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[quote=Avinash_Tyagi;1098484]You don't stick with a failing investment, you dump it and cut your losses.

We aren't going to see any return on Gruden, next season we'll be in a similar position and people such as yourself will be saying we need to give him another season.

How many seasons must we waste?[/quote]

I think you have to give him another year. Like you said it is about the investment made. According to some in the local media the clubhouse is more optimistic this year than they were last year despite the same record thus far. Of course that could've changed after yesterday. I do not envy Gruden's position.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1098492]I think you have to give him another year. Like you said it is about the investment made. According to some in the local media the clubhouse is more optimistic this year than they were last year despite the same record thus far. Of course that could've changed after yesterday. I do not envy Gruden's position.[/quote]

I dont envy JG's position either. He is the head coach of the worst run organization in the NFL. That said he knew he was signing on to work in this mess so it comes with the territory.

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2 weeks ago, i would have been a 5 or a high 4 on this, but right now, with 3 division games left, and terrible losses to Tampa, and the Rams (I know they are good, but we shouldn't be THAT bad), and not seeing much from team leaders - I don't even know what players might be considered leaders at this point. I am at a sinking 3, I want to give him another year, but my biggest problem, is that it's not like we haven't known that RT and Safeties were an issue, and we didn't address them effectively. (I was on the Morgan Moses bandwagon, so at the time, I thought that was a solid pick, not sure where he fits now.)

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I honestly don't know. I still think the team is no better off if they fire Gruden after one season, but I'm starting to feel they're no better off keeping him either. Which means the changes need to happen in the front office first.

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[quote=Mattyk;1098407]Way better? Do you remember the mid 90s at all? We've been a consistent loser since Gibbs 1.0.[/quote]

Have people already forgotten the glorious Steve Spurrier/Shane Matthews era?

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Gibbs 2.0 was a decent stretch (Certainly the team was far more disciplined than today)

I actually thought had we stuck with Greg Williams as Coach and Kept Saunders on as Offensive Coordinator after Gibbs retired the second time, we might have been able to get some momentum going

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[quote=Lotus;1098404]Well, fine. Let Allen learn from his humiliation not to allow such trades to happen.[/quote]

Agree. The Rams can't troll us if Allen/Snyder, whoever doesn't make such a stupid trade.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1098525]Agree. The Rams can't troll us if Allen/Snyder, whoever doesn't make such a stupid trade.[/quote]

The Rams can troll us when they make multiple playoff runs and win at least one title. If they continue to be an average team (which they are), then basically nobody has "won" the trade.

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Man, f*ck the Rams and Jeff Fischer. They aint got nothing to talk about, they are buried in that division



Colt McCoy is getting more tests on his strained neck Monday.

We still don't have an exact diagnosis on the injury that knocked McCoy out of Sunday's ugly loss to the Rams. His status for Week 15 is unknown, with backup Robert Griffin III waiting in the wings.

Per Kiem.


Im sorry, but it make zero sense to play Colt now, RG3 needs to be back there.

This sounds like a man down situation

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Agree with Chico, RG should start.

One thing, nobody and I mean nobody should question his toughness. RG has been battered behind this shitshow line and hung in there, albeit with the yips. McCoy couldn't last more than a couple full games and looked terrible by end of yesterday's disaster.

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[quote=Mattyk;1098393]We weren't that good before Snyder took over either.[/quote]We were on the right path, with a big OL, good QB and RB, I'm no Westbrook fan, nor Stubblefield and Wilkinson, but making the playoffs in 1999 was basically with Casserly and Norv's team. Snyder and Cerrato didn't start the big FA spending spree till after that season..

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[quote=Ruhskins;1098516]Have people already forgotten the glorious Steve Spurrier/Shane Matthews era?[/quote]

Osaka Bowl winners!

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[QUOTE=HailGreen28;1098547]We were on the right path, with a big OL, good QB and RB, I'm no Westbrook fan, nor Stubblefield and Wilkinson, but making the playoffs in 1999 was basically with Casserly and Norv's team. Snyder and Cerrato didn't start the big FA spending spree till after that season..[/QUOTE]


92-98 were some lean years. My point was regarding the "Snyder curse", Snyder may have come along and messed shit up, but we were already far removed from the glory days.

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[quote=HailGreen28;1098547]We were on the right path, with a big OL, good QB and RB, I'm no Westbrook fan, nor Stubblefield and Wilkinson, but making the playoffs in 1999 was basically with Casserly and Norv's team. Snyder and Cerrato didn't start the big FA spending spree till after that season..[/quote]

Exactly. It really looked like Casserly finally had the team ready to turn the corner in 99. Snyder had nothing to do with that playoff team but somehow gets credit as one of his few playoff years. LOL. We all saw what happened once he really took control in 2000.

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[quote=Chico23231;1098536]Man, f*ck the Rams and Jeff Fischer. They aint got nothing to talk about, they are buried in that division



Colt McCoy is getting more tests on his strained neck Monday.

We still don't have an exact diagnosis on the injury that knocked McCoy out of Sunday's ugly loss to the Rams. His status for Week 15 is unknown, with backup Robert Griffin III waiting in the wings.

Per Kiem.


Im sorry, but it make zero sense to play Colt now, RG3 needs to be back there.

This sounds like a man down situation[/quote]

I'd rather them play Kirk. At least he can move the offense. I have no desire to see Griffin back out there this year at all. He can't run the offense at the most basic level.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk;1098552]92-98 were some lean years. My point was regarding the "Snyder curse", Snyder may have come along and messed shit up, but we were already far removed from the glory days.[/QUOTE]


True the wheels were coming off, but Snyder got in the drivers seat and drove it off a cliff. Than walked down to the burning vehicle and poured gasoline on it. Than he picked up what was left and tied it in a bag with heavy chains and sunk it in the middle of the ocean.
Atleast we were not a laughing stock.


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[quote=punch it in;1098564]True the wheels were coming off, but Snyder got in the drivers seat and drove it off a cliff. Than walked down to the burning vehicle and poured gasoline on it. Than he picked up what was left and tied it in a bag with heavy chains and sunk it in the middle of the ocean.[/quote]

That sounds like the script of a [I]Bang![/I] cartoon.

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[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2293254-robert-griffin-iii-punting-footballs-for-40-minutes-is-a-sad-inexplicable-story?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-national]Robert Griffin III Punting Footballs for 40 Minutes Is a Sad, Inexplicable Story | Bleacher Report[/url]

I don't like RG3 but this is probably one of the saddest things i've ever read about an NFL player...

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RGIII career is far from over..if he does not play here again he will someplace else..he needed some growing up to do and maybe he has..think about it if he has a good game it could boost his confidence and he could bounce back..trouble is ..what QB in the league could play well with this totally cluster of a team..Brady or Rogers would not win 7 games with this team!!

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After having all day to recover from the drubbing by St Louis (actually the humiliation),
I'm centered again.

I believe in Jay Gruden....he is part of the solution in my book.

I think he needs to make some tough choices in order to push the franchise forward, but I really have no doubt that he will figure it out.

The guy has succeeded at every level, every other position he's held.

He knows football.

I think this first year will teach him a lot...I think he's a good natured guy, but unfortunately, I think in order to grow, he'll have to look beyond friendships and make hard decisions.

Ultimately, I think he will.

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[QUOTE=SolidSnake84;1098625][url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2293254-robert-griffin-iii-punting-footballs-for-40-minutes-is-a-sad-inexplicable-story?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-national]Robert Griffin III Punting Footballs for 40 Minutes Is a Sad, Inexplicable Story | Bleacher Report[/url]



I don't like RG3 but this is probably one of the saddest things i've ever read about an NFL player...[/QUOTE]


Is it being overly critical to say that if he is going to spend time after practice working it should NOT be on punting???


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^ He's obviously not dedicated to his craft.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1098588]That sounds like the script of a [I]Bang![/I] cartoon.[/quote]

I miss those. are they doing new ones?

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1098625][url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2293254-robert-griffin-iii-punting-footballs-for-40-minutes-is-a-sad-inexplicable-story?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-national]Robert Griffin III Punting Footballs for 40 Minutes Is a Sad, Inexplicable Story | Bleacher Report[/url]

I don't like RG3 but this is probably one of the saddest things i've ever read about an NFL player...[/quote]

(in best jeopardy style) What does a 24 year old millionaire look like when he hits rock bottom?

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[QUOTE=Mattyk;1098651]^ He's obviously not dedicated to his craft.[/QUOTE]


I detect sarcasm. Lol. I was being 95% funny. I just think it is a strange thing, but 5 % of me really thinks that with all the talk surrounding his work ethic and future here - i dont know - practice throwing the ball through a tire if u are all alone and still out on the practice field. Do they still use tires?


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[quote=Mattyk;1098651]^ He's obviously not dedicated to his craft.[/quote]

It wasn't long ago when you were giving me the [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/52226-off-season-griffin-man-crush-thread-11.html"]goat award[/URL] for saying the same thing. Times [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/56020-sally-jenkins-strikes-again-5.html"]done changed[/URL].

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not a fan

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[quote=los panda;1099264]not a fan[/quote]

???

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[QUOTE=Rotten1980;1099266]???[/QUOTE]


Its the everything Gruden thread and I believe that Panda is not a fan.


I'm living in yesterday's tomorrows.

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[quote=punch it in;1098641]Is it being overly critical to say that if he is going to spend time after practice working it should NOT be on punting???


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Yeah, probably overly critical. Doesn't sound like anything more than someone who needs some alone time - to try to wrap his head around how he got "here". I mean no one saw this coming 24 months ago.

I imagine it's hard for him to swallow, but in the end I think benching him will turn out to be the best thing for him. He may not realize it yet, but Gruden does. Robert has to get his head right. He has the physical tools, but mentally he's broken. He has no chance of regaining his mental confidence behind this O-line. Give him a rest, physically and mentally - and make him earn his way back on...sounds like a sound plan to me. And if it doesn't work out next year - move on.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1099289]Yeah, probably overly critical. Doesn't sound like anything more than someone who needs some alone time - to try to wrap his head around how he got "here". I mean no one saw this coming 24 months ago.

I imagine it's hard for him to swallow, but in the end I think benching him will turn out to be the best thing for him. He may not realize it yet, but Gruden does. Robert has to get his head right. He has the physical tools, but mentally he's broken. He has no chance of regaining his mental confidence behind this O-line. Give him a rest, physically and mentally - and make him earn his way back on...sounds like a sound plan to me. And if it doesn't work out next year - move on.[/quote]

And he is 24, I think that gets lost on people. These are so young with so much pressure. When I was 24 I was just starting my career on a junior level. I certainly was not suppose to be the savour of my company and do it all under the public eye.

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[quote=punch it in;1099281]Its the everything Gruden thread and I believe that Panda is not a fan.


I'm living in yesterday's tomorrows.[/quote]bingo.

i do not believe that he handles himself w the proper cool/calm. in this circus city we need a more daltonian head coach, someone who can answer the questions asked by the press w/o acting personally insulted and then airing some degree dirty laundry.

shut up and lead, same for griff.

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Have to be completely honest, I haven't seen anything that justifies bringing Gruden back for another year.
- He is supposed to be an offensive mind, yet the offense has regressed terribly all season.
- He is supposed to be a QB guy, yet the 2 young QB on the roster have not improved, actually gotten worse under him and he's trying to determine if Colt McCoy is the future at the QB position. Colt. Mc. Coy.
- The team is wildly undisciplined under him with personal conduct penalties (personal fouls, unsportsmanlike conduct), poor effort and way too many blown assignments to count. Add into that the loose culture and locker room from a 3-11 team.
- The team's performance has consistently gotten worse. They haven't competed since (maybe) the Minnesota game.
- In comparison to last year, this season 'feels' worse because there's nothing but apathy and disgust amongst the fanbase. Even as Shanahan was burning his way out of town, at least there was a thought among some that the right guy could turn things around to at least .500. I've never felt nor seen such a lack of hope.
- His talent evaluation skills are highly questionable at BEST, non existent perhaps. Lavaou & Chester still starting? Cutting so many draft picks and free agent signings? Seriously, what the hell is he doing?

I'm done with him and Allen. Blow the whole f'n thing up. Don't maintain continuity for the sake of continuity. This guy is a disaster.

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Fire Jay gruden. Seriously he's not that good of a coach and when he said he didn't know moss got kicked out I Lol'd

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[quote=Paintrain;1099767]Have to be completely honest, I haven't seen anything that justifies bringing Gruden back for another year.
- He is supposed to be an offensive mind, yet the offense has regressed terribly all season.
- He is supposed to be a QB guy, yet the 2 young QB on the roster have not improved, actually gotten worse under him and he's trying to determine if Colt McCoy is the future at the QB position. Colt. Mc. Coy.
- The team is wildly undisciplined under him with personal conduct penalties (personal fouls, unsportsmanlike conduct), poor effort and way too many blown assignments to count. Add into that the loose culture and locker room from a 3-11 team.
- The team's performance has consistently gotten worse. They haven't competed since (maybe) the Minnesota game.
- In comparison to last year, this season 'feels' worse because there's nothing but apathy and disgust amongst the fanbase. Even as Shanahan was burning his way out of town, at least there was a thought among some that the right guy could turn things around to at least .500. I've never felt nor seen such a lack of hope.
- His talent evaluation skills are highly questionable at BEST, non existent perhaps. Lavaou & Chester still starting? Cutting so many draft picks and free agent signings? Seriously, what the hell is he doing?

I'm done with him and Allen. Blow the whole f'n thing up. Don't maintain continuity for the sake of continuity. This guy is a disaster.[/quote]

The lack of developing players, the cutting of draft picks, and the overall undisciplined feel of the team are reason enough to can Gruden and Allen. The QB fiasco, is entirely on Gruden, the failure to 'coach up' either Griffin or Cousins is certainly icing on the cake, in terms of making the case to fire Gruden. The most egregious issue, and the greatest mistake of the season was keeping Haslett.

We dump Bicarri Rambo, and lo and behold, he has two interceptions of Aaron Rodgers, watch Rambo turn into a decent player for the Bills, while we continue to look for a safety. The lack of player development is astounding, and it appears the Redskins will be NFC bottom feeders for a long time, most likely we are in for back to back 3-13 seasons.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1099774]Fire Jay gruden. Seriously he's not that good of a coach and when he said he didn't know moss got kicked out I Lol'd[/quote]

That was a red flag too. How do you not realize when your players have been tossed? Did you just run into the locker room and not see the scrum? Clown shoes, man.

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Yep just a joke. Sucks to be a fan of this crap every yr

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The front office essentially got rid of the two Shannys and brought in one Gruden.

This team is essentially the same team that racked up 3 wins from last year. (I realize there have been minor changes.)

You don't change the identity and culture of a team by substituting one guy in. Gruden witnessed a class act in Marvin Lewis in Cincy during his years there. He knows what a winning culture is.

I believe the FO placed too much emphasis on continuity from last year because Gruden was a rookie HC. What ended up happening is the same losing culture and piss poor coaching was carried over.

Other than Jackson, we have the same crappy players bolstered by bad F.A. signings as last year.

Same offensive line except 77. Same defensive line exept 97. Arguably a worse deep secondary.

I have been really disappointed in Gruden as well. I think one of the biggest mistakes he made this year was not taking a timeout before the half at S.F. That was truly a rookie mistake and costs us points in a close game.

If the FO fires Gruden and brings in whoever and maintains the same crappy players and the same crappy coaching staff what should the expectations be next year?

That's exactly what happened last year.

I hope he has an opportunity to shape his coaching staff and personnel to his plan.

That way he fails or succeeds on his own merit, not B.A.'s. Anybody taking the job this year was doomed.

All that being said, I was hoping for more and he has underwhelmed big time. For the life of me, I don't understand why we can't do simple things like get Reed or Paul to block. That one little thing would be huge. Stuff like that aggravates the crap out of me.

One more year is in the cards for him here.

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The clock management before halftime should be enough reason for Gruden to be shown the door today. He's not pro HC material, it's blatant.

Hoping Snyder has already started search for Grudens replacement, anybody heard?

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[quote=Paintrain;1099767]Have to be completely honest, I haven't seen anything that justifies bringing Gruden back for another year.
- He is supposed to be an offensive mind, yet the offense has regressed terribly all season.
- He is supposed to be a QB guy, yet the 2 young QB on the roster have not improved, actually gotten worse under him and he's trying to determine if Colt McCoy is the future at the QB position. Colt. Mc. Coy.
- The team is wildly undisciplined under him with personal conduct penalties (personal fouls, unsportsmanlike conduct), poor effort and way too many blown assignments to count. Add into that the loose culture and locker room from a 3-11 team.
- The team's performance has consistently gotten worse. They haven't competed since (maybe) the Minnesota game.
- In comparison to last year, this season 'feels' worse because there's nothing but apathy and disgust amongst the fanbase. Even as Shanahan was burning his way out of town, at least there was a thought among some that the right guy could turn things around to at least .500. I've never felt nor seen such a lack of hope.
- His talent evaluation skills are highly questionable at BEST, non existent perhaps. Lavaou & Chester still starting? Cutting so many draft picks and free agent signings? Seriously, what the hell is he doing?

I'm done with him and Allen. Blow the whole f'n thing up. Don't maintain continuity for the sake of continuity. This guy is a disaster.[/quote]

This team looks similar to last year which tells me it's more on the players. Maybe another guy gets a few more wins out of this group, but at best this is a 6 win team.