear bomb. In quick succession, two other prominent Jewish Democrats, Representative Eliot L. Engel of New York, the ranking Democrat on the Foreign Affairs Committee, and Mr. Sherman announced their opposition.[/B]
I do to.......
BTW, in spite of the generally shit condition of this country, we are still the most powerful country on this planet. We don't need to bully anybody around to much, but we also have no need to get Prison...F..d by a backwards pissass country that has but a vague concept of toilet paper.... and no use for it.
PS, [B]4 American hostages STILL in Iranian prisons...today![/B]

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whatever, you hate the deal, but if you think you could get a better one, well, that's probably a fairy tale. again, the sanctions are in place to get this deal done, if it falls through, a bunch of countries will back out of the sanctions, so they'll fall apart in all likelyhood. we'll also being going back on a deal we've already agreed to (in principle), so the chances of iran thinking we'll be able to follow through to any deal in the future becomes very unlikely.

the nuke thing is just asking what you expect the eventual outcome to be. if we can't reason with them (engagement) what's the other option? put our head in the sand and hope things work out? invade? if they're our enemies and will always be our enemies, then you should probably get rid of them right? or do you just leave them to do their evil things unchecked and hope for the best? that's what i'm getting at, if you never want to engage them diplomatically, then where exactly does that line of thinking go?

and hog, russia has edward snowden, should we cut off all deals, ties and economic arrangements over that? cause you keep harping on that for some reason like they're the only country with american prisoners or that the issues are tied together. I'd like them free, Obama would too, but that's a work in progress right now.

chico, please cite these deals that iran has backed out of, because I don't remember the US ever making a deal or treaty with them since the revolution (unless you count iran-contra). if you're going to throw things out there as facts, please make sure they're actually true (and again, if i'm missing something, just let me know).

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We are here because of multiple violations of the npt by Iran , they have backout agreements and have tried to illegally obtain materials to militarize their nuclear program.

Also as the largest state sponser of terrorism they are violation of the Geneva convention, international law, etc.

I'm not trying to be an ahole, but it's pretty clear we are at this point because of a systematic attempt of Iran to possess and build nuclear weapons in violation of npt.

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[url=http://www.geneva-academy.ch/RULAC/international_treaties.php?id_state=109]Iran - International | International treaties adherence[/url]

you aren't party to a treaty unless you agree to be a party to it.

you're right tat they have violated the npt article 3 by failing to declare their enrichment in 2003, they agreed to the npt in 1968 (pre revolution). we (well, the american gov) believes they broke article 4 (but the proof is circumstantial).

there's no guarantees this works, but i do believe it's worth a shot, if it fails, the sanctions come back with full international support (if we kill the deal now, only partial sanctions would remain in all likelyhood), and if we fish for a "better deal" we likely get no deal (and again, only partial sanctions).

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[quote=That Guy;1116043][URL="http://www.geneva-academy.ch/RULAC/international_treaties.php?id_state=109"]Iran - International | International treaties adherence[/URL]

you aren't party to a treaty unless you agree to be a party to it.

you're right tat they have violated the npt article 3 by failing to declare their enrichment in 2003, they agreed to the npt in 1968 (pre revolution). we (well, the american gov) believes they broke article 4 (but the proof is circumstantial).

there's no guarantees this works, but i do believe it's worth a shot, if it fails, the sanctions come back with full international support (if we kill the deal now, only partial sanctions would remain in all likelyhood), and if we fish for a "better deal" we likely get no deal (and again, only partial sanctions).[/quote]

Just for a moment, does any of this really make....common sense to you?
How does it go?
"Make Damn sure boys, we ain't buildin' no Nukes cause we done said we.....woon't, and Allah knows you can trust the good ol' PLM's. and don't forget to bomb those F..n Pig Israelis' to dust on Sunday...Americans on Tuesday"
Allahu Akbar....In the meantime, strap a few bombs to some children down to the Walmart....
And BTW, these same Sanctions that Obama has maintained IS the reason we need this agreement (they are the only reason Iran is at the table at all) are far stronger now than if we have to reinforce them later as they are NOT retroactive.
Soooo, IF they do not work now, how will they work later (and they will be weaker)?

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This was good ,


[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PyotYM3LPQ[/url]

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[quote=Hog1;1116077]Just for a moment, does any of this really make....common sense to you?
How does it go?
"Make Damn sure boys, we ain't buildin' no Nukes cause we done said we.....woon't, and Allah knows you can trust the good ol' PLM's. and don't forget to bomb those F..n Pig Israelis' to dust on Sunday...Americans on Tuesday"
Allahu Akbar....In the meantime, strap a few bombs to some children down to the Walmart....
And BTW, these same Sanctions that Obama has maintained IS the reason we need this agreement (they are the only reason Iran is at the table at all) are far stronger now than if we have to reinforce them later as they are NOT retroactive.
Soooo, IF they do not work now, how will they work later (and they will be weaker)?[/quote]


I have no idea what you're trying to say here. if you're asking about why the sanctions would become weaker if we do nothing, it's because these countries only agreed to them (at the cost of billions) to get a deal done.

meanwhile, a ton of generals have weighed in on the deal, and think it's a good idea.

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[url=http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/18/politics/bob-menendez-corker-iran-nuclear-deal/index.html]Menendez second Senate Democrat to oppose Iran deal - CNNPolitics.com[/url]
(CNN)A high-ranking Democratic senator delivered another blow to President Barack Obama's legacy-making Iran nuclear deal on Tuesday.

"I have looked into my own soul and my devotion to principle may once again lead me to an unpopular course, but if Iran is to acquire a nuclear bomb, it will not have my name on it," Menendez said. "It is for these reasons that I will vote to disapprove the agreement and, if called upon, would vote to override a veto."

Naturally, you already know Chuck Schumer has kicked Obama's deal to the curb....right?

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Wow...even Ben and Jerry are trying to save.......this
Not to mention threatening their own party and trying to convince yo to do the same?

Dear fellow MoveOn member,

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Right now we have an amazing opportunity to defend the Obama Administration's historic diplomatic deal to prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons. And yet, some of the same warmongers who led us into Iraq want to sabotage this deal and put us on a path to war with Iran—and some Democrats are thinking about going along with them!

That's not the leadership we need. We need more voices like Sen. Bernie Sanders, who has declared, "The test of a great nation is not how many wars it can engage in, it is how it can resolve international conflicts in a peaceful manner."1
That's why we're asking you to join us and sign a petition that sends a strong message to all Democrats: If you undermine the Obama Administration's historic diplomatic agreement with Iran, we'll withhold all campaign donations from your campaigns and party committees in the next election.

If the Senate overrides President's Obama's Iran deal, it risks putting us on a path toward war. But despite that—and despite thousands of phone calls, petitions, and meetings—we're still FOUR VOTES SHORT of what we need to stop the Senate from doing just that, according to media reports.2

So it's time to start talking in terms that politicians understand: money.
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These Democrats just need to learn from recent history. They were bulldozed into giving President George W. Bush the power to invade Iraq. Look how that turned out!

[B]And now wimps like Senator Chuck Schumer[/B]—who expects to be the next Senate Democratic Leader—are coming out against the deal.3 He was wrong on Iraq. Now, he's wrong on Iran.

And Senator Robert Menendez today came out against the deal—in spite of the fact that he was elected in 2006 based on his vote against the Iraq War.4 He was right on Iraq, but now he's on the wrong side of history.

That's not the leadership we need. We need more voices like Sen. Bernie Sanders, who believe that "war should be the last resort."5

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[url=http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/I/IRAN_NUCLEAR?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-08-19-13-06-05]News from The Associated Press[/url]

[B]VIENNA (AP) -- Iran will be allowed to use its own inspectors to investigate a site it has been accused of using to develop nuclear arms, operating under a secret agreement with the U.N. agency that normally carries out such work, according to a document seen by The Associated Press.[/B]





The Parchin agreement was worked out between the IAEA and Iran. The United States and the five other world powers were not party to it but were briefed by the IAEA and endorsed it as part of the larger package.

On Wednesday, White House National Security Council spokesman Ned Price said the Obama administration was "confident in the agency's technical plans for investigating the possible military dimensions of Iran's former program. ... The IAEA has separately developed the most robust inspection regime ever peacefully negotiated."

All IAEA member countries must give the agency some insight into their nuclear programs. Some are required to do no more than give a yearly accounting of the nuclear material they possess. But nations- like Iran - suspected of possible proliferation are under greater scrutiny that can include stringent inspections.

[B]The agreement in question diverges from normal procedures by allowing Tehran to employ its own experts and equipment in the search for evidence of activities it has consistently denied - trying to develop nuclear weapons.[/B]

Olli Heinonen, who was in charge of the Iran probe as deputy IAEA director general from 2005 to 2010, said he could think of no similar concession with any other country.

The White House has repeatedly denied claims of a secret side deal favorable to Tehran. IAEA chief Yukiya Amano told Republican senators last week that he was obligated to keep the document confidential.

[B]Iran has refused access to Parchin for years and has denied any interest in - or work on - nuclear weapons. Based on U.S., Israeli and other intelligence and its own research, the IAEA suspects that the Islamic Republic may have experimented with high-explosive detonators for nuclear arms.

The IAEA has cited evidence, based on satellite images, of possible attempts to sanitize the site since the alleged work stopped more than a decade ago.[/B]


As I read through this......I truly could not believe my eyes. WTF kind of incompetent moron could conceivably agree to this? This is precisely why Trump has repeatedly maintained Obama's......complete ineptitude at the bargaining table.
So we are going to allow the PLM's to police themselves?
We should just go ahead and Nuke ourselves as we have been.....handed over the the enemy...Holy Shit
BTW this is not the only "secret Agreement" apparently. It makes one all atwitter with anticipation just to wait and see.....

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What could go wrong for us with this good news:

[url=http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2015/08/19/Iran-Russia-reach-agreement-on-delivery-of-S-300-missile-systems/7271440011429/?spt=slh&or=2]Iran, Russia reach agreement on delivery of S-300 missile systems - UPI.com[/url]

[quote]...
The S-300 is "one of the most advanced air defense systems in the world," Brig.-Gen. (res.) Asaf Agmon, a former senior Israel Air Force officer told The Jerusalem Post.

The S-300, says the brigadier general, would make a potential strike against Iran's nuclear facilities even more difficult.

"This system will be a challenge for an air force to overcome. Its arrival is a significant change in our region," Agmon said.

In April, President Barack Obama downplayed the significance of the purchase. "I'm frankly surprised that [the ban on S-300 deliveries to Iran] held this long, given that they were prohibited by sanctions from selling these defensive weapons."
...[/quote]

I'm still trying to understand Pres. Obama's quote. He didn't think they would keep a ban in place because they were prohibited by sanctions, but hey, now that sanctions are gone, who needs the ban anyway?!?! WTF

Shouldn't we at least express disappointment that Russia didn't decide to keep the ban in place even though the sanctions are gone. And that adding that level and amount of air defense missiles only serves to hurt the regional balance?

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Well....we need the ban because the "sanctions" won't keep Iran from developing Nukes......
BUT if they violate the agreement, we will "reinforce" the sanctions(that did not work)...
Let's see...re-implement sanctions that "would not work", but will now work?
AND they are not retroactive...soooooo any deals that were put in place will still be in effect???
WTF??? Try and get your head around the logic of that

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[quote=Hog1;1116825]Well....we need the ban because the "sanctions" won't keep Iran from developing Nukes......
BUT if they violate the agreement, we will "reinforce" the sanctions(that did not work)...
Let's see...re-implement sanctions that "would not work", but will now work?
AND they are not retroactive...soooooo any deals that were put in place will still be in effect???
WTF??? Try and get your head around the logic of that[/quote]

i'm not going to waste my time, you're either being purposely dense or trolling, but if you have a better idea, please share it. you keep repeating yourself, it is not helping or advancing the conversation, and you're arguing emotionally in incomplete/incoherent thoughts (or at least poorly articulated ones).

you're welcome to your opinion (of course) but if you want to convince anyone of anything, you're going to have to try a bit harder.

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Trolling? ......Hardly
Actually the response you quoted was meant as an explanation to CRedskins
You keep saying/.....What is Your Plan? This may come as a shock. I do not, am not paid to, expected to, or qualified to develop that plan......

I do know when my car is running bad even though I cannot fix it-have a mechanic!
I do know my roof is leaking even though I can't fix it-have a roofer
AND, I DO know when someones pissin' down my back and telling me it's raining.
The ridiculous agreements in this travesty are many....but the worst (Are you f..n kidding me) is putting the Iranians in charge of their own inspections WTF
[B]***Do you not find it interesting that Obama failed to mention that? Probably just slipped his mind[/B]
That's right, the fox is in charge of the hen house. Is it any wonder that Trump says we get F...d by everybody in negotiations. Most specifically our CIC Barak Hussein O'bama. Wow what a coup Barry......
BTW I noticed you did not want to talk about the Iranians ability to choose their own inspectors. How's that work?
Death to all American's guy calls Death to all Israel guy to go over and check out the Nukes they are not building, not see anything and report back to the idiot American's. "Sorry Barry...didn't see anything bad here. You can trust us right. If you could not we would not be inspecting our own shit, right?
Take your head out of the sand
[URL="http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/I/IRAN_NUCLEAR?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-08-19-13-06-05"]News from The Associated Press[/URL]

AND just as an aside, what other....."deals" have been cut that are being kept from the American people??

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[url=http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/19/politics/iran-nuclear-deal-inspections-parchin/]State Department defends Iran nuclear deal inspections - CNNPolitics.com[/url]

i'm glad you read the headline, but please read the article.

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If Iran gets the bomb, all it will do is create a balance of power at the worst. Fellas, Israel now has 5 German Dolphin class nuclear attack subs, along with 89 nuclear warheads fitted on Popeye SSLMs. The Germans are building them #6 as we speak. Iran's air force is a joke. A majority of their jets are still Ford/Carter era F-4 phantoms, etc. Their best tank is a modified M-60 battle tank!!!!! Reagan started to phase them out and Desert Storm was the last hurrah for them as only our marines used them. These people only spend 1% of what we do on defense and small ass nations like the UAE totally outspend Iran. IN fact Iran has the lowest defense spending per capita in the entire Gulf Region. Do you really think Israel or we should be scared of these guys? Do you think for one moment that if we did find out that they were making a bomb that we or the Israelis would stand for it? China and Iran are making deals for the natural gas, etc. Messing around with Iran might be the equivalent of Germany, Russia, and the rest of the gang getting their panties all ruffled over an assassination in 1914 in Sarajevo, except in 2015 all the major players have nukes, with the exception of Iran that will be playing the role of poor Serbia.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1116810]What could go wrong for us with this good news:

[url=http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2015/08/19/Iran-Russia-reach-agreement-on-delivery-of-S-300-missile-systems/7271440011429/?spt=slh&or=2]Iran, Russia reach agreement on delivery of S-300 missile systems - UPI.com[/url]



I'm still trying to understand Pres. Obama's quote. He didn't think they would keep a ban in place because they were prohibited by sanctions, but hey, now that sanctions are gone, who needs the ban anyway?!?! WTF

Shouldn't we at least express disappointment that Russia didn't decide to keep the ban in place even though the sanctions are gone. And that adding that level and amount of air defense missiles only serves to hurt the regional balance?[/quote]

Russia's top of the line air defense system is the S-500 and it is not being offered to Iran. Remember when Putin reneged on giving them the operational top of the line S-400? Also, what is wrong with Russia giving Iran the S-300s anyway? I mean Israel and the US and co have been threatening to bomb Iran even before 911 if I remember correctly. Only way our boys get whacked is if we go trying to whack them. I think they have a right to defend themselves against a potential moronic attack. Israel has nukes, and with those 5 operational Dolphin nuclear attack subs they have acquired from Germany, along with an estimated 89 warheads created for said subs, I think Israel can handle Iran just fine on their own. Iran is a major supplier of natural gas, etc to China. China and Russia aren't going to sit by and let their major partner and supplier get taken down for another pack of probable lies.

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[quote=Hog1;1117351]Trolling? ......Hardly
Actually the response you quoted was meant as an explanation to CRedskins
You keep saying/.....What is Your Plan? This may come as a shock. I do not, am not paid to, expected to, or qualified to develop that plan......

I do know when my car is running bad even though I cannot fix it-have a mechanic!
I do know my roof is leaking even though I can't fix it-have a roofer
AND, I DO know when someones pissin' down my back and telling me it's raining.
The ridiculous agreements in this travesty are many....but the worst (Are you f..n kidding me) is putting the Iranians in charge of their own inspections WTF
[B]***Do you not find it interesting that Obama failed to mention that? Probably just slipped his mind[/B]
That's right, the fox is in charge of the hen house. Is it any wonder that Trump says we get F...d by everybody in negotiations. Most specifically our CIC Barak Hussein O'bama. Wow what a coup Barry......
BTW I noticed you did not want to talk about the Iranians ability to choose their own inspectors. How's that work?
Death to all American's guy calls Death to all Israel guy to go over and check out the Nukes they are not building, not see anything and report back to the idiot American's. "Sorry Barry...didn't see anything bad here. You can trust us right. If you could not we would not be inspecting our own shit, right?
Take your head out of the sand
[URL="http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/I/IRAN_NUCLEAR?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-08-19-13-06-05"]News from The Associated Press[/URL]

AND just as an aside, what other....."deals" have been cut that are being kept from the American people??[/quote]

THe AP story isn't the real deal, it has been outed as a forgery.

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[quote=Flyer97;1117457]THe AP story isn't the real deal, it has been outed as a forgery.[/quote]
sez............who?

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[quote=That Guy;1117370][URL="http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/19/politics/iran-nuclear-deal-inspections-parchin/"]State Department defends Iran nuclear deal inspections - CNNPolitics.com[/URL]

i'm glad you read the headline, but please read the article.[/quote]

I did, and I totally trust John Kerry........Ahahahahahaha


[URL="http://www.timesofisrael.com/white-house-comfortable-with-iaea-deal-with-tehran-to-self-inspect-suspect-nuke-site/"]White House 'comfortable' with Iran 'self-inspecting' suspect nuke site | The Times of Israel[/URL]

[URL="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/08/21/copy-iran-side-deal-backs-reports-iran-would-have-major-role-in-nuke-site/"]Copy of Iran ‘side deal’ backs reports Tehran would have major role in nuke site inspections | Fox News[/URL]

[URL="http://www.worldtribune.com/2015/08/20/report-that-nuclear-deal-authorizes-iran-to-inspect-parchin-site-defended-by-obamas-nsc/"]Report that nuclear deal authorizes Iran to inspect Parchin site defended by Obama's NSC - World Tribune | World Tribune[/URL]

"Secretary of State John Kerry, among others in the administration, had previously stressed the importance of Iran disclosing past nuclear military activity as part of any deal".....
Apparently that not longer matters to Kerry

[url=http://www.wsj.com/articles/irans-secret-self-inspections-1440026399]Iran’s Secret Self-Inspections - WSJ[/url]

"Three more Senators have declared against President Obama’s Iran nuclear deal in recent days, and don’t be surprised if more follow"

Though the [URL="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/i/international_atomic_energy_agency/index.html?inline=nyt-org"]International Atomic Energy Agency[/URL] says it will monitor the collection, the chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, Ed Royce, declared: “International inspections should be done by international inspectors. Period.”
AND WHY WOULD THEY NOT BE?????
AND, they're are apparently other....secret side agreements...WTF
Secret side deals...are you kidding?

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[quote=Flyer97;1117455]If Iran gets the bomb, all it will do is create a balance of power at the worst. Fellas, Israel now has 5 German Dolphin class nuclear attack subs, along with 89 nuclear warheads fitted on Popeye SSLMs. The Germans are building them #6 as we speak. Iran's air force is a joke. A majority of their jets are still Ford/Carter era F-4 phantoms, etc. Their best tank is a modified M-60 battle tank!!!!! Reagan started to phase them out and Desert Storm was the last hurrah for them as only our marines used them. These people only spend 1% of what we do on defense and small ass nations like the UAE totally outspend Iran. IN fact Iran has the lowest defense spending per capita in the entire Gulf Region. Do you really think Israel or we should be scared of these guys?[B] Do you think for one moment that if we did find out that they were making a bomb that we or the Israelis would stand for it?[/B] China and Iran are making deals for the natural gas, etc. Messing around with Iran might be the equivalent of Germany, Russia, and the rest of the gang getting their panties all ruffled over an assassination in 1914 in Sarajevo, except in 2015 all the major players have nukes, with the exception of Iran that will be playing the role of poor Serbia.[/quote]
Good common sense! So apply a little more.
[B]Has nothing to do with fear.[/B] Giving Iran the....opportunity....ANY opportunity the could develop in Nuke production is a questionable if not bad plan. Allowing them to have any part if not the majority in the inspection process without oversight is absurd.
[B]It has nothing to do with fear.[/B] I live in South Florida and spend a great deal of time outside in the Glades and surrounding buffer zones and wilderness area's. There are many animals that can take your life any time they please. I do not fear the Gators but as a matter of common sense, I would not F.. with one unnecessarily. OR give them the opportunity to F with me.
BTW, these are the same maniac that chant endlessly Death to all Americans....Israel.......the west(even in Parliament), use woman and children for suicide bombers........Behead people....just cuz'
Trying to suggest they will react and act like people with ideals such as we are accustomed.....doesn't work

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lesson learned, all iranians are suicide bombers that want to behead you, because, why not?

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Would you mind highlighting....any passage....anywhere......where I suggested....implied.....inferred, That All Iranians are anything?
BUT on the other hand, this country has been the largest sponsor of terrorism the world has ever known. These acts of atrocity and many more unspeakable things are condoned, encouraged and supported by the leadership of this country.
I should not need to point out that even in Barak's comments about the deal he divulges "well yes, some of the money will be used in terrorist activity" in sort of a boys will be boys flavor.....really?
Soooo, while in Parliament they chant Death to all Americans.....the West.....Israel and HEY still have four American hostages. We give them the ways and means to get it done.
I for one take them at their word....

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if you repeat the same post 5 times, does it make it more true?

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I have noticed for some time now you have failed answer the questions I put to you in the posts.
Why is that?

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[quote=Hog1;1117717]I have noticed for some time now you have failed answer the questions I put to you in the posts.
Why is that?[/quote]

what question? i've answered pretty much everything, then you repeat yourself again. I've decided if you're not going to put in any effort, why should I? you clearly aren't reading or responding to anything, you're just sandblasting the same tired rambling post.

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Understood....your out of ammo

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[quote=Hog1;1117838]Understood....your out of ammo[/quote]

tell you what, when you finally make a good and articulate point that wasn't brought up 14 pages ago, i'll respond to it.

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[url=http://observer.com/2015/09/how-the-dominoes-will-fall-after-isis-takes-damascus/]How the Dominoes Will Fall After ISIS Takes Damascus | Observer[/url]

This article kinda breaks down alot of things within this civil war and where things could be headed. To understand the geopolitics you gotta first understand the basics...who is who...Sunni, Shiite. This kinda helps people understand it, pretty decent article.

Also, this 12th Iman sh*t? Folks, this is scary stuff. This is the stuff that is compelling leaders of countries to stand by and not do a damn thing... Read this:


The Myth That’s Compelling ISIS

Like several other religions, many Muslims believe in an end of time scenario that involves the emergence of a redeemer called al-Mahdi who will rule the world for seven to 19 years and fill it with justice after it was filled with injustice. Al-Mahdi — Arabic for “the guided one” — was never mentioned in the Quran, but some claim that the prophet Mohammed prophesied about him. While many Sunnis — who make up to 85 percent of Muslims — believe that al-Mahdi hasn’t been born yet, most Shiites believe that al-Mahdi is the 12th Imam and the descendent of the prophet Mohammed who disappeared in Iraq in 874 A.D.


It is believed that his emergence, or re-emergence, will be the final chapter before the end of time and judgment day. With some oversimplification, the story suggests that al-Mahdi will lead the camp of the righteous against the camp of evil. Jesus — whose soul Muslims believe was saved by God before the crucifixion — will descend from the sky to Damascus and declare his allegiance to al-Mahdi.

Against the army led by al-Mahdi and Jesus, the camp of evil will have two leaders. A tyrant appears in Damascus called al-Sufyani and an equivalent of the Christian Antichrist called “the one-eyed deceiver” appears in the border area between Afghanistan, Iran and Turkmenistan. Al-Mahdi will appear in Mecca, Saudi Arabia. A war will start that involves the capture of Istanbul and a final battle in a place called Dabiq in northern Syria. ISIS and al-Qaeda believe fully in this final battle. ISIS has chosen the name Dabiq for its online magazine. Al-Mahdi soldiers will be tall, with long black hair and beards, dressed in black and carry the prophet’s black banner, the rationale for ISIS’s and al-Qaeda’s choice of these figures in their propaganda videos.


I cant believe we sat on our hands and let this happen....biggest mistake ever in the war on terror.

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[url]https://twitter.com/sakirkhader?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor[/url]

dutch reporters twitter feed.

shows short videos of little kids badly injured/dead from russia air strikes in Syria.

cant shake the thought that Us bombs have maimed and killed lots of children as well.

us = russia

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So Russia provides the air force, Iran provides the ground troops. Fortunately they aren't becoming allies.

[url=http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/01/us-mideast-crisis-russia-syria-idUSKCN0RV41O20151001]Iran troops to join Syria war, Russia bombs group trained by CIA | Reuters[/url]

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I look forward to Turkey and Saudi Arabia response ...... oh thats right.

Our supposed allies in the region suck and they bitch at us when they need help but openly snub us and stab us in the back when they dont.

SA has a weak army, is trying to dry up our shale oil industry and also provided 15 of the 19 9-11 terrorists.

Turkey meanwhile, denied us the right to use their airspace in Iraq and last month did the same thing russia did ---- last month they got our permission to send planes into to syria under the pretext of bombing ISIS only to bomb the US backed kurds fighting ISIS. they also knocked on our tent door in Iraq and gave us a 1 hour heads up that they would be bombing in Iraq and we need to notify any US personnel.

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Turkey is a bit of a wildcard as it is a member of NATO and has had a soft no fly zone, right where Russia wants to fly (the no fly zone isn't official, and Russia isn't officially trying to fly in or around that region - no opportunities for miscommunication there).

I tend to see WW3 around a lot of corners, so still hoping this doesn't expand, but this is as volatile situation as we have seen since the 60's and I am certain Putin won't take kindly to Turkey shooting at one of Russia's precious jets if they fly too close to Turkish airspace.

OTM, I would say that we are not the best of allies either, do you think Turkey trusts that we will back them up if they were to have let us use their bases? This administration would throw their government under the bus in a heartbeat if their minority were to put real pressure on them.

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up close video report from Russia's air base in Syria. The Russian Times reporter is walking among the fighter jets, and honestly, it's just a little bit the of the geek in me that likes seeing the hardware up close.

Nothing groundbreaking news wise as this is a Russian propaganda outlet.

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