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[quote=skinsfan69;1242300]Not a big fan of the Turner hire. New offense means a learning curve for an already young offense. Plus Turner was an OC for like 5 minutes. This screams good old boy hire if you ask me.[/quote]

Well, in fairness, we scored the fewest points in the NFL. Perhaps a new learning curve is in order.

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Someone please tell me of a situation where a new head coach hired a bunch of assistants that had no previous ties whatsoever to him.

People need to get over these hires being from the Panthers or other ties to Rivera. And see what happens.

As some media folks have said on Twitter, remember this is a team that went 3-13.

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i think the turner hire possibly has to do with a favor in scheme on offense. Not just the person.

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[quote=mooby;1242303]I feel bad it didn't work out with KOC but I'm positive he'll be fine elsewhere.

At this point even if you don't like Scott Turner all we can do is hope Rivera is making the right moves.[/quote]

I still feel like it's going to end up with KOC in Cleveland with McDaniels and when this is all said and done it will be a mutual split. My guess is that the hire of Turner was made possible today be it becoming clear that the McDaniels/KOC combo wasn't going to be in NY.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1242300]Not a big fan of the Turner hire. New offense means a learning curve for an already young offense. Plus Turner was an OC for like 5 minutes. This screams good old boy hire if you ask me.[/quote]

KOC was an OC for like 5 minutes as well, and presided over the worst offense in the league. Turner is, by default, an upgrade.

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1242309]Someone please tell me of a situation where a new head coach hired a bunch of assistants that had no previous ties whatsoever to him.

People need to get over these hires being from the Panthers or other ties to Rivera. And see what happens.

As some media folks have said on Twitter, remember this is a team that went 3-13.

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Exactly, pay close attention to any HC change around the league and you’ll see every HC does the same thing. They bring in their guys. Guys they know and trust so they can hit the ground running. Haven’t we seen it enough here to know this is what happens? Yet every time people seem thrown off by it. I don’t get it.



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KOC clearly wants to move on, more power to him. Let’s stop acting like it’s only a team decision.


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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1242314]KOC was an OC for like 5 minutes as well, and presided over the worst offense in the league.[/quote]

This is a great point.

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[QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;1242314]KOC was an OC for like 5 minutes as well, and presided over the worst offense in the league. Turner is, by default, an upgrade.[/QUOTE]Well to be fair Scott Turner was OC for an even shorter time.

And wasn't even Panther's OC until Rivera was fired.
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[QUOTE]On December 3, 2019, the Panthers, fired Ron Rivera and made Perry Fewell interim head coach. A few days later, Turner's father was moved from offensive coordinator to special assistant to the head coach while Turner himself was promoted to offensive coordinator replacing his father[/QUOTE]



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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1242273]Joe Judge gets a job before Eric Bieniemy? Literally makes no sense.[/QUOTE]


Maybe he doesn’t want to leave KC



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In the end it's silly to lament the loss of a guy like KOC, or hell even if Schaffer leaves who cares. Do we want Rivera in charge or not?

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[QUOTE=MTK;1242334]In the end it's silly to lament the loss of a guy like KOC, or hell even if Schaffer leaves who cares. Do we want Rivera in charge or not?[/QUOTE]This is the bottomline.

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I do want to keep Kyle Smith and Alex Santos. Weve heard enough good things about them over the years.

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[quote=SunnySide;1242338]I do want to keep Kyle Smith and Alex Santos. Weve heard enough good things about them over the years.[/quote]

JP Findlay mentioned that he believes Doug, Kyle, and Santos are safe for now.

While Schaffer was good and I wanted him to stay, he was also very close to Allen. I think that may be have been his undoing.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1242322]Well to be fair Scott Turner was OC for an even shorter time.

And wasn't even Panther's OC until Rivera was fired.
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And he really improved their offense - with a 3rd string QB - in those 4 weeks.

What has KOC ever done here to care about? He's NOT Matt Lafleur and he's certainly not Sean McVay. He may be there one day, but he's nowhere close to being in their league now.

KOC's days here were numbered the second the season was over. It would have been foolish to promote him to HC and unreasonable to expect any new HC to just hand him the job based on the mediocre (at best) job he'd done here. KOC and Turner are basically on the same level as far as i'm concerned.

Snyder was quick and decisive in hiring Rivera - clearly the top HC candidate in the offseason - and Rivera has been quick and decisive in assembling his staff. Its clear that Rivera is getting his top choices and not settling for anything. We've been screaming for YEARS that we need to let the football people make the football decisions. Its finally happening. I'm not going to whine because some Kevin freaking OConnell is leaving.