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[quote=htownskinfan;1117537]Am I in the drunk thread? I never said he didnt run it,just that him and his dad made it clear to whoever would listen he wanted to be a dropback passer going into the 2013 season,I never said he refused to run it or didnt run it,just that he let it be known he didnt want to run it.
[/quote]I must be in the high thread then.

Okay lets try this then. Since I can't argue all the behind the scenes speculations.
Would you agree that its fair to say that however Griffin feels about read-option he will run in fact do it? As evidenced but him actually running read option in 2013 less then 8 months after reconstructive knee surgery?

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[quote=30gut;1117542]I must be in the high thread then.

Okay lets try this then. Since I can't argue all the behind the scenes speculations.
Would you agree that its fair to say that however Griffin feels about read-option he will run in fact do it? As evidenced but him actually running read option in 2013 less then 8 months after reconstructive knee surgery?[/quote]

I've seen Kirk and McCoy run a few read option plays in the pre season. Jay hasn't called them for Robert. But I do believe that's the ace up his sleeve, I think he'll call them some.

Robert still has the explosiveness, see that end-of-half dash for the TD against the Giants last year, the one where he fumbled the ball as he crossed the goalline. He has the explosion back. I still don't think he knows how to avoid contact well, but if Jay gets him running a bit, I think he'll do better.

If you're Robert, and it's essentially your contract year with everything to prove, I have to think you'd be willing to run the read option. Or do anything to earn a job / second contract. Especially when next season is guaranteed for $16M against injury.

If asked he will run it, and run it hard. Question is how much does Jay call it. We'll see.

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[quote=punch it in;1117540]Ill be as simple as i can.
In 2012 RG-3 was about as far from a pocket passer as an NFL QB can be due to scheme. This masked the fact that he is not a good pocket passer. I was completely unaware this was a secret until now.[/quote]So you're argument amounts to the 2012 pistol offense masked Griffin's lack of pocket presence because it masked his lack of pocket presence. Okay got it. Thanks.

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[QUOTE=30gut;1117544]So you're argument amounts to the 2012 pistol offense masked Griffin's lack of pocket presence because it masked his lack of pocket presence. Okay got it. Thanks.[/QUOTE]


Wow. Someone just cant handle the damn truth. Apparently you are the only person in the world who did not realize that the Redskins are trying to make Griff more of a POCKET PASSER and that this requires more of a POCKET PRESENCE/AWARENESS. My God can this be over now?
Edit: there is really nothing to argue as much as you are trying to turn this into one.

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@granthpaulsen: We polled #Redskins fans on FB. Who do you want starting at QB? Crazy.
Cousins, 406 votes, 77%
Griffin, 91 votes, 17%
McCoy, 30 votes, 6%.

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[quote=kingj;1117547]@granthpaulsen: We polled #Redskins fans on FB. Who do you want starting at QB? Crazy.
Cousins, 406 votes, 77%
Griffin, 91 votes, 17%
McCoy, 30 votes, 6%.[/quote]

2 things driving this..."best QB comment" and then the sh*t show that was detriot at home.

folks are tired of this jackass. Cousins shuts up and goes to work, that who I want at QB

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[quote=Schneed10;1117541]I think the offense they ran in 2012 slowed the rush. When rushed, Griffin definitely took a lot of shots. But being in the pistol and faking the handoff on the zone read froze a lot of DEs. He wasn't under pressure as often, and he delivered the ball to the first read effectively.[/quote]I know and I agree. Read-option does a lot to slow down the rush. But, the OL still wasn't good that year and Griffin still performed well. Griffin was pressured on 35% of his throw which was top 10 in NFL. You know who was the TOP QB in terms of accuracy under pressure? Guess.
[B][COLOR="SeaGreen"]Rookies at the Top

If I gave everyone reading this a chance to guess the two most accurate quarterbacks under pressure, I’d bet a very small percentage would have come back with the right answer. Robert Griffin III and Ryan Tannehill are currently first and second, respectively, in Accuracy Percentage under pressure.[/COLOR][/B]
[url]https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/11/22/sig-stats-snapshot-passing-under-pressure/[/url]

I know there is a lot of Griffin burying going on. I considered him buried a long time ago. But we gotta at least be accurate when burying the guy. Maybe it easier on some people to forget who good he was but to act like he lacked pocket presence in 2012 is going too far. Griffin stepped up, slide, side-stepped, scrambled and made plays. People are acting as if being under siege in the Lions preseason is the sum of his pocket presence. Its classic prisoner of the moment over reaction.

Also in case people are going attribute 2012 all to play action(pistol offense). Here are Griff's numbers without any play-action at all (drop back passing):

192/230--8 TDs--1 INT---66 comp%--1094 YDs-QB rating or 93.

[quote]Now of course Gruden is trying to take him in more of a traditional drop back QB. Maybe that's a mistake. But if Griffin were to keep running for 500+ yards per season I don't like his chances of staying healthy. And I'm not sure he's got the ability to become a drop-back QB. I'm just not sure about him at all.

But I'm hoping. Hoping hard for some signs of life this last season.
[/quote]Griffin wouldn't even need to run for a lot of yards to be effective in zone-read. The Eagles have imo one of the best offenses in the league (i know, i know everyone here hates Kelly) and their QBs don't run for a ton of yards.

I think Griffin can become a rhythm drop back passer, I don't think WCO is the best fit for him because he's more of power thrower then a finesse thrower and I have even more doubts that Jay is the guy to turn him into a drop back passer.

I have no idea what Jay is trying to do this year. He hasn't shown anything with the 1st string offense. Its been the definition of vanilla. 1st down under center vanilla. But the 2nd-3rd unit playcalling has been more creative. Personally I don't understand nor agree with his approach to the preseason with the first unit.
But different coaches have different approaches to preseason.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1117511]Yeah right. Pull up the draft poll and see who didn't like the trade day one. Myself, SFredskin and that's probably it. Never liked the trade and nearly got ran off the board by you guys. Lol.[/quote]

You actually had a few that didn't like the trade. I voted YES because it was a 2 option poll. The reality of my thoughts were here.

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/nfl-draft-central/46918-redskins-agree-trade-no-2-overall-25.html#post894789[/url]


I had no problem with RG3 the prospect. However, I wouldn't have given up that much to move up for him. Too bad that it wasn't Mike Holmgren that made that mistake instead of us. :(


It's great looking back at some of those threads. GTripp was almost right on this.. Luck did lead the Colts to the playoffs that year. I thought Tripp was high on drugs with that prediction...lol

[quote=GTripp0012;910089]But I think Andrew Luck will actually get the (somewhat undeserved) rookie of the year award when he leads the Colts to the playoffs in the NFL's weakest division.[/quote]


Hell...even CultBrennan was spot on....lol :laughing-


[quote=CultBrennan59;873568]Heres one of the major differences between Cam and RG3; Cam never gets injured. RG3 has torn his ACL at least once in his career. Cam is 6'5 250, RG3 is "6'2" 220...Cam can take those hits and make those cuts in the nfl, RG3 may blow out his knee game 3 he's more fragile and frail than cam.[/quote]

All in all, it's fun to look back and say I TOLD YOU SO, but even a broken clock is right twice a day. Enjoy traveling back down memory lane guys.. :food-smil

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[quote=punch it in;1117546]Wow. Someone just cant handle the damn truth. Apparently you are the only person in the world who did not realize that the Redskins are trying to make Griff more of a POCKET PASSER and that this requires more of a POCKET PRESENCE/AWARENESS. My God can this be over now?
Edit: there is really nothing to argue as much as you are trying to turn this into one.[/quote]Stop.
Don't move the goal posts.

We were talking about your comment that Griffin lacked pocket presence in 2012.

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[quote=Chico23231;1117548]2 things driving this..."best QB comment" and then the sh*t show that was detriot at home.

folks are tired of this jackass. Cousins shuts up and goes to work, that who I want at QB[/quote]

You can add a third reason, RGme's play on the field the last two years has been terrible. How much longer will we be forced to watch Griffin struggle at QB?

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[quote=Schneed10;1117543]I've seen Kirk and McCoy run a few read option plays in the pre season. Jay hasn't called them for Robert. But I do believe that's the ace up his sleeve, I think he'll call them some.

If asked he will run it, and run it hard. Question is how much does Jay call it. We'll see.[/quote]Ah, playing the inside straight? I like it.

I guess sure anything is possible. Maybe the playcalling with the 2nd/3rd unit is more like what the real offense will look like?

I think this offense could be very good with an infusion of zone-read.

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[QUOTE=30gut;1117542]I must be in the high thread then.



Okay lets try this then. Since I can't argue all the behind the scenes speculations.

Would you agree that its fair to say that however Griffin feels about read-option he will run in fact do it? As evidenced but him actually running read option in 2013 less then 8 months after reconstructive knee surgery?[/QUOTE]


Yes I agree 100 percent that he ran it,I never said he didnt,my point never was that he didnt run it,but that he did not want to.

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[quote=30gut;1117554]Ah, playing the inside straight? I like it.

I guess sure anything is possible. Maybe the playcalling with the 2nd/3rd unit is more like what the real offense will look like?

I think this offense could be very good with an infusion of zone-read.[/quote]

When your chip stack has been blinded dry and you keep drawing 7 2 offsuit in the hole, you cling to the hope of making a straight from a 9 5 offsuit.

Such is the plight of the longtime Skins fan.

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[quote=30gut;1117552]Stop.
Don't move the goal posts.

We were talking about your comment that Griffin lacked pocket presence in 2012.[/quote]

RG3 didnt really need pocket presence in 2012.

The Shannys did a great job of tailoring an offense to him. The RO, calling pass plays that didnt rely on anticipation and timing, roll outs, having RG3 only read one half of a field (if they asked him to go through reads at all) .. rg3's first reads were almost always open, especially on PA.

2012 was so ... 2012. in 2015, rg3 is what he is.

and RG3 did make it known he didnt want to be a running QB after 2012. Its been pretty much confirmed he wrote on a board what plays he wouldnt run. he said rodgers and manning arent asked to run ... he sd he is a thrower etc ... he sd he would do some RO

i dont know what the argument is.

i hope its not about 2012. that was 3 years ago and that rg3 is never coming back as decided by his injuries and rgII and rgIII.

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[QUOTE=Defensewins;1117553]You can add a third reason, RGme's play on the field the last two years has been terrible. How much longer will we be forced to watch Griffin struggle at QB?[/QUOTE]


Was gonna throw that out there. Lol.

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[quote=30gut;1117550]I know and I agree. Read-option does a lot to slow down the rush. But, the OL still wasn't good that year and Griffin still performed well. Griffin was pressured on 35% of his throw which was top 10 in NFL. You know who was the TOP QB in terms of accuracy under pressure? Guess.
[B][COLOR="SeaGreen"]Rookies at the Top

If I gave everyone reading this a chance to guess the two most accurate quarterbacks under pressure, I’d bet a very small percentage would have come back with the right answer. Robert Griffin III and Ryan Tannehill are currently first and second, respectively, in Accuracy Percentage under pressure.[/COLOR][/B]
[url]https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/11/22/sig-stats-snapshot-passing-under-pressure/[/url]

I know there is a lot of Griffin burying going on. I considered him buried a long time ago. But we gotta at least be accurate when burying the guy. Maybe it easier on some people to forget who good he was but to act like he lacked pocket presence in 2012 is going too far. Griffin stepped up, slide, side-stepped, scrambled and made plays. People are acting as if being under siege in the Lions preseason is the sum of his pocket presence. Its classic prisoner of the moment over reaction.

Also in case people are going attribute 2012 all to play action(pistol offense). Here are Griff's numbers without any play-action at all (drop back passing):

192/230--8 TDs--1 INT---66 comp%--1094 YDs-QB rating or 93.

Griffin wouldn't even need to run for a lot of yards to be effective in zone-read. The Eagles have imo one of the best offenses in the league (i know, i know everyone here hates Kelly) and their QBs don't run for a ton of yards.

I think Griffin can become a rhythm drop back passer, I don't think WCO is the best fit for him because he's more of power thrower then a finesse thrower and I have even more doubts that Jay is the guy to turn him into a drop back passer.

I have no idea what Jay is trying to do this year. He hasn't shown anything with the 1st string offense. Its been the definition of vanilla. 1st down under center vanilla. But the 2nd-3rd unit playcalling has been more creative. Personally I don't understand nor agree with his approach to the preseason with the first unit.
But different coaches have different approaches to preseason.[/quote]

Good post BUT
You can throw all the 2012 stats out the window.Its the 2013-14 years that Griff has not looked good in the dropback role.He continuously shows a lack of pocket presence,doesnt get the ball out in time,footwork is horrible,etc.
he's never been the same since coming back from the knee.

I wanted Shanahan gone after the 3rd yr,then we drafted Bob and Shanny ran an offense that fit Bob's skill set perfectly,I give him props for that.But I never thought he was a great coach,and I BLAME HIM ENTIRELY FOR BOB'S INJURY.I wonder how Griff would be now if he wouldnt have have sustained that knee injury.

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[quote=over the mountain;1117557]RG3 didnt really need pocket presence in 2012.

The Shannys did a great job of tailoring an offense to him. The RO, calling pass plays that didnt rely on anticipation and timing, roll outs, having RG3 only read one half of a field (if they asked him to go through reads at all) .. rg3's first reads were almost always open, especially on PA.

2012 was so ... 2012. in 2015, rg3 is what he is.

and RG3 did make it known he didnt want to be a running QB after 2012. Its been pretty much confirmed he wrote on a board what plays he wouldnt run. he said rodgers and manning arent asked to run ... he sd he is a thrower etc ... he sd he would do some RO

[B][I][U]i dont know what the argument is.[/U][/I][/B]

i hope its not about 2012. that was 3 years ago and that rg3 is never coming back as decided by his injuries and rgII and rgIII.[/quote]

Exactly,me neither

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[quote=30gut;1117534]Wait you did actually see him running read-option right?

See this is exactly what I'm talking about. Despite ACTUALLY BEING SHOWN ON FILM you're going off what Mike Shanahan said. SMH I don't know what to say. Its a no win situation. Lol, his dad.

[B]I would like to see these numerous college reports saying Griffin lacks pocket presence.[/B]

What did the pistol due to mask Griffin's lack of pocket presence.[/quote]

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/59843-rg3-sucks-knee-jerk-reaction-thread-9.html#post1095146[/url]

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[QUOTE=30gut;1117552]Stop.

Don't move the goal posts.



We were talking about your comment that Griffin lacked pocket presence in 2012.[/QUOTE]


He did not. He does not. He will not. Your stats about drop back passing in 2012 are skewed. He did not get rushed that much because they still feared the run. They do not anymore.

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[quote=punch it in;1117562]He did not. He does not. He will not. Your stats about drop back passing in 2012 are skewed. He did not get rushed that much because they still feared the run. They do not anymore.[/quote]

Exactly, he just isn't the same guy anymore. Face it, we need to hope for a miracle for him to get it together just for the sake of him not getting destroyed on the field

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[QUOTE=Flyer97;1117568]Exactly, he just isn't the same guy anymore. Face it, we need to hope for a miracle for him to get it together just for the sake of him not getting destroyed on the field[/QUOTE]


Yeah the miracles name is Cousins. Lol. So sad that in the third week of the preseason im looking at available qb's for next years draft. FML.

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I would trade Griffin right now for a halfway decent tight end and a 3rd rounder.

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I would trade Griffin now for whatever we could get..I am not sure there is a team in the NFL the he could be the number 2 QB for..who would it be??..who wants the drama and the injuries..you have to figure that into it. Right now if Rglll was cut outright and we were not on the hook for his salary the Redskins would be in a much better place ..

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1117577]I would trade Griffin right now for a halfway decent tight end and a 3rd rounder.[/quote]

No one sober would offer anything close to that.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1117579]No one sober would offer anything close to that.[/quote]

The Raiders then?

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[QUOTE=Buffalo Bob;1117579]No one sober would offer anything close to that.[/QUOTE]


Hey now. You dont have to be sober to be a good GM.

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........bad
funny, but.....bad

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I didnt mention any names. Lol

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This is a great breakdown between Kirk and Robert. Both have the same play ran with basically the same defense. See how one reacts and the other does.

[url=http://www.scout.com/nfl/redskins/story/1578336-conner-s-corner-the-play-action-post]Washington Redskins NFL Football Front Page[/url]

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All Griffin criticism aside, my biggest fear is chip Kelly picks him up. IMO, Kelly could get 2012 RGIII back in that system.

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[QUOTE=NC_Skins;1117590]This is a great breakdown between Kirk and Robert. Both have the same play ran with basically the same defense. See how one reacts and the other does.

[url=http://www.scout.com/nfl/redskins/story/1578336-conner-s-corner-the-play-action-post]Washington Redskins NFL Football Front Page[/url][/QUOTE]
The part of this that rings truest to me is that even the passes RG3 thrived on in 2012 he struggles with now. It just seems like something intangible got lost somewhere after his injury and now.

I just can't picture a scenario where he gets it back.

Sent from my S6 Edge

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[QUOTE=kingj;1117591]All Griffin criticism aside, my biggest fear is chip Kelly picks him up. IMO, Kelly could get 2012 RGIII back in that system.[/QUOTE]
Kelly would end up getting Griffin killed.

Sent from my S6 Edge

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1117597]Kelly would end up getting Griffin killed.

Sent from my S6 Edge[/QUOTE]


Very possible but at this stage that's griffin's only chance in this league. He needs to embrace the R/O because whether he gets killed or not he's not surviving the league as a pocket passer. Just don't see it, personally.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1117590]This is a great breakdown between Kirk and Robert. Both have the same play ran with basically the same defense. See how one reacts and the other does.

[url=http://www.scout.com/nfl/redskins/story/1578336-conner-s-corner-the-play-action-post]Washington Redskins NFL Football Front Page[/url][/quote]

That's a bad angle but what you don't see is Ryan Grant ran his route 2 yards short with RG3 at QB. Doesn't seem like a big deal but he would of been easily open and seen on the second level if he would of ran it right.

Not making excuses for RG3 though. He's thrown that 9 route million times on the money in his career. He could of still made a throw there. He went through the reads and hit his 3rd option though so there is that.

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I also don't think RG3 is regressing as much as people say. It was a handful of plays against the Lions in a handful of 3rd and longs. He's shown progression working on his pocket work in TC ( I was there) and in the first game.

People need to realize he's basically a 25yr old rookie when it comes to pocket work. I wish we would run a similar system that Wisenhunt runs to help him a bit more but Jay seems to have a plan for RG3 and that is getting him as much work from the pocket as possible while the games don't count.

Don't be surprised to see a lot DIFFERENT offense in week 1. Not to many boots though since I am aware that Miami runs the wide 9.

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[quote=Bucket;1117602]That's a bad angle but what you don't see is Ryan Grant ran his route 2 yards short with RG3 at QB. Doesn't seem like a big deal but he would of been easily open and seen on the second level if he would of ran it right.

Not making excuses for RG3 though. He's thrown that 9 route million times on the money in his career. He could of still made a throw there. He went through the reads and hit his 3rd option though so there is that.[/quote]

This is a play that every NFL team runs. Also that's just a short post. In one frame you can see KC clearly about to throw the ball just before Roberts makes his break. Griffin needs Grant to break open before he throws the ball. Just cut it loose with some anticipation and trust your wr.

This play really has nothing to do with 1st or 2nd team stuff. It's NFL QB 101. He ran this play or route a lot as a rookie but wasn't turning his back on the play action. He was making the fake off the pistol.

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The radio is hilarious, I'm going with Doc, he says it will sort itself out quick when the games are real.

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[QUOTE=Bucket;1117603]I also don't think RG3 is regressing as much as people say. It was a handful of plays against the Lions in a handful of 3rd and longs. He's shown progression working on his pocket work in TC ( I was there) and in the first game.



People need to realize he's basically a 25yr old rookie when it comes to pocket work. I wish we would run a similar system that Wisenhunt runs to help him a bit more but Jay seems to have a plan for RG3 and that is getting him as much work from the pocket as possible while the games don't count.



Don't be surprised to see a lot DIFFERENT offense in week 1. Not to many boots though since I am aware that Miami runs the wide 9.[/QUOTE]


Thanks for posting - nice to hear something positive in this thread.


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[QUOTE=NC_Skins;1117590]This is a great breakdown between Kirk and Robert. Both have the same play ran with basically the same defense. See how one reacts and the other does.

[url=http://www.scout.com/nfl/redskins/story/1578336-conner-s-corner-the-play-action-post]Washington Redskins NFL Football Front Page[/url][/QUOTE]
Excellent breakdown!

The points made made in this article, and the points made in a few other article posted, about RG3 not moving around in the pocket enough, all go back to what I, and others have said...

It looks like RG3 has lost his confidence.

Basically, it seems that RG3 "thinks too much" when he takes the snap and drops back.

My opinion, as to why he gets sacked so much is...

1. He focuses too much on the primary target, and the secondary targets,down field.

He doesn't seem to be aware of what is going on around him. Which is one of the reasons that he doesn't seem to move to the left or right to avoid the rush.

2. As the linked article points out, he doesn't seem to have enough faith in the offensive plays to stick with the play as-called, and is too ready to 'check-down'. Also RG3 seems to have lost faith in his ability to 'thread-the-needle'

So, IMHO, it seems that the problems that RG3 has are mostly confidence related.

Unfortunately, I have seen that kind of thing before, with players like David Woodley, Derrick Carr, ect.

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[quote=Bucket;1117603]I also don't think RG3 is regressing as much as people say. It was a handful of plays against the Lions in a handful of 3rd and longs. He's shown progression working on his pocket work in TC ( I was there) and in the first game.

[B]People need to realize he's basically a 25yr old rookie when it comes to pocket work.[/B] I wish we would run a similar system that Wisenhunt runs to help him a bit more but Jay seems to have a plan for RG3 and that is getting him as much work from the pocket as possible while the games don't count.

Don't be surprised to see a lot DIFFERENT offense in week 1. Not to many boots though since I am aware that Miami runs the wide 9.[/quote]

If you can't see a 6'5" 300 pound opponent coming straight for you in time to side step to make him miss (Like old slow Peyton Manning or Tom Brady)
or minimize the hit you never will.

Actually "pocket presence" and what I would call "football instincts" are mostly in your DNA you either have them or don't, you don't improve them
much with practice. Think of someone who you would consider a lifetime bad driver, someone who hits pot holes, road junk and critters with regularity, even though they have been driving for decades. Under the same road conditions you spot a ground hog running across the road 1/4 mile ahead.

Hate to use myself as an example in the late 70's early 80's I struggled to start at linebacker at a D3 college. I had measurables that a lot of high NFL picks don't have today. I had a 3.88 GPA in High School and 3.75 GPA in college. Yet my football I.Q. was too low to even register and I played all the way back to 5th grade flag football. I paid attention at practice and teammates tried to tutor me after practice. No one bit on fakes or tackled the guy without the ball more than me. I was missing something I could not acquire.

I am afraid RG3 is missing some natural instincts needed to succeed as an NFL
QB. He is like the bad driver that is always running over or into things.