Re: BREAKING NEWS: Cerrato resigns (Bruce Allen hired as GM) - merged
 

[quote=SmootSmack;641061]First person I thought of was you when I heard about Allen. I honestly didn't think it would happen. I heard earlier this week the following a) Cerrato was offered the chance to remain part of the organization but was told he would no longer be in charge of football operations. I got the impression he was going to accept that b) Either Scott Campbell would be promoted to GM or Bruce Allen would be named GM c) if it was Campbell expect the Cowher rumors (as President/HC) to get serious and a fall-back option was to go after Brian Schottenheimer d) if it was Allen expect the Shanahan rumors to almost certainly be a lock (again as President/GM) e) it was leaning toward Campbell[/quote]

That's funny...only way this could be more perfect for me is if Gruden had not signed that new contract with your ESPN boys or if there was a way out of it. So you think Allen as VP & GM increases the chances of landing Shanahan? I was thinking that it would lower the chances since Shanahan would report to Allen unless they gave Shanahan the President title I guess.

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Cerrato resigns (Bruce Allen hired as GM) - merged
 

[quote=celts32;641082]That's funny...only way this could be more perfect for me is if Gruden had not signed that new contract with your ESPN boys or if there was a way out of it. So you think Allen as VP & GM increases the chances of landing Shanahan? I was thinking that it would lower the chances since Shanahan would report to Allen unless they gave Shanahan the President title I guess.[/quote]

Let's all clear this up...there's no way in hell Gruden's contract precludes him from taking a football job. Not in any obstructive way.

re: BREAKING NEWS: Cerrato resigns (Bruce Allen hired as VP/GM) - merged
 

[quote=Mattyk72;641075]From what SS is saying, the GM role could still go to Shanahan[/quote]

We may not hire someone with the title of GM...we haven't had one. So Allen could be Vinny's direct replacement in job duties? With Shanny as the head coach with some input in the personnel decisions?

I'd hope and expect that Allen and Shanahan would work TOGETHER as opposed to the HC trying to control the team completely. That usually doesn't end well, but I'd have more faith in Shanahan than Holmgren to succeed in the dual role.

With this speculation, I'd still love to get Gruden despite his ESPN contract.

re: BREAKING NEWS: Cerrato resigns (Bruce Allen hired as VP/GM) - merged
 

Smoot, if Allen is GM, why does that make Shanahan almost a lock? I thought Shanahan would want total control.

re: BREAKING NEWS: Cerrato resigns (Bruce Allen hired as VP/GM) - merged
 

A good article on Bruce Allen in Tampa
[url=http://www.tampabay.com/sports/football/bucs/article968391.ece]The Bruce Allen era as general manager of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers - St. Petersburg Times[/url]

re: BREAKING NEWS: Cerrato resigns (Bruce Allen hired as VP/GM) - merged
 

So by hiring Allen, are we rebuilding and starting over. JC may possibly have to learn a brand new O?

re: BREAKING NEWS: Cerrato resigns (Bruce Allen hired as VP/GM) - merged
 

[quote=Buster;641086]We may not hire someone with the title of GM...we haven't had one. So Allen could be Vinny's direct replacement in job duties? With Shanny as the head coach with some input in the personnel decisions?

[B]I'd hope and expect that Allen and Shanahan would work TOGETHER[/B] as opposed to the HC trying to control the team completely. That usually doesn't end well, but I'd have more faith in Shanahan than Holmgren to succeed in the dual role.

With this speculation, I'd still love to get Gruden despite his ESPN contract.[/quote]

This is the reason why I would want Gruden instead of Shanahan. Allen and Chucky have worked together before.

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[quote=Mattyk72;641075]From what SS is saying, the GM role could still go to Shanahan[/quote]

I was listening to ESPN980 and they were saying that Allen was being named VP & GM.

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Cerrato resigns (Bruce Allen hired as GM) - merged
 

[quote=FRPLG;641085]Let's all clear this up...there's no way in hell Gruden's contract precludes him from taking a football job. Not in any obstructive way.[/quote]

Well...it would be really difficult next season. Not impossible but difficult. Crazy how we have a Monday Night game coming up

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Cerrato resigns (Bruce Allen hired as GM) - merged
 

[quote=FRPLG;641085]Let's all clear this up...there's no way in hell Gruden's contract precludes him from taking a football job. Not in any obstructive way.[/quote]

From what I heard Schefter a few weeks back his contract would make it difficult to leave ESPN right away, but not impossible. At that time Schefter said the chances of Gruden coming back for 2010 was "less than zero".

re: BREAKING NEWS: Cerrato resigns (Bruce Allen hired as VP/GM) - merged
 

[quote=Jamaican'Skin;641089]So by hiring Allen, are we rebuilding and starting over. JC may possibly have to learn a brand new O?[/quote]

No. All of the candidates for HC all run the same west coast offense. They might have a wrinkle or two slight difference, but the terminology is all the same. It will be easy for Campbell.

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[quote=skinsfan69;641059]I agree but he was fired for not being able to communicate with the players. When he was let go I remember very well that a lot of the players did not have nice things to say about him. That does concern me a little bit.[/quote]

This doesn't concern me. A coach that really pushes players and holds them accountable won't be everyone's best friend.

Look at Zorn and the players' relationship with him. He's their buddy, they DO support him and play hard for him, yet he doesn't make the tough and necessary decisions with the team. If Gruden were the coach, there's no way Randel El would be given a countless number of chances to repeat failure and Landry wouldn't be allowed to relax so many times on coverage without long-term and tough repercussions.

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Can we clarify what Allen's title is? I'm seeing VP, and also VP/GM.

re: BREAKING NEWS: Cerrato resigns (Bruce Allen hired as VP/GM) - merged
 

[quote=Mattyk72;641099]Can we clarify what Allen's title is? I'm seeing VP, and also VP/GM.[/quote]

ESPN 980 said VP/GM and WaPost:

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/report-allen-to-take-over-reds.html]Redskins Insider - Report: Bruce Allen to take control of Redskins[/url]

[quote]Bruce Allen, the son of former Redskins coach George Allen, will be the new [B]executive vice president of football operations and general manager[/B] of the Washington Redskins, according to readio station ESPN 980.[/quote]

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Cerrato resigns (Bruce Allen hired as GM) - merged
 

[quote=SmootSmack;641093]Well...it would be really difficult next season. Not impossible but difficult. Crazy how we have a Monday Night game coming up[/quote]

By difficult I assume you mean a large buyout...in that case if Allen wants Gruden and Gruden wants to work with Allen again then the Redskins could pay off ESPN to get Gruden out if they really want him.