Re: Kirk Cousins Expected To Start Sunday
 

I think that we have to be careful about an perceived "success" Kirk will have this weekend. I am willing to bet that the running game makes an appearance this weekend.

Re: Kirk Cousins Expected To Start Sunday
 

[quote=Skins4L;1048669]if Kirk looks like Brady this weekend ill say fine good move. but if he stinks it up just like rg in this system with the morale so low it lowers his stock and demoralizes our other player. if we were gonna switch to cousins why not just finish with rg anyway and have cousins come out the winner of a training camp battle if they felt like he was the better player. more will come to light after sunday because if kirk kills it out there and we win, now its a whole new monster. i think shanahan wants that. im not sure what to think.[/quote]

How is Kirk going to be able to look like Brady with pass rushers all over him as he tries to throw to receivers who aren't open?

I think this team has quit and that poor Kirk is going to take a beating.

On the other hand, if Kirk manages to play well under the current circumstances, then we've got something. I don't know why anyone would be worried about Kirk playing well stirring up a QB controversy. I could only be a good thing to have two good young QB's.

BTW, who cares what Shanahan wants? He's as good as gone.

Re: Kirk Cousins Expected To Start Sunday
 

^ seriously a QB controversy is the least of our concerns.

Re: Kirk Cousins Expected To Start Sunday
 

[quote=KI Skins Fan;1048670]That's not entirely true. I do. So do others.

I only want RGIII to sit long enough for the Shanahans to get out of town so that Kyle won't have any more chances to do something stupid to get him reinjured. That is the bottom line.

When RGIII came out of college, I was most excited about the way he threw the long ball. He was one of the best at that that I've ever seen. Second, his arm strength. Third, his athleticism in terms of his ability to avoid the rush and make a potentially negative play into a positive one. Fourth, his great speed and running ability.

I never viewed him as a runner, per se, except on rollouts and occaisional QB draws or read option plays, just to keep the defense honest.

Here's what has happened to him this year: First of all, he's not fully recovered from his knee injury. Second, he has had to deal with very poor pass protection. Third, his receivers are not getting open on a consistent basis.

Also, he is only in his second year and he is learning to become a pocket passer in the NFL. With his intelligence and drive, I don't know how anyone could doubt his ability to learn his trade very well. I think he will come back strong next season.[/quote]

I agree totally. I want to see RG3 play but I don't trust him wiht this lame duck regime.

Re: Kirk Cousins Expected To Start Sunday
 

[quote=Mattyk;1048661]Shanny would have shot that down easily if he wasn't on board.[/quote]

This is true. Mike Shanahan is pretty much the coach/GM/VP (not for long I hope.) He's one of the first coaches since Marty to have complete control.

Re: Kirk Cousins Expected To Start Sunday
 

[quote=Skins4L;1048669]if Kirk looks like Brady this weekend ill say fine good move. but if he stinks it up just like rg in this system with the morale so low it lowers his stock and demoralizes our other player. if we were gonna switch to cousins why not just finish with rg anyway and have cousins come out the winner of a training camp battle if they felt like he was the better player. more will come to light after sunday because if kirk kills it out there and we win, now its a whole new monster. i think shanahan wants that. im not sure what to think.[/quote]

I watched when Kirk came in for RG3. Polumbus let somebody blind side Kirk without even slowing the guy down. You know what happened. Kirk looked like Brady, sack fumble!!! Just like Brady.

Re: Kirk Cousins Expected To Start Sunday
 

[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1048671]I think that we have to be careful about an perceived "success" Kirk will have this weekend. I am willing to bet that the running game makes an appearance this weekend.[/quote]

I'm sorry, but that just doesn't make good sense. Of course we should want Kirk to play well. How could that possibly hurt the franchise? Would his trade value go up too much?

Whether we run the ball more or not, he'll still throw 20+ passes.

Re: Kirk Cousins Expected To Start Sunday
 

[quote=KI Skins Fan;1048670]That's not entirely true. I do. So do others.

I only want RGIII to sit long enough for the Shanahans to get out of town so that Kyle won't have any more chances to do something stupid to get him reinjured. That is the bottom line.

When RGIII came out of college, I was most excited about the way he threw the long ball. He was one of the best at that that I've ever seen. Second, his arm strength. Third, his athleticism in terms of his ability to avoid the rush and make a potentially negative play into a positive one. Fourth, his great speed and running ability.

I never viewed him as a runner, per se, except on rollouts and occaisional QB draws or read option plays, just to keep the defense honest.

Here's what has happened to him this year: First of all, he's not fully recovered from his knee injury. Second, he has had to deal with very poor pass protection. Third, his receivers are not getting open on a consistent basis.

Also, he is only in his second year and he is learning to become a pocket passer in the NFL. With his intelligence and drive, I don't know how anyone could doubt his ability to learn his trade very well. I think he will come back strong next season.[/quote]

I see your point. I hope it works out for the better. I really do.

Re: Kirk Cousins Expected To Start Sunday
 

Guys, even Tom Brady himself wouldn't look like Tom Brady behind this Swiss cheese offensive line. Although I will say Kirk has a good chance to look good against Atlanta, who I hear doesn't produce much of a pass rush, so this might be Cousins' chance to shine. However, then again, when you have Tyler Polumbus "protecting" your right side, then I bet Atlanta's pass rush gets healthy real quick.

Kirk Cousins Expected To Start Sunday
 

[QUOTE=GTripp0012;1048648]It makes some sense to let Cousins play, you just can't spin it as something you do for Griffin's benefit. The team might be better in the short-term without Griffin trying to play through his struggles. But there's no question it hurts the team long term to sit him.

The person making the decision has no long term future, and only has a short term future. You can put two and two together.[/QUOTE]

Yes a million times. Its what i keep saying, its the rite decision but the timing is so damn fishy.
Edit: I am not even sure it is the rite thing to do benching Griff, but it is understandable. Just not now - not if you werent concerned in the Seattle game, the Ravens game, or the start of the season.

Re: Kirk Cousins Expected To Start Sunday
 

[quote=KI Skins Fan;1048677]I'm sorry, but that just doesn't make good sense. Of course we should want Kirk to play well. How could that possibly hurt the franchise? Would his trade value go up too much?

Whether we run the ball more or not, he'll still throw 20+ passes.[/quote]

What I mean is if we win, people will point to Cousins as the primary reason why we one as he is the noticeable change, however, the offense recently has not ran Alfred Morris:
Against KC- 12carries--31 yards
NYG-11 carries-26 yards
SF-14 -52
Phil-22-93
It has been nearly a month since we have worked AlMo hard in the running gam.e

[QUOTE=Mattyk;1048661]Shanny would have shot that down easily if he wasn't on board.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. Another thing that is bugging me. Shanny was given complete control. No way he was against the pick. No way he "allowed" Snyder to make the call on RG-3. That is just dumb.

Re: Kirk Cousins Expected To Start Sunday
 

[quote=punch it in;1048681]Yes a million times. Its what i keep saying, its the rite decision but the timing is so damn fishy.[/quote]This whole board, and I checked out ES hoping they were different (no luck), is acting out an example of a phenomenon that amuses me. You know when a group of people really hates someone, they treat normal behavior like a mortal sin.

The example I read, and like I've seen in RL, is a group of people sitting at one table in a lunchroom, whispering to each other about someone else sitting at a table other side of the room eating their lunch "Just look at her over there! Eating her food like she owns the place!"

Same phenomena here. Shanny's got a losing record here. This is a very disappointing season. So what's the mortal sin Shanny's committed according to this board? Making a personnel move most people here agree with. (And it's not just us. It's also ES, and all over the media.)

SMH.

Re: Kirk Cousins Expected To Start Sunday
 

[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1048683]What I mean is if we win, people will point to Cousins as the primary reason why we one as he is the noticeable change, however, the offense recently has not ran Alfred Morris:
Against KC- 12carries--31 yards
NYG-11 carries-26 yards
SF-14 -52
Phil-22-93
It has been nearly a month since we have worked AlMo hard in the running gam.e[/quote]

I see. Good point!

[QUOTE=HailGreen28;1048686]This whole board, and I checked out ES hoping they were different (no luck), is acting out an example of a phenomenon that amuses me. You know when a group of people really hates someone, they treat normal behavior like a mortal sin.

The example I read, and like I've seen in RL, is a group of people sitting at one table in a lunchroom, whispering to each other about someone else sitting at a table other side of the room eating their lunch "Just look at her over there! Eating her food like she owns the place!"

Same phenomena here. Shanny's got a losing record here. This is a very disappointing season. So what's the mortal sin Shanny's committed according to this board? Making a personnel move most people here agree with. (And it's not just us. It's also ES, and all over the media.)

SMH.[/QUOTE]

So, you think that Griff's health was not in question in the Seattle game, or the Ravens game, or in weeks one through 6, but now it is a good time to "preserve" him?
Leave all the weird lunch room banter examples out of it and just answer the question - lol.

Re: Kirk Cousins Expected To Start Sunday
 

[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1048683]What I mean is if we win, people will point to Cousins as the primary reason why we one as he is the noticeable change, however, the offense recently has not ran Alfred Morris:
Against KC- 12carries--31 yards
NYG-11 carries-26 yards
SF-14 -52
Phil-22-93
It has been nearly a month since we have worked AlMo hard in the running gam.e[/quote]

I pointed this out awhile back in another thread. It's like we're slowly phasing out the running game. Alfmo has had less than 15 touches in the last 3 games. And they don't do anything (i.e. play action) to try to open up the run game.

And why do they keep trying to have Alfmo run east-west a la the pitch play? The man's a brusier, let him run straight up the middle. That pitch play works maybe twice a half. Yet we call the damn thing about once a drive.

Sounds like a whole of a poor game planning going on.

Re: Kirk Cousins Expected To Start Sunday
 

[quote=DynamiteRave;1048690]I pointed this out awhile back in another thread. It's like we're slowly phasing out the running game. Alfmo has had less than 15 touches in the last 3 games. And they don't do anything (i.e. play action) to try to open up the run game.

And why do they keep trying to have Alfmo run east-west a la the pitch play? The man's a brusier, let him run straight up the middle. That pitch play works maybe twice a half. Yet we call the damn thing about once a drive.

[I][B]Sounds like a whole of a poor game planning going on[/B][/I].[/quote]

Honest to god, its the worse game planning ive ever seen in my life. Its a total shit show

Re: Kirk Cousins Expected To Start Sunday
 

In the SF game he was running ok too (about 3.7 per a carry) certainly enough to extend drives and decrease passing o-line exposure. Plus it keeps the SF O off the field.

Re: Kirk Cousins Expected To Start Sunday
 

[quote=HailGreen28;1048686]This whole board, and I checked out ES hoping they were different (no luck), is acting out an example of a phenomenon that amuses me. You know when a group of people really hates someone, they treat normal behavior like a mortal sin.

The example I read, and like I've seen in RL, is a group of people sitting at one table in a lunchroom, whispering to each other about someone else sitting at a table other side of the room eating their lunch "Just look at her over there! Eating her food like she owns the place!"

Same phenomena here. Shanny's got a losing record here. This is a very disappointing season. So what's the mortal sin Shanny's committed according to this board? [B]Making a personnel move most people here agree with.[/B] (And it's not just us. It's also ES, and all over the media.)

SMH.[/quote]

Some people agree with it, but that doesn't mean they are backing Shanahan's rationale. Some people just want to see Cousins, or they think RG should be benched for performance, or they don't want to risk him getting hurt.

Re: Kirk Cousins Expected To Start Sunday
 

On the pine conversation:

LeRib: Don't worry Robert you still get to enjoy the post game spread even if you don't suit up. That is some good eats.
Haynesworth: Yeah that is why I am still on the payroll.
Spurrier: Keeps me coming back that's for sure.
RG3: Who are you guys?

Re: Kirk Cousins Expected To Start Sunday
 

[quote=Gary84Clark;1048255]Tebow lovers are going hard against RG3 on the comments. They are still upset about Tebow.[/quote]

Such a great line, just like the one Obama and his administration uses when someone does not agree with his policies...."your a racist."

Re: Kirk Cousins Expected To Start Sunday
 

[quote=SBXVII;1048697]Such a great line, just like the one Obama and his administration uses when someone does not agree with his policies...."your a racist."[/quote]

*you're.

[QUOTE=BaltimoreSkins;1048662]In fairness Elway did the same thing. He struck out until Shanny came along. Looking at the winning percentages without each other though Shanny benefited more from Elway than Elway did with Shanny.[/QUOTE]

I wouldnt say he struck out, I mean he was well on his way to the hall of fame before those superbowls. Imo TD had a hell of alot to do with both of them winning it all.

[QUOTE=SBXVII;1048697]Such a great line, just like the one Obama and his administration uses when someone does not agree with his policies...."your a racist."[/QUOTE]

I think most of Obamas administration are white.....

Re: Kirk Cousins Expected To Start Sunday
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1048261]I honestly dont see how benching RGIII now is a bad thing

1) Why risk getting him hurt and missing out on the entire offseason program. This is even more important if Shanahan is fired and we have a new coaching staff. In fact, i wouldnt be surprised if it was SNYDER behind benching RGIII for this reason.

2) If Snyder and whoever our coach is next year believe RGIII is our franchise QB and will stick with him no matter what, then why NOT put more film out there on Kirk Cousins? If he performs well, it increases the trade market for him. Thats good for the team

3) Lets say it turns out Cousins is clearly far inferior to RGIII (i dont think he is). If Cousins plays poorly, it kills any QB controversy going in the off-season.

4) If, as i believe, Shanahan (and the players on the team) dont like RGIII and feel the franchise is better with Cousins, this is the chance to prove it. Its a losing season. WHy not? What if we go 3-0 over these final three games and Cousins is noticeably and dramatically better in this system than RGIII. Then Shanahan will have shown Snyder he was right. We keep Shanahan, keep Cousins, and trade RGIII.

The only downside to playing cousins is hurting RGIIIs feelings. To be honest, i dont care. Thus far, RGIII has proven himself to be a diva and a whiny baby who feels entitled to respect and special treatment he hasnt earned. If he cant deal with this situation, then he doesnt have the mental makeup to succeed as an NFL QB.[/quote]

100% agree.

I hate putting labels on QB's who just come out of college. RG3 was a drafted QB. Thats it. Yes the team gave up the farm to get him under the understanding he was good enough to be the QB possibly for years to come. But if he turns out to be another Jason Campbell then I don't see him as a "Franchise" QB. I see him as a bonefied back up.

I hope RG3 pans out, the team gave up enough to get him, but "IF" Cousins plays better and for whatever this coaching staff deems Cousins the guy then at least we got a QB on the cheap. Then the team can look to trade RG3 for as many draft picks or players they can get for him. "IF" he's so awesome then I'm sure some other team will give up their farm to get him ... right?

Re: Kirk Cousins Expected To Start Sunday
 

[quote=punch it in;1048689]So, you think that Griff's health was not in question in the Seattle game, or the Ravens game, or in weeks one through 6, but now it is a good time to "preserve" him?
Leave all the weird lunch room banter examples out of it and just answer the question - lol.[/quote]In answer to your question: I've said, and still think, Cousins should have started until RG3 was healthy. I understand as long as we could make a run like last season, we wanted RG3 to play and hoped he'd do well. He hasn't done bad, it's just obvious he's not at 100%. I'm undecided on whether it would be better for him now to get more live reps, or not risk further injury this season.

So answer me this question, punch: Why is there all this weird lunchroom banter (about Shanny's motives) dominating the board discussion now, and not back at the weeks one through 6?

Re: Kirk Cousins Expected To Start Sunday
 

[quote=punch it in;1048703]I think most of Obamas administration are white.....[/quote]

[B]TO BE CLEAR....[/B]

I am not calling anyone a "Racist." and it does not matter what majority of race works for Obama. All I'm saying is anyone or organization who opposes Obama or his policies quickly gets labeled a "Racist." I've seen it over and over and over again. Even though the person being labeled is not a racist. It's just a tactic used to shut up the opposition.

Re: Kirk Cousins Expected To Start Sunday
 

[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1048698]*you're.[/quote]

Thanx

Re: Kirk Cousins Expected To Start Sunday
 

[quote=SBXVII;1048707][B]TO BE CLEAR....[/B]

I am not calling anyone a "Racist." and it does not matter what majority of race works for Obama. All I'm saying is anyone or organization who opposes Obama or his policies quickly gets labeled a "Racist." I've seen it over and over and over again. Even though the person being labeled is not a racist. It's just a tactic used to shut up the opposition.[/quote]

...Racist.

Re: Kirk Cousins Expected To Start Sunday
 

[quote=Mattyk;1048694]Some people agree with it, but that doesn't mean they are backing Shanahan's rationale. Some people just want to see Cousins, or they think RG should be benched for performance, or they don't want to risk him getting hurt.[/quote]Currently the thread poll agrees with Shanny. Debating the merits is cool, and people here have made a lot of good points for and against. People arguing over just rationale is lunch room talk, IMO.

I thought the rationale Shanny said in his presser was that he didn't want RG3 getting hurt. And some people agree with that, I think. (I'm torn, sure playing in the NFL any regular position means getting blasted, but reps would be good for RG3.)

Re: Kirk Cousins Expected To Start Sunday
 

Please knock off any metaphors alluding to politics and the so-called race card. THANK YOU!

Re: Kirk Cousins Expected To Start Sunday
 

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BbUE9r0CMAA_DiC.jpg:large[/IMG]


New precautions at practice for RGIII

Re: Kirk Cousins Expected To Start Sunday
 

[quote=HailGreen28;1048710]Currently the thread poll agrees with Shanny. Debating the merits is cool, and people here have made a lot of good points for and against. People arguing over just rationale is lunch room talk, IMO.

I thought the rationale Shanny said in his presser was that he didn't want RG3 getting hurt. And some people agree with that, I think. (I'm torn, sure playing in the NFL any regular position means getting blasted, but reps would be good for RG3.)[/quote]

If you're taking the poll results at face value and ignoring the discussion, call it lunch room talk or whatever, but you're missing the point if that's what you're doing.

I for one don't agree with him sitting, I think he needs the reps and he's far from the only guy out there struggling, but a small part of me is glad there's no risk in him getting hurt now.

And I still think Shanny is a rat bastard who could really care less about his health and there are personal motives at play. If he really was concerned about his health he would have sat him down to start the season.

Re: Kirk Cousins Expected To Start Sunday
 

At this point, I don't believe one damn word that comes out of Shanny's mouth; especially, when he says that he was lying before but he's telling the truth now.

I wanted RGIII to sit but it's not because of any reason given by Shanahan. I just didn't want Shanny's idiot son to get any more chances to call plays (such as the ridiculous triple option) that might cause RGIII to be reinjured.

Now, I'm relieved that RGIII's health will be preserved until the new coaches are in place. Hopefully, he will be used properly in the new system.

Re: Kirk Cousins Expected To Start Sunday
 

[quote=Mattyk;1048717]If you're taking the poll results at face value and ignoring the discussion, call it lunch room talk or whatever, but you're missing the point if that's what you're doing.

I for one don't agree with him sitting, I think he needs the reps and he's far from the only guy out there struggling, but a small part of me is glad there's no risk in him getting hurt now.

And I still think Shanny is a rat bastard who could really care less about his health and there are personal motives at play. If he really was concerned about his health he would have sat him down to start the season.[/quote]Yeah, I'm just looking at the poll numbers. And there's been some good discussion here. And RG3 hasn't been bad, just not the superman we saw last season.

I take your word Shanny's a bastard. So could he have played RG3 to start the season just to try getting back to the playoffs, and now that the season's over there's no reason to? That's what benching him once we're mathematically eliminated says to me.

Re: Kirk Cousins Expected To Start Sunday
 

[quote=SBXVII;1048707][B]TO BE CLEAR....[/B]

I am not calling anyone a "Racist." and it does not matter what majority of race works for Obama. All I'm saying is anyone or organization who opposes Obama or his policies quickly gets labeled a "Racist." I've seen it over and over and over again. Even though the person being labeled is not a racist. It's just a tactic used to shut up the opposition.[/quote]

Just so happen you wind up with the lable more than others. It's just a coincidence it happens to you. I understand.

Re: Kirk Cousins Expected To Start Sunday
 

If you have to clarify why you're not a racist... you're probably a racist. lol

Re: Kirk Cousins Expected To Start Sunday
 

[quote=NC_Skins;1048716][IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BbUE9r0CMAA_DiC.jpg:large[/IMG]


New precautions at practice for RGIII[/quote]

I'm for it!

Re: Kirk Cousins Expected To Start Sunday
 

[quote=JoeRedskin;1048548]Wow. Just wow.

Either these two are pathological or just incredible schemers.

Mike: Okay, I am going to hide your dislike of RGIII by taking all the heat. I'll let it leak out that I ... not you ... wanted to leave after last year, that I wanted to sit RGIII in Seattle but didn't, and I'll take the heat by benching him and making it look like it's all my decision.

Kyle: Sounds good Dad ... but how about this too - when you bench Robert, tell them you cleared it w/ Dan.

Mike: Oh ... that's good. Gonna throw Bruce in to, just to make it look like a "team" decision. Hee hee!

Kyle: Nice one.

Mike: Finally, just b/c I love you boy, I want you to toss me under the bus by saying you wanted Bobby to keep playing.

Kyle: Ahhhh, gee Dad, that's really cool of you! Don't you think that's going too far though? No one who knows anything will buy that!

Mike: LOLOLOL ... trust me. The sheeple will eat it up. I may come back and find a way to blame Dan for our "rift" but not quite sure how that would work ...

Kyle: I'll get to work on that Dad.

Mike: That's my boy!![/quote]

Now this is funny!!! LOL.

Personally I think MS brought his son on board, obviously, to help out his career. I think everyone is making the mistake that MS's scheme and KS's scheme are exactly the same. and the one they implemented for RG3's first year I think again was different ( I like to call RG3's scheme).

I think KS was given the opportunity to show off his scheme the first year and we started not so good under Sexy Rexy. I think halfway through the year or after atleast a few games MS decided to implement some of his running scheme into KS's scheme. Somewhere in there they tried to get Beck who has more mobility to make it work.

Year two MS implemented more of his scheme and brought McNabb into the fold who should have had more mobility and been able to make the system work. Failure.

Year three RG3 gets drafted and with limited time to work with him MS and KS realize they have too much work to do to get RG3 ready in time for the start of the season. Holy cow, no fan would want to hear that nor want to see the "Franchise" QB sitting on the bench because he's not ready. Snyder would throw a fit as well. So the next best thing is use a scheme RG3 knows and can run well.... in drops the Baylor scheme (spread/read option). Yeah some of KS's and MS's scheme was sprinkled but it was mostly the RG3 scheme. Built just for him to succeed. <Exactly what coaches should be doing. Success! Play off run. Injury.

Year four RG3 rehabbed all off season and again never got time to work on all his fundamentals. RG3 is hampered by the injury and brace. Clearly he will not out run the faster DE's but he might be mobile enough to still run the RG3 scheme. First two games proved he was not going to be able to. So KS and MS decide to go back to more of the traditional MS scheme and let the OL block for him creating a pocket. Except between the OL sucking and RG3 not staying in the pocket and stepping up in to it, it failed because RG3 would bail and run sometimes right into the path of the rushers.

What I think is going to happen for the last 3 games is we will see more of a traditional MS scheme and if it shines MS will have the evidence to throw back in DS's face and a reason for keeping him for one more year. If Cousins fails and it just looks as bad as it did with RG3 then no harm no foul MS was out the door anyway.

So what to do with RG3 if Cousins plays better? I'd keep RG3 and use the whole off season to have him study film and work on fundamentals so that come training camp hopefully he can take his place back as starter but if he still has trouble then MS can still use Cousins and keep developing RG3.

No the team does not have a first round pick, but I dont' think they are as concerned as much as the fans are about trading Cousins to get a pick. The team has $36 mill to go out and get vet who is considered a #1 and that would replace the lost pick this year. I'm sure with the bad season this team will have high draft picks in all 7 rounds so they will have the opportunity to pick up someone decent in the 2nd round.

Re: Kirk Cousins Expected To Start Sunday
 

[quote=DynamiteRave;1048709]...Racist.[/quote]

I guess if the shoe fits. lol.