Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[quote=Hog1;1117466]WOW.....that dude deserves 16m a year.[/quote]

Deserve doesn't have much to do with it if he breaks.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[quote=44Deezel;1117459]Luck's line sucks worse, Rogers and Big Ben have played with crappy Lines. It's a tired and pathetic excuse. [B] RG3 gets sacked, because he can't recognize Defenses and has zero pocket presence. [/B] KC and Colt are hardly pro-bowlers and they get sacked way less behind the same Offensive Linemen.[/quote]

Exactly, I don't understand the reason why anyone keeps making excuses for RG3. I am guessing they are a person that never played or coached the game
at any level, aren't that observant or have an ulterior motive. As I wear a Redskin hat often in public people will want to discuss RG3 with me. The apologists keep saying the coaching staff is at fault for making him a pocket passer that he is not.

I guess he is told to take a 5 step drop to point X and stand there without
moving even a step in any direction until a receiver gets open or a 300 pound defensive tackle flattens him like a pancake. He is being trained to take the
hit like a man, do not duck or turn, take the whole impact standing straight up, acting like he never saw it coming.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[quote=DYoungJelly;1117461]Cooley's more thorough film breakdown of the Detroit game: (It's labeled as such on Aug 24)

[url=http://www.espn980.com/audio-vault/]Audio Vault | ESPN 980[/url]

Cooley says he knows the offense and knows what he is talking about. I know, I know, most analysts say the same thing. It's one thing to read a break down by a writer at the Washington Post or a part time soccer analyst on bleacher report. It's another to listen to someone break down the mistakes who played in the same offense he is analyzing.

FYI, he does fault Scherff for poor play. The jist of the break down is that Grif didn't do anything that even a mediocre QB should do to mask the errors of the line.

He makes a big deal out of the one instance that Scherff and Smith were beaten each and they were able to keep the defender in front of them. This, he argues gives RG3 an opportunity to side step and hit a check down or throw it in the dirt at somebody.[/quote]


Thanks for posting. Cooley shuts up all those people yapping about "WHY WEREN'T ANY BOOTS RAN???".

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[QUOTE=htownskinfan;1117442]Holy crap where has that guy gone?? On those dropbacks he looks so comfortable,he's sliding away from pressure,he just looks like a totally different qb then he does now.His mechanics and instincts now look like shit compared to then[/QUOTE]


Shanahan had his issues including his ego for player personnel especially on defense side of ball. The guy had no clue about building a defense despite wanting the power.

Having said that, he deserves credit for knowing what it would take to have RG3 succeed; the R/O.

He's right to blast both Gruden and Griffin. If either of these two want to salvage their nfl careers, they should welcome the R/O with open arms. Refusing to play to the strengths of the player will cost Gruden his job and most likely make RG3 another Vince young

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

^^^^Do you realize that video is from 2013?

SMH even when shown video of Griffin actually running R/O the perception that he won't/refuses/doesn't want to....persists.

Why people choose to believe Mike S revisionist history is beyond me.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNQSNZbWUAAtC3h.jpg:large[/IMG]

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

From John Keim of ESPN:

"One thought from the multiple NFL people I communicated with over the weekend (scouts, executives, former executives and players) was unanimous: Quarterbacks do not improve their pocket presence and you can't win if they don't have any. And when you’re in your fourth training camp and still struggle in this area? Not good. It’s not going to change and if we’re seeing it – or other football people around the league are seeing it -- you can bank on it that the Redskins see it as well."

"The Redskins were genuinely encouraged by some early signs -- I saw and heard the positives. But it can be difficult to get a good read on pocket presence in practice. You’re in shorts and the rushers pull up. In games, it’s a different speed and flaws are magnified."[SIZE="2"][/SIZE]

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[quote=KI Skins Fan;1117480]From John Keim of ESPN:

"[B]One thought from the multiple NFL people I communicated with over the weekend (scouts, executives, former executives and players) was unanimous: Quarterbacks do not improve their pocket presence and you can't win if they don't have any. And when you’re in your fourth training camp and still struggle in this area? Not good[/B]. It’s not going to change and if we’re seeing it – or other football people around the league are seeing it -- you can bank on it that the Redskins see it as well."

"The Redskins were genuinely encouraged by some early signs -- I saw and heard the positives. But it can be difficult to get a good read on pocket presence in practice. You’re in shorts and the rushers pull up. In games, it’s a different speed and flaws are magnified."[SIZE="2"][/SIZE][/quote]

Note to front office, never draft a gimmick, spread, read option QB again. We mortgaged the future of a franchise on an athlete at QB, not a QB. Effing Danny Boy and Bruce.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[quote=30gut;1117472]^^^^Do you realize that video is from 2013?

SMH even when shown video of Griffin actually running R/O the perception that he won't/refuses/doesn't want to....persists.

Why people choose to believe Mike S revisionist history is beyond me.[/quote]

Good point on that being from 2013 but doesnt change the fact that he's still not that good,looks like he's regressed from 2013.
I dont think its revisionist history on Mike S.In that training camp and all off season the talk was on Griff becoming more of a pocket passer,yes he still ran the read option that yr but not near as much.I dont think anyones ever said they didnt run it anymore,if they did they dont know what theyre talking about.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[quote=Chico23231;1117483]Note to front office, never draft a gimmick, spread, read option QB again. We mortgaged the future of a franchise on an athlete at QB, not a QB. Effing Danny Boy and Bruce.[/quote]


[B][SIZE="7"]I TOLD YOU ALL SO![/SIZE][/B]


Yeah. I went there. Let me have this. :laughing-

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[quote=NC_Skins;1117485][B][SIZE="7"]I TOLD YOU ALL SO![/SIZE][/B][/quote]

[SIZE="1"]I wanted him.[/SIZE]

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[quote=NC_Skins;1117485][B][SIZE="7"]I TOLD YOU ALL SO![/SIZE][/B]


[B]Yeah. I went there[/B]. Let me have this.[/quote]

Yes you did. This is not a competition, get over it. :tongue:

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

I was a long time supporter and am finally off the train, I really think that like Spurrier did to Ramsey and Campbell, Shanahan's unwillingness to stand up to Snyder/Griffin and keep him from coming back his rookie season has broken him and he is done.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1117480]From John Keim of ESPN:



"One thought from the multiple NFL people I communicated with over the weekend (scouts, executives, former executives and players) was unanimous: Quarterbacks do not improve their pocket presence and you can't win if they don't have any. And when you’re in your fourth training camp and still struggle in this area? Not good. It’s not going to change and if we’re seeing it – or other football people around the league are seeing it -- you can bank on it that the Redskins see it as well."



"The Redskins were genuinely encouraged by some early signs -- I saw and heard the positives. But it can be difficult to get a good read on pocket presence in practice. You’re in shorts and the rushers pull up. In games, it’s a different speed and flaws are magnified."[SIZE="2"][/SIZE][/QUOTE]


Said this two years ago. This is not something you learn. You either have it or you do not.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[quote=Chico23231;1117483]Note to front office, never draft a gimmick, spread, read option QB again. We mortgaged the future of a franchise on an athlete at QB, not a QB. Effing Danny Boy and Bruce.[/quote]

Let's go with the thinking that Griffin is a complete bust for a second. I still hold out hope that he can get better, but the pocket presence problem is definitely a real issue.

But assuming he craps out on this last year of his rookie contract, let's talk about how much future we've actually mortgaged. It's important to think of it this way, putting perspective into just how much we gave up.

In 2012 we gave up a 1st and a 2nd rounder, those players would be finishing their rookie contracts this year. So in 2016, to still have them, we'd have to pay them. They'd take up cap space, and with us fairly close to maxed out on cap space at the moment, that means we'd have to say goodbye to other players, or we would have foregone an acquisition or two this past season, like Culliver perhaps. All this is to say that the value of the 2012 picks is now in the rear view mirror. We would still have those players available to extend to a 2nd contract, but that costs cap space, meaning it pushes someone out.

So I look at the mortgage taken out on the 2012 draft picks as paid off after this season.

Then in 2013 we gave up a 1st rounder. Same logic, that player would finish his rookie contract in 2016. So in 2017 it takes cap space, meaning one less free agent we can acquire. So the mortgage on that 2013 pick will be paid off after 2016.

And the 2014 1st rounder, that mortgage is paid off after 2017.

So yeah you give up a lot to get Griffin and take a shot. But it's not like we're set back for 10 years like everyone loves to say, as a soundbyte. Entering 2018 the Griffin trade will be completely in the rear view mirror, it's just a matter of whether we're smart enough to deploy our resources wisely to put together a successful team.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

In response to Kiem's article:

Lol, so now the narrative is that Griffin doesn't have pocket presence and its something that can't be improved?

Rolls eyes.

I call BS. It's all moot b/c I have long believed this marriage is gonna end soon.

But this narrative doesn't past the smell test. Griffin's 'lack of pocket presence' doesn't appear to be a cause of his struggles rather a symptom of his struggles with the offense.

No one every pointed to Griffin's pocket presence as an issue until he started struggling with the offense.

So my response to this latest narrative is (if you're gonna bench the kid just do it, let's end this bizzare spectacle where we pretend the HC supports Griffin.) My response is that Griffin had pocket presence and so IF he has lost it can be regained.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1117487][SIZE="1"]I wanted him.[/SIZE][/QUOTE]


I wanted him so bad. Remember praying that the Colts did not call his name!

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[QUOTE=30gut;1117500]Lol, so now the narrative is that Griffin doesn't have pocket presence and its something that can't be improved?



Rolls eyes.



I call BS. It's all moot b/c I have long believed this marriage is gonna end soon.



But this narrative doesn't past the smell test. Griffin's 'lack of pocket presence' doesn't appear to be a cause of his struggles rather a symptom of his struggles with the offense.



No one every pointed to Griffin's pocket presence as an issue until he started struggling with the offense.



So my response to this latest narrative is (if you're gonna bench the kid just do it, let's end this bizzare spectacle where we pretend the HC supports Griffin.) My response is that Griffin had pocket presence and so IF he has lost it can be regained.[/QUOTE]


But pocket presence was not a big issue when he was running all over the place making people look silly. However as many people pointed out at the time (i was not one of them and not claiming to be one) he was going to get injured time and time again playing like that. It was only a matter of time before he had to adapt - and he does not have the natural ability or "talent" to do so. Sad but very very true. In response to your point about Griff having had the pocket presence in 2012. I dont believe he did. I believe though that it was masked by the playcalling. But that was like putting a band aid on a severe flesh wound.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[quote=Schneed10;1117499]Let's go with the thinking that Griffin is a complete bust for a second. I still hold out hope that he can get better, but the pocket presence problem is definitely a real issue.

But assuming he craps out on this last year of his rookie contract, let's talk about how much future we've actually mortgaged. It's important to think of it this way, putting perspective into just how much we gave up.

In 2012 we gave up a 1st and a 2nd rounder, those players would be finishing their rookie contracts this year. So in 2016, to still have them, we'd have to pay them. They'd take up cap space, and with us fairly close to maxed out on cap space at the moment, that means we'd have to say goodbye to other players, or we would have foregone an acquisition or two this past season, like Culliver perhaps. All this is to say that the value of the 2012 picks is now in the rear view mirror. We would still have those players available to extend to a 2nd contract, but that costs cap space, meaning it pushes someone out.

So I look at the mortgage taken out on the 2012 draft picks as paid off after this season.

Then in 2013 we gave up a 1st rounder. Same logic, that player would finish his rookie contract in 2016. So in 2017 it takes cap space, meaning one less free agent we can acquire. So the mortgage on that 2013 pick will be paid off after 2016.

And the 2014 1st rounder, that mortgage is paid off after 2017.

So yeah you give up a lot to get Griffin and take a shot. But it's not like we're set back for 10 years like everyone loves to say, as a soundbyte. Entering 2018 the Griffin trade will be completely in the rear view mirror, it's just a matter of whether we're smart enough to deploy our resources wisely to put together a successful team.[/quote]

I dont think so much its 10 years...but when you reduce chances to get impact, franchise-changing players its lousy. Especially when you got absolute dip shits like Bruce Allen and Danny Snyder wanting RG3 over your Head Coach. Its called a circus, our front office was a joke even after Vinny. Thats been the one constant

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[IMG]http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/25/74361e96f8d2df60f67eb1cd945a4250.jpg[/IMG]

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[quote=punch it in;1117501]I wanted him so bad. Remember praying that the Colts did not call his name![/quote]

Last week I remember thinking how badly I wish we had Luck now.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[QUOTE=DynamiteRave;1117507]Last week I remember thinking how badly I wish we had Luck now.[/QUOTE]


We were so close to having him and Rodgers.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[quote=NC_Skins;1117485][B][SIZE="7"]I TOLD YOU ALL SO![/SIZE][/B]


Yeah. I went there. Let me have this. :laughing-[/quote]

Yeah right. Pull up the draft poll and see who didn't like the trade day one. Myself, SFredskin and that's probably it. Never liked the trade and nearly got ran off the board by you guys. Lol.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[quote=punch it in;1117503]But pocket presence was not a big issue when he was running all over the place making people look silly....In response to your point about Griff having had the pocket presence in 2012. I dont believe he did. I believe though that it was masked by the playcalling.[/quote]You're contradicting yourself in your own post. First you say pp (pocket presence) was not a big issue then you turn around and say that you don't believe he had it in 2012. How can playcalling mask pp? Honest question. If its something you either have or you don't how can it be effected by external factors like playcalling?

[quote]But that[2012 offense] was like putting a band aid on a severe flesh wound.[/quote]This analogy shows you have very little understanding of how good the 2012 season was. If that offense is a band-aid its a band-aid that every single team in the NFL wish they could be doing.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[quote=Chico23231;1117483]Note to front office, never draft a gimmick, spread, read option QB again. We mortgaged the future of a franchise on an athlete at QB, not a QB. Effing Danny Boy and Bruce.[/quote]Is that what you really think Griffin is? You know QBs the way you describe Griffin above are a dime a dozen.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[quote=htownskinfan;1117484]Good point on that being from 2013 but doesn't change the fact that he's still not that good,looks like he's regressed from 2013.[/quote]Oh, I agree but that wasn't the point I was responding to with that video.
I was responding to the narrative become fact that Griffin refused to run read-option in 2013.
Which as per the video obviously isn't true.


[quote]I don't think its revisionist history on Mike S.In that training camp and all off season the talk was on Griff becoming more of a pocket passer,yes he still ran the read option that yr but not near as much.I dont think anyones ever said they didnt run it anymore,if they did they dont know what theyre talking about.[/quote]There is rhetoric and there is proof. Every QB wants to become more of a pocket passer but its a far cry to say that Griffin refused/refuses to run read-option when in fact he did actually run read-option.

And plenty of people have said and continue to say that Griffin refuses to and doesn't want to run read-option.

Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[QUOTE=30gut;1117512]You're contradicting yourself in your own post. First you say pp (pocket presence) was not a big issue then you turn around and say that you don't believe he had it in 2012. How can playcalling mask pp? Honest question. If its something you either have or you don't how can it be effected by external factors like playcalling?



This analogy shows you have very little understanding of how good the 2012 season was. If that offense is a band-aid its a band-aid that every single team in the NFL wish they could be doing.[/QUOTE]


In 2012 he did not have to stand in the pocket. Not sure where the confusion lies? Pocket passer vs read option?
Im not contradicting myself. I dont believe he had pocket presence (you said he had it before). I simply said his inability to play from the pocket was not an issue because he didnt really play from the pocket than. His inability to play from the pocket was masked by the play calling.
The Shanahans were catering to his strengths. One of those strengths was not pocket presence.
Edit: as for my band aid comment, i meant that in a long term way. As in the band aid being the read option and the flesh wound being Griffs inability to be a pocket passer. Of course the 2012 season was a great offense, but we all have seen what happened when the band aid came off. Griff got hurt and almost killed several times playing in that offense. We knew it wouldnt last, and here we are.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[quote=30gut;1117515]Oh, I agree but that wasn't the point I was responding to with that video.
I was responding to the narrative become fact that Griffin refused to run read-option in 2013.
Which as per the video obviously isn't true.


There is rhetoric and there is proof. Every QB wants to become more of a pocket passer but its a far cry to say that Griffin refused/refuses to run read-option when in fact he did actually run read-option.

[B][I][U]And plenty of people have said and continue to say that Griffin refuses to and doesn't want to run read-option[/U][/I][/B].[/quote]

I dont know if people have said he refuses to,but its no secret that he doesnt want to.Him and his dad made that clear going into the 2013 season,hence thats what Shanny was eluding to in his interview.
As far as pocket presence goes,I've been complaining about it since 2013,its obvious he doesnt have it.It was on numerous scouting reports coming out of college{which I have posted before}
The pistol def helped mask that in 2012 and it wasnt an issue.Once the pistol started to be phased out and the knee injury took away his athleticism and confidence it became very apparent his pocket presence was for shit

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[QUOTE=htownskinfan;1117518]I dont know if people have said he refuses to,but its no secret that he doesnt want to.Him and his dad made that clear going into the 2013 season,hence thats what Shanny was eluding to in his interview.

As far as pocket presence goes,I've been complaining about it since 2013,its obvious he doesnt have it.It was on numerous scouting reports coming out of college{which I have posted before}

The pistol def helped mask that in 2012 and it wasnt an issue.Once the pistol started to be phased out and the knee injury took away his athleticism and confidence it became very apparent his pocket presence was for shit[/QUOTE]


Exactly. The Shanahans masked his short comings hence it was not a dang issue in 2012.

Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

Re: griffin refusal to run R/O...I'm to the point where I don't really care to know who is telling the truth Griffin or Shanahan.

Tbh, if Griffin refuses to run R/O, he will not last in this league. His only option is to embrace it or he will have a very short career and known just for that historic rookie year before he blew out his knee.

Griffin's only hope is to play in a R/O system. I could really see where skins release him and someone like Chip Kelly picks him up. Griffin has no choice but to play that system. He has never been a pocket passer and never will be.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[quote=30gut;1117512]You're contradicting yourself in your own post. First you say pp (pocket presence) was not a big issue then you turn around and say that you don't believe he had it in 2012. How can playcalling mask pp? Honest question. If its something you either have or you don't how can it be effected by external factors like playcalling?

This analogy shows you have very little understanding of how good the 2012 season was. If that offense is a band-aid its a band-aid that every single team in the NFL wish they could be doing.[/quote]

Griffin is not the type of qb that can run for 850 yards and stay upright. He isn't built like Wilson and Newton. The offense had to change. 2012 was a nice season. Griffin executed a special offense designed for him. But people need to let it go and move on. That guy and that offense isn't coming back.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[quote=skinsfan69;1117524]Griffin is not the type of qb that can run for 850 yards and stay upright. He isn't built like Wilson and Newton. The offense had to change. 2012 was a nice season. Griffin executed a special offense designed for him. But people need to let it go and move on. That guy and that offense isn't coming back.[/quote]

Wilson probably isn't built for it either, he's 3 inches shorter and 22 lbs. lighter than RG3. He just does a better job at taking care of himself and has a better team around him.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[quote=Ruhskins;1117526]Wilson probably isn't built for it either, he's 3 inches shorter and 22 lbs. lighter than RG3. He just does a better job at taking care of himself and has a better team around him.[/quote]

And yet he's never been injured in college or the NFL. He's proven his durability. He's built more like a rb where Griffin looks like a wr.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1117527]And yet he's never been injured in college or the NFL. He's proven his durability. He's built more like a rb where Griffin looks like a wr.[/QUOTE]


I agree, he has a lower center of gravity and does not look nearly as vulnerable as Griff does when he is running. Nor as confused. He has a plan when he takes off n sees the field better.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[quote=punch it in;1117516]In 2012 he did not have to stand in the pocket. Not sure where the confusion lies? Pocket passer vs read option?

Im not contradicting myself. I dont believe he had pocket presence (you said he had it before). I simply said his inability to play from the pocket was not an issue because he didnt really play from the pocket than. His inability to play from the pocket was masked by the play calling.[/quote]Of course he had to stand in the pocket. We didn't bootleg every play.

I don't mean in terms of rhetoric. Functionally how can playcalling mask lack of pocket presence? I am asking because the article put out the idea that pocket presence can't be improved. So how did this playcalling magically mask Griffin's lack of pocket presence enough to create to become one of the top offenses in the NFL? What did that playcalling do to mask it?

I would like to know where you're coming from.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[quote=htownskinfan;1117518]I dont know if people have said he refuses to,but its no secret that he doesnt want to.Him and his dad made that clear going into the 2013 season,hence thats what Shanny was eluding to in his interview.[/quote] Wait you did actually see him running read-option right?

See this is exactly what I'm talking about. Despite ACTUALLY BEING SHOWN ON FILM you're going off what Mike Shanahan said. SMH I don't know what to say. Its a no win situation. Lol, his dad.

[quote=htownskinfan;1117518] far as pocket presence goes,I've been complaining about it since 2013,its obvious he doesnt have it.It was on numerous scouting reports coming out of college{which I have posted before}
The pistol def helped mask that in 2012 and it wasnt an issue.Once the pistol started to be phased out and the knee injury took away his athleticism and confidence it became very apparent his pocket presence was for shit
[/quote]I would like to see these numerous college reports saying Griffin lacks pocket presence.

What did the pistol due to mask Griffin's lack of pocket presence.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

Griffin had alot more of it when he as a rookie, he got away from guys using his legs. That guy looks like he is gone though, I don't see it anymore.

Also Gruden is an idiot, and needs to get booted asap.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[quote=30gut;1117534]Wait you did actually see him running read-option right?

See this is exactly what I'm talking about. Despite ACTUALLY BEING SHOWN ON FILM you're going off what Mike Shanahan said. SMH I don't know what to say. Its a no win situation. Lol, his dad.

I would like to see these numerous college reports saying Griffin lacks pocket presence.

What did the pistol due to mask Griffin's lack of pocket presence.[/quote]

Am I in the drunk thread? I never said he didnt run it,just that him and his dad made it clear to whoever would listen he wanted to be a dropback passer going into the 2013 season,I never said he refused to run it or didnt run it,just that he let it be known he didnt want to run it.

As for the scouting reports,Ive posted them before 2 or 3 times,I dont feel like looking them up again,Im sure you can google RG3 college scouting reports and find them.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[QUOTE=30gut;1117533]Of course he had to stand in the pocket. We didn't bootleg every play.



I don't mean in terms of rhetoric. Functionally how can playcalling mask lack of pocket presence? I am asking because the article put out the idea that pocket presence can't be improved. So how did this playcalling magically mask Griffin's lack of pocket presence enough to create to become one of the top offenses in the NFL? What did that playcalling do to mask it?



I would like to know where you're coming from.[/QUOTE]


Ill be as simple as i can.
In 2012 RG-3 was about as far from a pocket passer as an NFL QB can be due to scheme. This masked the fact that he is not a good pocket passer. I was completely unaware this was a secret until now.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[quote=30gut;1117534]

What did the pistol due to mask Griffin's lack of pocket presence.[/quote]

I think the offense they ran in 2012 slowed the rush. When rushed, Griffin definitely took a lot of shots. But being in the pistol and faking the handoff on the zone read froze a lot of DEs. He wasn't under pressure as often, and he delivered the ball to the first read effectively.

But defenses caught onto the patterns that the Shanahans liked to run out of that formation, and they schemed to take away the first and second read.

Now of course Gruden is trying to take him in more of a traditional drop back QB. Maybe that's a mistake. But if Griffin were to keep running for 500+ yards per season I don't like his chances of staying healthy. And I'm not sure he's got the ability to become a drop-back QB. I'm just not sure about him at all.

But I'm hoping. Hoping hard for some signs of life this last season.