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[quote=CRedskinsRule;682475]for a 1 year loaner with minimally better stats(my opinion only), we gave up the 37th pick and a 4th next year. McNabb is what he is, but what good does he do us when he goes to the Vikings, or whereever. In the end he will be a minor improvement over JC and we will have given up 2 useful picks. But what's done is done. C'est la guerre.[/quote]

1 year loner....... I can't see Allen making this move without Mcnabb assuring at least 3 years in Washington.

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[quote=GTripp0012;682464]McNabb got just as many of his completions from dumpoffs as Campbell did. Fact: McNabb had 15 passes of 20+ yards and Campbell had 14. Calling that an upgrade is stretching: McNabb is simply less accurate.

He just got even more yards from down the field plays, which won't translate for all of the obvious reasons.[/quote]If the stats I quoted, along with McNabb's Pro Bowls and playoff success aren't enough for you to admit he's a huge upgrade over Campbell then there's nothing that will change your mind.

I think you've gone way overboard on supporting JC, but to seriously believe McNabb isn't a huge upgrade.....c'mon. You've got to look at more than just completion %.

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Friday night of the draft just got boring, barring a trade into the second or third.

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FWIW, here's what [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=5055486"]John Clayton[/URL] has to say about the deal...

[QUOTE]Despite being 33 years old, McNabb can add to the Redskins what Brett Favre added to the Minnesota Vikings last season and Steve McNair added to the Baltimore Ravens in a trade in 2006. [B]Franchise quarterbacks add points to the scoreboard.[/B] Favre added 5.7 points per game to the Vikings last season and they advanced from a 10-win team to a 12-win team. McNair added 5.5 points per game to the Ravens in 2006, and they had a 13-3 season.

Former Redskins coach Joe Gibbs thought he drafted a franchise quarterback for Snyder when he took Jason Campbell in the first round of the 2005 draft. Campbell never produced enough points for the Redskins as a starter. Under Campbell, the Redskins never averaged more than 20.9 points a game, not good enough to be atop a division.[/QUOTE]

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[quote=Lotus;682488]Friday night of the draft just got boring, barring a trade into the second or third.[/quote]

The draft came early for me!

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[quote=ChickenMonkey;682381]If you guys dont think this trade is freakin exactly what we needed.....The numbers say it all
2009 Philadelphia Eagles Mc Nabb stats 22 td's- 10 Ints-3,553 yards- 92.3% completions %......Havent seen those numbers in Washington since Doug Williams!![/quote]

I guess your blind then....

JC stats
TD's- 20
INT- 15
YRDS- 3618
Completion %- 86.4%

and JC's OL was worse. So give both QB's the same decent OL and who would do better? Thats the question. I'm not a JC fan but I'm not a McNabb fan either. I think McNabb is better at reading defenses though. Slightly more accurate.

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What's next? Sign Flozell Adams and TO?

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[quote=GMScud;682220]Well, I think losing our 2nd rounder increases the urgency to acquire more picks in this year's draft. Drafting McNabb as a 2 or 3 year band-aid doesn't change our need for a QB of the future, and we still need plenty of help in other areas.

I forsee any combination of the following players traded: Carlos Rogers, Jason Campbell, Laron Landry, and Chris Cooley.[/quote]


Yes, it is absolutely urgent that we trade that pick at #4 for more picks. I'm hoping for round 1, #13 from 49ers, and a 3rd and 5th rounder.

I understand JC for a 3rd rounder, but what about the rest of that bunch? What are they worth? Would we really get rid of LL and CC?

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;682486]
I think you've gone way overboard on supporting [B]Colt McCoy[/B], but to seriously believe McNabb isn't a huge upgrade.....c'mon. You've got to look at more than just completion %.[/quote]

There fixed it for you. Please continue.

Just found this on Redskins.com:
[IMG]http://ai.redskins.com/banners/csn-offseason267x100.jpg[/IMG]

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I think it's safe to say whenever we do make our first pick in this upcoming draft it's obviously going to be a quarterback or a running back.

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I wonder how much Brett Favre and Kurt Warner being very productive late in their careers influenced this move. You have to think, McNabb is 33 years old. No, he's no spring chicken, but he has more than enough gas in the tank. If we can draft a top flight QB in the next year or two, make a playoff run in the meantime, this move was well worth it.

In the end I think Philly did a poor job on the communications end when trade rumors started to swirl a few weeks ago. The longer it dragged on, the viable options started to dwindle and they were in a PR pickle. There's no way in hell the Redskins were on the radar when this all started. I feel like we lucked up big time on this one.

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What if McNabb is coming in to further help develop JC as the 'Skins QB? They're both allegedly good friends and stranger things have happened. Now, back to my meth lab...

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[quote=wilsowilso;682498]I think it's safe to say whenever we do make our first pick in this upcoming draft it's obviously going to be a quarterback or a running back.[/quote]

I just can't wait to invent a time machine. This team is going to be awesome with McNabb, Larry Johnson, Clinton Portis, Santana, Moss, and Willie Parker reverting back to their 2005 forms.

[quote=Dlyne8r;682501]What if McNabb is coming in to further help develop JC as the 'Skins QB? They're both allegedly good friends and stranger things have happened. Now, back to my meth lab...[/quote]

Sure you're not pushing acid? Everyone knows meth makes you smart.

[quote=12thMan;682500]No, he's no spring chicken, but he has more than enough gas in the tank.[/quote]

What the hell is a spring chicken? And no don't tell me to google it because I would rather have you, my fellow forum members bring me the answer.

In the meantime:
Blockbuster - A large bomb used to demolish extensive areas (as a city block)

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[quote=Dlyne8r;682501]What if McNabb is coming in to further help develop JC as the 'Skins QB? They're both allegedly good friends and stranger things have happened. Now, back to my meth lab...[/quote]I would say that it would be less strange than this trade, but more strange than reality should allow for (and likely will not).

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A special on Comcast Sports right now on the trade (if you're in the DC/MD/No.Va. area).

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[quote=Dlyne8r;682501]What if McNabb is coming in to further help develop JC as the 'Skins QB? They're both allegedly good friends and stranger things have happened. Now, back to my meth lab...[/quote]

HA...further develop? Not.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;682504]I just can't wait to invent a time machine. This team is going to be awesome with McNabb, Larry Johnson, Clinton Portis, Santana, Moss, and Willie Parker reverting back to their 2005 forms.



Sure you're not pushing acid? Everyone knows meth makes you smart.



What the hell is a spring chicken? And no don't tell me to google it because I would rather have you, my fellow forum members bring me the answer.[/quote]

You've never heard the term spring chicken?

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[quote=MattsRiff;682082]How Can You Guys Be Loving This??

If it truly involves us losing a 2nd rounder, it wreaks of Dan Snyder so badly. McNabb is aging and hardly more than a pocket passer anymore, and he is very very very streaky with his accuracy.
And some of you think were getting a deal if we trade 1st rounders as well as our 2nd???
THIS IS AWFUL![/quote]


Dan Snyder had nothing to do with this move.

Let's see, I seem to remember Shanahan joining a team who had a veteran star QB who knocked on the door several times but couldn't quite take the next step. What happened with that team?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;682475]for a 1 year loaner with minimally better stats(my opinion only), we gave up the 37th pick and a 4th next year. McNabb is what he is, but what good does he do us when he goes to the Vikings, or whereever. In the end he will be a minor improvement over JC and we will have given up 2 useful picks. But what's done is done. C'est la guerre.[/quote]You can't look at it that way. What we've done is immediately improved our QB situation and given ourselves MAJOR bargaining options. We can always renegotiate McNabb's contract for another 3 years if we want to keep him, trade him if not.

McNabb is a major improvement over JC. Just look at the TD% vs. INT % stats, his mobility and pocket presence is much better than JCs. His running game has been non-existent and prior to last year his receiving corps has been below average. He's also a well respected veteran QB.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;682486][B]If the stats I quoted, along with McNabb's Pro Bowls and playoff success aren't enough for you to admit he's a huge upgrade[/B] over Campbell then there's nothing that will change your mind.

I think you've gone way overboard on supporting JC, but to seriously believe McNabb isn't a huge upgrade.....c'mon. You've got to look at more than just completion %.[/quote]

I just hope people are not clinging to years past and are actually looking at what he can provide now.

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The main thing I hate about this deal is our draft. Every year we're the most inactive team on draft day. As it stands right now, this year will be no different.

Teams that consistently stay at the top of the league are the ones that stockpile the most draft picks. Still, McNabb is very likely going to be better than whoever our second round pick was going to be.

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So, any truth to a trade of JC for a 2nd rounder? Buffalo perhaps...... My ideal situation would be a trade of JC for the 2nd rounder and a swap of picks with SF 4 for 17 and another 2nd rounder. Possible?

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BMitch is related to McNabb?

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[quote=12thMan;682508]HA...further develop? Not.[/quote]Odd perspective if you think McNabb is not too old to be effective.

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[quote=12thMan;682500]I wonder how much Brett Favre and Kurt Warner being very productive late in their careers influenced this move. You have to think, McNabb is 33 years old. No, he's no spring chicken, but he has more than enough gas in the tank. If we can draft a top flight QB in the next year or two, make a playoff run in the meantime, this move was well worth it.

In the end I think Philly did a poor job on the communications end when trade rumors started to swirl a few weeks ago. The longer it dragged on, the viable options started to dwindle and they were in a PR pickle. There's no way in hell the Redskins were on the radar when this all started. I feel like we lucked up big time on this one.[/quote]I doubt that someone working in the FO would just look at age of other QBs as a significant reason behind their decisions. I think it's all Shanahan believing he can make it work with McNabb, and there is evidence that he can boost a QB's performance. Even the illustrious Elway underwent a huge stat inflation under Shanahan. Jake Plummer, a 4000+ ydseason. Steve Young had a monstrous SB performance.

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not sure if it's been posted but they said McNabb has talked to JC

told B. Mitch that it's great to be part of an organization that will do what it takes to win, looks forward to working with coach shanahan and crew and hail to the redskins

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[quote=Gtothearry;682515]So, any truth to a trade of JC for a 2nd rounder? Buffalo perhaps...... My ideal situation would be a trade of JC for the 2nd rounder and a swap of picks with SF 4 for 17 and another 2nd rounder. Possible?[/quote]

I like this situation.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;682518]I doubt that someone working in the FO would just look at age of other QBs as a significant reason behind their decisions. I think it's all Shanahan believing he can make it work with McNabb, and there is evidence that he can boost a QB's performance. Even the illustrious Elway underwent a huge stat inflation under Shanahan. Jake Plummer, a 4000+ ydseason. Steve Young had a monstrous SB performance.[/quote]Are inflated McNabb numbers worth more than inflated Campbell numbers? If so, how so?

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[B]From McNabb via BMitch:[/B] "I'm happy to be a part of this great organization (A Redskin). A team that's willing to do whatever it takes to win. Hail to the Redskins."

[B]Per Comcast[/B]: JC rumors to Buffalo, JAX, Oakland.

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[SIZE="5"]LET THE SHANOVAN ERA BEGIN!!!
[/SIZE]

(I also considered, Donohan...but Shanovan is better IMHO...thoughts?)

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[quote=Dirtbag359;682496]There fixed it for you. Please continue.

Just found this on Redskins.com:
[IMG]http://ai.redskins.com/banners/csn-offseason267x100.jpg[/IMG][/quote]
:lol:

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[quote=GTripp0012;682458]Now that we have McNabb, it makes sense to [B]trade our second rounder[/B] for Jared Gaither.[/quote]

Man, if Shanahallen can pull off trading our 2nd round pick for McNabb AND Gaither, they will be legendary..

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Originally Posted by ChickenMonkey
If you guys dont think this trade is freakin exactly what we needed.....The numbers say it all
2009 Philadelphia Eagles Mc Nabb stats 22 td's- 10 Ints-3,553 yards- 92.3% completions %......Havent seen those numbers in Washington since Doug Williams!!

Um... Rypien was the MAN (for one year)

Anyway, Monkeyboy OBVIOUSLY didn't look at Campbell's stats when he posted that. he barely did better with better receivers and a FAR better o-line. Not to mention that Donovan, who i respect, hasn't lasted a full season but once in the last 5 or 6 seasons. Imagine him after the Saints game i so often bring up. he didn't stand a chance, wheras JC almost beat them (if not for Sellers' fumble). After the first late hit on Donovan, or maybe the 8th, he'd have been on a stretcher! If Donovan stays, we better jump through all the hoops and overpay JC to be the #2 guy, cuz i don't see our o-line being good enough to keep McNabb healthy. He'll be nailed in the first quarter against the Giants or Cowgirls and he won't get up till the next wednesday.

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[quote=Dlyne8r;682501][B]What if McNabb is coming in to further help develop JC as the 'Skins QB? [/B]They're both allegedly good friends and stranger things have happened. Now, back to my meth lab...[/quote]

There should be no doubt that Campbell is not part of the plans of Mike Shanahan.

You've seen the last of JC in a Redskin uniform.

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[quote=Paintrain;682525]Man, if Shanahallen can pull off trading our 2nd round pick for McNabb AND Gaither, they will be legendary..[/quote]The key was to do it at the SAME TIME, and then use Snyder-bucks to bribe the league to look the other way until the paper-work went through.

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[quote=Gtothearry;682515]So, any truth to a trade of JC for a 2nd rounder? Buffalo perhaps...... My ideal situation would be a trade of JC for the 2nd rounder and a swap of picks with SF 4 for 17 and another 2nd rounder. Possible?[/quote]

If anyone gives us a 2nd rounder for JC, I want some of what they're smoking.

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Andy Reid looks like someone just farted on his face.

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[quote=GMScud;682530]If anyone gives us a 2nd rounder for JC, I want some of what they're smoking.[/quote]

Well there are other FO's with terrible decision makers, the way ours was during the Vinny era.

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[quote=12thMan;682510]You've never heard the term spring chicken?[/quote]

I've heard the term I just have no idea what it means exactly. All I know is that it refers to a chicken that is young. However what exactly makes it a "spring" chicken is beyond me.

By the way I looked it up. It's basically a young chicken thats ripe for slaughter.

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[quote=Ruhskins;682531]Andy Reid looks like someone just farted on his face.[/quote]

If anyone farted, my bet would be it's Reid...