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And another thing, NFL sources saying they could see Haynesworth having no problem playing for the Vikings is NOT the same thing as Haynesworth telling close associates he want to play for the Vikings

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I am a Godzilla supporter but I have accepted him for what he is, a selfish player and bad teammate. He is what he is. So people can complain that he is worthless and out of shape and rolls on the field blah blah blah. The bottom line is he is the most talented player on the team and the Redskins are better when he is playing. Yes he was out of shape last year (although I have yet to see a 350 pounder who is in shape...) but he did exactly what he was brought here to do.

You cannot blame Albert for the current situation. Every warning sign was there and the idiots who were running the team when he was signed (Snyder and Vinny....most likely in that order) structured his contract where the team had zero leverage. So this situation is exactly what they asked for. You don't blame the lion when he eats the trainer. So it is useless to blame Albert for what the Redskins made him.

I hope he is working hard and destroys everything in sight next year. He is not a leader, he is a terrible teammate and he has been paid to do whatever the eff he wants. Oh well, if he single handedly stops the Giants and Cowboys on 4th and 1 plays consistently, I could care less what the jealous fans and reporters say about him.

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[quote=Mattyk;700214]So why do you seem to be siding more with the rumors?

[B]The truth probably lies in the middle somewhere.[/B][/quote]

Well, the truth is probably what Philip Daniels is saying in this article by Mike Wise, which is a great read IMO.

[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/09/AR2010050903014.html"]washingtonpost.com[/URL]

I know you (and others here) have maintained that all these activities so far have been voluntary so it's really not a big deal, but literally everyone else on the roster is present except the team's highest paid player.

He makes more money than anyone on the team, yet he insists on being a perpetual malcontent with a shit work ethic and is content to just do the bare minimum as far as what the team requires from him. How many truly successful people in this world do you know that just do the bare minimum day in and day out? I don't know any. Sure he's got a contract fatter than his belly, but he could be SO MUCH MORE.

He sat out of practice repeatedly last season because he hates the D-line coach, and says it's for things like "my ankle is sore." All the while Daniels is out there at age 36 practicing with a torn biceps. Anyone who thinks Haynesworth is anything but a fat, lazy, entitled, me-first primadonna is living in la-la land.

And yet, despite no work ethic and not really caring about the team as a whole, he can still dominate when he's in the game. Imagine if he truly gave a damn? It's a shame really. I can't stand the dude.

I'll finish this post with a great quote from PD: "It says this is voluntary, but for us, what we went through last season after a 4-12 season, it's mandatory," Daniels said. "He should definitely be here. And it's a shame he's not."

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[quote=GMScud;700363]Well, the truth is probably what Philip Daniels is saying in this article by Mike Wise, which is a great read IMO.

[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/09/AR2010050903014.html"]washingtonpost.com[/URL]

I know you (and others here) have maintained that all these activities so far have been voluntary so it's really not a big deal, but literally everyone else on the roster is present except the team's highest paid player.

He makes more money than anyone on the team, yet he insists on being a perpetual malcontent with a shit work ethic and is content to just do the bare minimum as far as what the team requires from him. How many truly successful people in this world do you know that just do the bare minimum day in and day out? I don't know any. Sure he's got a contract fatter than his belly, but he could be SO MUCH MORE.

He sat out of practice repeatedly last season because he hates the D-line coach, and says it's for things like "my ankle is sore." All the while Daniels is out there at age 36 practicing with a torn biceps. Anyone who thinks Haynesworth is anything but a fat, lazy, entitled, me-first primadonna is living in la-la land.

And yet, despite no work ethic and not really caring about the team as a whole, he can still dominate when he's in the game. Imagine if he truly gave a damn? It's a shame really. I can't stand the dude.

I'll finish this post with a great quote from PD: "It says this is voluntary, but for us, what we went through last season after a 4-12 season, it's mandatory," Daniels said. "He should definitely be here. And it's a shame he's not."[/quote]

Phil is one of my fave players.. and granted it was the year after a playoff season (after 2007) but let's not forget that Phil skipped offseason workouts to compete in powerlifting only 2 years ago.. barely playoff season, driven by the aftermath of ST's death, lead by Todd Collins

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[quote=tryfuhl;700364]Phil is one of my fave players.. and granted it was the year after a playoff season (after 2007) but let's not forget that Phil skipped offseason workouts to compete in powerlifting only 2 years ago.. barely playoff season, driven by the aftermath of ST's death, lead by Todd Collins[/quote]

Well, after re-reading my post, I did make it quite a bit about PD, whereas I really wanted the focus to be on AH's lack of focus. Anyway, regardless of PD, the facts remain about Ain'tworth.

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[quote=SmootSmack;700331]And another thing, NFL sources saying they could see Haynesworth having no problem playing for the Vikings is NOT the same thing as Haynesworth telling close associates he want to play for the Vikings[/quote]

I have no problem playing Center Fielder for the Yankees.

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[quote=GMScud;700367]Well, after re-reading my post, I did make it quite a bit about PD, whereas I really wanted the focus to be on AH's lack of focus. Anyway, regardless of PD, the facts remain about Ain'tworth.[/quote]
Yeah I knew that you meant it was more of a general consensus type deal, but thought that I'd expound.. and it was in a year where Phil was seen as possibly being cut, so I focused on that as relevant

I'm not sure that any of us know what his work ethic is.. and when a 210lb receiver and a 350lb DT have ankle issues for example, it may sideline one more than the other

AH still had more snaps than any other d-lineman I believe, at least DT

we've still got plenty of Portis apologists and he sat out of practice for whatever

for AH it's whatever he shows when he shows.. I highly doubt that it's going to be a lack of conditioning

like I've tried to state a million times, it's been reported that his offseason plans have been formed before our new regime was in place... this is a guy who came out and publicly said that despite his role in helping others achieve glory he didn't feel like he was earning his salary or his stats.. he said I'm getting paid 100m and don't feel like I'm showing my worth..

until I see him flop on those statements that he made after the season I'm not going to doubt or judge him

fact is we don't have another player of his status especially in relation to his weight, position, etc.. the guy may need special measures

to me him thinking that he needs to bust ass with one guy focused just on him is encouraging

I'll gladly eat crow if proven otherwise

AH working with his guy is like Tebow working with his you know ;)

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[quote=tryfuhl;700369]Yeah I knew that you meant it was more of a general consensus type deal, but thought that I'd expound.. and it was in a year where Phil was seen as possibly being cut, so I focused on that as relevant

I'm not sure that any of us know what his work ethic is.. and when a 210lb receiver and a 350lb DT have ankle issues for example, it may sideline one more than the other

AH still had more snaps than any other d-lineman I believe, at least DT

we've still got plenty of Portis apologists and he sat out of practice for whatever

for AH it's whatever he shows when he shows.. I highly doubt that it's going to be a lack of conditioning

like I've tried to state a million times, it's been reported that his offseason plans have been formed before our new regime was in place... this is a guy who came out and publicly said that despite his role in helping others achieve glory he didn't feel like he was earning his salary or his stats.. he said I'm getting paid 100m and don't feel like I'm showing my worth..

until I see him flop on those statements that he made after the season I'm not going to doubt or judge him

fact is we don't have another player of his status especially in relation to his weight, position, etc.. the guy may need special measures

to me him thinking that he needs to bust ass with one guy focused just on him is encouraging

I'll gladly eat crow if proven otherwise

AH working with his guy is like Tebow working with his you know ;)[/quote]

I get what you're saying, and if I was forced to make a positive statement about Haynesworth, it would probably look like your post here. I just can't stand the guy.

As far as the Tebow comment, I have no idea what you mean.

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[quote=GMScud;700371]I get what you're saying, and if I was forced to make a positive statement about Haynesworth, it would probably look like your post here. I just can't stand the guy.

As far as the Tebow comment, I have no idea what you mean.[/quote]
Tebow worked with a specialist to get ready for the draft.. aka his most important off-season appointment

AH is doing the same thing and with one that he's had proven productivity with

It's not that I'm saying AH is above the law, perfect and will own the NFL.. I'm just saying as of now there's nothing to call arms to

I'm curious as to what you can't stand about him though

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[quote=tryfuhl;700372]Tebow worked with a specialist to get ready for the draft.. aka his most important off-season appointment

AH is doing the same thing and with one that he's had proven productivity with
[B]
It's not that I'm saying AH is above the law, perfect and will own the NFL.. I'm just saying as of now there's nothing to call arms to[/B][/quote]

Well, he's the only player on the entire roster not participating, there were strong rumors he was/is trying to force a trade, he's been paid $30M+ for starting 12 games, he's unwilling to even practice thus far in a brand new defensive scheme, and players are calling him out for his me-first piss poor attitude. You need more to constitute a "call to arms?"

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as far as only player, yeah I get that.. I think that that was Landry last year.. AH made it publicly known his reasoning in advance though

as far as the trade.. who knows.. as far as the pay, not his fault.. as far as the scheme, there's really not a lot for him to learn that he can't learn from june-on I don't believe, and I'm still not seeing where this is a reason for him not showing

the biggest thing that I can focus on as far as a negative would be the initial report of him showing for the first voluntary and then the next day it came out that he wouldn't.. I don't recall word on who/where/what/why/how, etc the initial statement came out unless it was tied to him not wanting to be a distraction with the media access at the end of the session

the whole trade thing could be true.. I don't like it, but if he can manage that and a new contract then he's worked the system where a lot of guys get worked, maybe he got doubled up, but that's the risk we ran signing him to what we did I guess

I can't even remember who else is calling him out at this point

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To Pocket$ point, why are any of us really surprised that Haynesworth isn't attending these camps

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[quote=SmootSmack;700384]To Pocket$ point, why are any of us really surprised that Haynesworth isn't attending these camps[/quote]

I just can't understand why he couldn't compromise just a little and attend the minicamps while continuing to work out on his own between minicamps. Honestly, I could understand that position on his part. That would seem to be reasonable and cooperative to me.

But by not bending at all under the cicumstances (a new coaching staff that is putting in a new defensive system, all of his teammates being there, the disappointing record of the team last season, etc.) he seems to me to be someone who is either just simply rebelling against authority or perhaps is trying to influence Mike Shanahan to trade him.

When I consider the strong personalities of the principle antagonists in this drama (Haynesworth and Shanahan) it's hard for me to imagine it ending with AH playing football for the Redskins. Trading Haynesworth would be the worst case scenario for me because I think that Albert is an exceptionally good football player who makes us a better team.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;700335]I am a Godzilla supporter but I have accepted him for what he is, a selfish player and bad teammate. He is what he is. So people can complain that he is worthless and out of shape and rolls on the field blah blah blah. The bottom line is he is the most talented player on the team and the Redskins are better when he is playing. Yes he was out of shape last year (although I have yet to see a 350 pounder who is in shape...) but he did exactly what he was brought here to do.

You cannot blame Albert for the current situation. Every warning sign was there and the idiots who were running the team when he was signed (Snyder and Vinny....most likely in that order) structured his contract where the team had zero leverage. So this situation is exactly what they asked for. You don't blame the lion when he eats the trainer. So it is useless to blame Albert for what the Redskins made him.

I hope he is working hard and destroys everything in sight next year. He is not a leader, he is a terrible teammate and he has been paid to do whatever the eff he wants. Oh well, if he single handedly stops the Giants and Cowboys on 4th and 1 plays consistently, I could care less what the jealous fans and reporters say about him.[/quote]

Amen!

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I think when AH does show up he going to become Daniels bitch.