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[quote=SFREDSKIN;686286]Unfortunately Shanahan is a 3-4 guy, he's trying to get the appropriate player for that scheme, Haynesworth just doesn't want to switch to NT. Can't blame AH since when he signed he specified a 4-3 D. There was nothing wrong with running a 4-3 which Shanahan should have kept and everyone would be happy.[/quote]

Good point......That's why I'm hoping Kemo will be ready to go at some point during training camp, maybe that will take a little of the pressure off if Haynesworth is still here.

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[quote=SBXVII;684935]Schefter is a pretty accurate media source. However it's not the fact that the Skins are not actively shopping AH right now thats the issue, it's the fact the Skins even tried period.

The Eagles say the Skins tried to shop AH in the deal for McNabb. That was after March 31st. So was there a first offering prior to March 31st with AH shopped to them and they refused, or is everyone lieing about the fact that the deal started 4 days prior to Easter Sun.?

or was AH shopped to another team prior to March 31st and for who or why was he shopped?

Lastely if AH was shopped goes to show the team is not at odds about trading AH even though he supposedly has not been shopped since March 31st.[/quote]


Exactly, what do the Eagles gain from lying about AH being shopped during the McNabb acquisition? And if they aren't lying about March 31, does that mean he was on the block during talks prior to March 31? This is just damage control/ disinformation. Sort of silly if you ask me. Everyone knows AH isn't a 3-4 guy and probably wasn't happy about Haslett's move to the 3-4. I expect some rather interesting scenarios coming on draft day.

Re: Schefter: "Skins NOT shopping Big Al"
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;686286]Unfortunately Shanahan is a 3-4 guy, he's trying to get the appropriate player for that scheme, Haynesworth just doesn't want to switch to NT. Can't blame AH since when he signed he specified a 4-3 D. [B]There was nothing wrong with running a 4-3 which Shanahan should have kept and everyone would be happy[/B].[/quote]

That's not how it works though.

A new head coach (especially an established and successful one) means new systems, new players, and a new culture.

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I'm sorry but this is a tired old subject. As I said in a previous post, the most important word here is simply "anymore".

The shopping is over. The defense is being constructed WITH Big Al.

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[quote=Mattyk;686487]That's not how it works though.

A new head coach (especially an established and successful one) means new systems, new players, and a new culture.[/quote]

While I agree with you about "that is the way it is", anyone with knowledge of systems science knows that using a prescriptive solution to a complex problem rarely yields good results.

If the Redskins succeed, it will be because the coaches fit an appropriate methodology to the system (players, culture, contracts, playbook, politics, money, egos...). This will require the coaches to re-evaluate their methods as much as the players will.

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Joe Gibbs was probably the most respected HC the Redskins have ever had. Not only that, a coach that has actually accomplished something with the organization. He had a situation with Sean Taylor one off-season very reminiscent to what we're seeing now with Haynesworth, Sean refused to even return Gibbs's calls but he didn't hold a grudge against him because he wasn't here, he continued to show him the utmost respect, and it was never more evident than in his passing.

Shanahan so far has done absolutely nothing for the Redskins, while I respect what he has accomplished elsewhere we're riding a hope that his previous success will translate to Washington. If the best HC we've ever had has the know-how to deal with sometimes uncooperative players without creating a frenzy, Shanahan should be able to do the same. I can understand what he's trying to accomplish but there may be a better way of going about it.

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[quote=Longtimefan;686497]Joe Gibbs was probably the most respected HC the Redskins have ever had. Not only that, a coach that has actually accomplished something with the organization. He had a situation with Sean Taylor one off-season very reminiscent to what we're seeing now with Haynesworth, Sean refused to even return Gibbs's calls but he didn't hold a grudge against him because he wasn't here, he continued to show him the utmost respect, and it was never more evident than in his passing.

Shanahan so far has done absolutely nothing for the Redskins, while I respect what he has accomplished elsewhere we're riding a hope that his previous success will translate to Washington. If the best HC we've ever had has the know-how to deal with sometimes uncooperative players without creating a frenzy, Shanahan should be able to do the same. I can understand what he's trying to accomplish but there may be a better way of going about it.[/quote]

One thing for sure, Shanahan is no Gibbs and never will, actually nobody will ever be like Gibbs.

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[quote=Longtimefan;686497]Joe Gibbs was probably the most respected HC the Redskins have ever had. Not only that, a coach that has actually accomplished something with the organization. He had a situation with Sean Taylor one off-season very reminiscent to what we're seeing now with Haynesworth, Sean refused to even return Gibbs's calls but he didn't hold a grudge against him because he wasn't here, he continued to show him the utmost respect, and it was never more evident than in his passing.

Shanahan so far has done absolutely nothing for the Redskins, while I respect what he has accomplished elsewhere we're riding a hope that his previous success will translate to Washington. If the best HC we've ever had has the know-how to deal with sometimes uncooperative players without creating a frenzy, Shanahan should be able to do the same. I can understand what he's trying to accomplish but there may be a better way of going about it.[/quote]

Joe Gibbs 2.0 wasn't anything like the first go around.

Shanahan was brought in to correct the mistakes of the last two or three administrations. If the players feel like they make the rules, then the team will be no different and the results will be the same.

I don't think Shanahan and Allen have any intention of allowing the previous mistakes to be repeated.

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Mardy Gilyard? I doubt we go after a WR...but right now i'm totally clueless as to what we are going to do. I honestly want the HOTEL here ASAP to anchor our line...well maybe not anchor...but be better than Heyer!

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;686505]Joe Gibbs 2.0 wasn't anything like the first go around.

Shanahan was brought in to correct the mistakes of the last two or three administrations. If the players feel like they make the rules, then the team will be no different and the results will be the same.

I don't think Shanahan and Allen have any intention of allowing the previous mistakes to be repeated.[/quote]

In Gibbs 2.0 he didn't have the energy and drive of the Gibbs 1.0, still he made the franchise respectable again and took the team to 2 playoffs. Let's see what Shanahan can do before we crown him as the savior.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;686508]In Gibbs 2.0 he didn't have the energy and drive of the Gibbs 1.0, still he made the franchise respectable again and took the team to 2 playoffs. Let's see what Shanahan can do before we crown him as the savior.[/quote]


No one is badmouthing St. Joe and yes he brought some respectability. I would argue that Joe was still a great motivator it is just that too many awful personnel moves led to his return falling way short of the unrealistic expectations.

I am not calling Shanahan a savior. I would rather refer to him as the Drillsergeant.

Re: Schefter: "Skins NOT shopping Big Al"
 

[quote=Pocket$ $traight;686505]Joe Gibbs 2.0 wasn't anything like the first go around.

Shanahan was brought in to correct the mistakes of the last two or three administrations. If the players feel like they make the rules, then the team will be no different and the results will be the same.

I don't think Shanahan and Allen have any intention of allowing the previous mistakes to be repeated.[/quote]

Except for the fact there's no one in violation of the rule. In this particular case, the player is completely within his rights to do what he's doing. Granted the coach might not like it, but his response cannot be a childish one if he intends to lead. Respect is a double edge sword, you have to give it to get it.

Shanahan and Allen may be concerned about the players repeating the mistakes of the past, but I'm more concerned about them repeating past mistakes.

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Agreed Longtimefan

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[quote=12thMan;686481]it's incredible to me how people can't see that Haynesworth, though a talented athlete, is being selfish in this instance. And he's coming across with the very attitude that has hindered the franchise in years past. That's was so wrong about it to me. Sure it's his RIGHT to work out with his personal trainer, but that still doesn't make it [I]alright. [/I][/quote]

Is it alright for Rocky McIntosh to work out with his personal trainer?

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[quote=Longtimefan;686519]Except for the fact there's no one in violation of the rule. In this particular case, the player is completely within his rights to do what he's doing. Granted the coach might not like it, but his response cannot be a childish one if he intends to lead. Respect is a double edge sword, you have to give it to get it.

Shanahan and Allen may be concerned about the players repeating the mistakes of the past, but I'm more concerned about them repeating past mistakes.[/quote]

1st of all, I don't like Albert Haynesworth. That's my preface. This is a great post, LTF. 100% agree. I love that Shanny/Allen want to lay down the law. But I don't want them to do it like a 8 year old throwing a temper tantrum and stomping his feet with his fingers in his ears.