Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[QUOTE=Chico23231;1151740]36 snaps total...not enough data to give a consistent picture, but he wasn't great[/QUOTE]



You know how u just have a gut feeling about whether someone will ever be a "player" or not...well my gut doesn't like Ioannidis. From the moment we drafted him i just had a "meh" feeling.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[QUOTE=Alvin Walton;1151729]Cousins isn't playing really bad right now but hes not playing lights out either.

And we do have a wining record.

A question some of you should ask yourself is do I want to spend next years #1 pick on a new QB or on that big defensive lineman that we need?

I have concerns about Cousins but I'll take that run stuffer in the first round.[/QUOTE]



Yes, yes, yes, yes, and yup.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=Chico23231;1151740]36 snaps total...not enough data to give a consistent picture, but he wasn't great[/quote]
Ah thanks man. Was curious about that.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=jamf;1151709]Are you guys seriously asking for a low rent qb?
17 QBs are scheduled to make more than $17mil next year.
KC isn't an elite QB but he isn't middle of the pack either.
he will get around $20mil next year.

IMO KC is the best redskins QB since Brad Johnson.
Becareful of what you wish for; We might be able to get Jeff George v2.0(Cutler) on the cheap next year.[/quote]

For some reason as soon as I read about how they were most likely going to move on from Cutler, i thought about the skins going after him. I remember how close we came to getting him in 2008, and back then, i was actually pretty excited....

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

No way Cutler comes here. Not a guy i see Scot going after.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

Dl all draft next year with a late Rd rb and a later Rd qb. I would love if we had a defense that other teams were scared of, instead of the defense that makes 2nd string and no name rbs have hof type days.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

Im kinda worried that if Reed is out, Cousins may have to fight through a speed bump on Sunday. I think Reed dictates coverage like Jackson and I think Reed is Cousins security blanket that he trusts.

At least we can game plan now assuming Reed will be out instead of this bombshell landing in our lap on a Friday.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

Good thing we've got some nice depth at TE. Paul should be able to fill in pretty well.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

I'm actually pretty excited to see Paul (I'm sure he is too). He was having one hell of a season the year he got hurt.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

I know our offense still looked good last year when Reed was out but I think he brings a ton of things to the table that doesnt show up on stat sheets. IM worried those medium pass plays in the middle of the field will have a tighter window. IM just worried.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

food for thought, just saw cousins stats for the last 16 games he has played
the skins are 10-6
he has thrown for over 4000 yards
has 35 TDs
and 6 picks
while im not completely sold on him, there arent a lot of QBs that stat line looks like that

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[url=http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/17778684/projecting-2017-nfl-quarterback-market]Projecting the 2017 NFL quarterback market[/url]

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[QUOTE=dmek25;1151843]food for thought, just saw cousins stats for the last 16 games he has played

the skins are 10-6

he has thrown for over 4000 yards

has 35 TDs

and 6 picks

while im not completely sold on him, there arent a lot of QBs that stat line looks like that[/QUOTE]


Very few actually. Yet a number of people are ready to let him walk so we can sign a Brian Hoyer type. Wtf?

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

Holy shit! 35 and 6?? Wow that's BIG time numbers bro. The only QB that I'd want is lynch or simien in a trade if we don't keep Kirk but I hope we do.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G920A using Tapatalk

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;1151846][url=http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/17778684/projecting-2017-nfl-quarterback-market]Projecting the 2017 NFL quarterback market[/url][/quote]

Good post. Thanks for sharing the article. I think the percentage for Cousins leaving is too low, IMO. I would say right now its probably at least 65% or 75%, realistically. I just dont see a scenario where Cousins stays here, unless we win more than 8 games, which may or may not happen...

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=punch it in;1151863]Very few actually. Yet a number of people are ready to let him walk so we can sign a Brian Hoyer type. Wtf?[/quote]

I dont think those numbers are correct,I come up with 8 ints lol,I didnt count the tds but yes those are still very good numbers.
You guys want to twist what I said{Brian Hoyer} I'm strictly talking about this year and how inconsistent he's been and if he keeps it up.
And it's not like I'm crazy,after posting what I said I've seen at least 3 national articles basically saying the same things I said,and that's not including the one just posted about qbs in 2017 that said this:

Kirk Cousins, Washington

I'm not sure we're any clearer on Cousins' future than we were before this season started. He has been up and down in 2016, with five interceptions in five starts despite throwing just 22.4 percent of his passes 10 or more yards downfield, the lowest percentage of any regular starter in football. In one game alone, a cursory tape analysis saw Cousins leave three long touchdown passes on the field with bad throws. And yet Cousins has also had stretches in which he has played at a relatively high level. His QBR of 59.6 is a step below last year's 74.5 mark, but it's still good enough for 18th in the league.

Last year, the move that made sense for all parties was for Washington to franchise Cousins, which it did. This offseason, GM Scot McCloughan will have to make a tougher call. Franchising Cousins would cost Washington $24 million on a one-year deal, which would give him the third-highest cap hit in football behind Romo and Joe Flacco. It's not off the table entirely, but that would be an inefficient use of resources. More likely, McCloughan will want to go ahead with Cousins as his quarterback on a multiyear deal or find a new passer.

To be honest, I'm not sure what the right call will be or how things will go. This time last year, Cousins still looked like a turnover machine. He threw eight interceptions in his first six starts, and then, going against everything he had exhibited throughout his career, Cousins threw just three over the following 10 games. Stay tuned.

Likelihood of Cousins leaving: 35 percent

Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[QUOTE=htownskinfan;1151873]I dont think those numbers are correct,I come up with 8 ints lol,I didnt count the tds but yes those are still very good numbers.

You guys want to twist what I said{Brian Hoyer} I'm strictly talking about this year and how inconsistent he's been and if he keeps it up.

And it's not like I'm crazy,after posting what I said I've seen at least 3 national articles basically saying the same things I said,and that's not including the one just posted about qbs in 2017 that said this:



Kirk Cousins, Washington



I'm not sure we're any clearer on Cousins' future than we were before this season started. He has been up and down in 2016, with five interceptions in five starts despite throwing just 22.4 percent of his passes 10 or more yards downfield, the lowest percentage of any regular starter in football. In one game alone, a cursory tape analysis saw Cousins leave three long touchdown passes on the field with bad throws. And yet Cousins has also had stretches in which he has played at a relatively high level. His QBR of 59.6 is a step below last year's 74.5 mark, but it's still good enough for 18th in the league.



Last year, the move that made sense for all parties was for Washington to franchise Cousins, which it did. This offseason, GM Scot McCloughan will have to make a tougher call. Franchising Cousins would cost Washington $24 million on a one-year deal, which would give him the third-highest cap hit in football behind Romo and Joe Flacco. It's not off the table entirely, but that would be an inefficient use of resources. More likely, McCloughan will want to go ahead with Cousins as his quarterback on a multiyear deal or find a new passer.



To be honest, I'm not sure what the right call will be or how things will go. This time last year, Cousins still looked like a turnover machine. He threw eight interceptions in his first six starts, and then, going against everything he had exhibited throughout his career, Cousins threw just three over the following 10 games. Stay tuned.



Likelihood of Cousins leaving: 35 percent[/QUOTE]



I wasn't really trying to key on your Hoyer comments specifically, though obviously I thought about it. Lol. A lot of folks are talking about letting KC walk so we can spend the money elsewhere and get a slightly below average or average qb. Etc etc.
Hoyer just seemed like a good example of exactly the type of QB that I don't want to see them replace Cousins with.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=punch it in;1151874]I wasn't really trying to key on your Hoyer comments specifically, though obviously I thought about it. Lol. A lot of folks are talking about letting KC walk so we can spend the money elsewhere and get a slightly below average or average qb. Etc etc.
Hoyer just seemed like a good example of exactly the type of QB that I don't want to see them replace Cousins with.[/quote]

It comes down to McCloughan's comment at one point where he said something along the lines of feeling that its foolish to pay one player that much money which will end up hurting the team because they can't use the money to build the team.

Make no mistake I think he is playing for his next team in 2017. I hate to see him go because he seems like a such a good guy and a good team mate, but we are still the Redskins and we may "redskin" our quarterback situation..

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[QUOTE=SolidSnake84;1151881]It comes down to McCloughan's comment at one point where he said something along the lines of feeling that its foolish to pay one player that much money which will end up hurting the team because they can't use the money to build the team.

Make no mistake I think he is playing for his next team in 2017. I hate to see him go because he seems like a such a good guy and a good team mate, but we are still the Redskins and we may "redskin" our quarterback situation..[/QUOTE]
Scot won't let Kirk walk if he has a Good year again and we finish solid. He's not an idiot, who else will be out there?? Romo? Lol I mean nobody to even look at and we won't have a top 5 pick

Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

If SM was so against paying a guy that much I find it hard to reason why he gave him $20m for this year. It was nothing more than negotiating talk.

QB is one of the few spots you have to tie money up in if you have a good one. Speculating at this point is kind of pointless anyway. Still a long way to go.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1151882]Scot won't let Kirk walk if he has a [B]Good year[/B] again and we finish solid. He's not an idiot, who else will be out there?? Romo? Lol I mean nobody to even look at and we won't have a top 5 pick[/quote]

Kirk just needs to get a few Goodyears from his station, [URL="https://www.goodyear.com/en-US/tire-shop/Bergenfield+NJ+07621+US/000174912"]Kirk's Good years[/URL]



[COLOR="White"]lousy pun i know [/COLOR]

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=SolidSnake84;1151870]Good post. Thanks for sharing the article. I think the percentage for Cousins leaving is too low, IMO. I would say right now its probably at least 65% or 75%, realistically. I just dont see a scenario where Cousins stays here, unless we win more than 8 games, which may or may not happen...[/quote]

And you would be way off. 35% is probably right where its at. You have nobody to replace him with. You won't draft a rookie and throw him in there game 1. You don't regress as a coaching staff. Gruden will not bring in a journeyman QB. Suffield is my anywhere near ready to play, McCoy would be regressing.

You play to win. You build your team to win every game. Kirk is the best chance we have at doing that. 13-9 as the starter since taking over.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=SolidSnake84;1151881]It comes down to McCloughan's comment at one point where he said something along the lines of feeling that its foolish to pay one player that much money which will end up hurting the team because they can't use the money to build the team.

Make no mistake I think he is playing for his next team in 2017. I hate to see him go because he seems like a such a good guy and a good team mate, but we are still the Redskins and we may "redskin" our quarterback situation..[/quote]

He said he wouldn't break the bank for one player. Which giving Kirk 18-20 million would not be breaking the bank. Especially if he plans to draft more defensive players and not pay Garcon/Djax.

19 million would be very close to 12% of the cap at the QB position. Which is about league average.

Also people need to remember the cap is going up every year. Pretty soon 19 million for a QB is going to be standard.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=SolidSnake84;1151870]Good post. Thanks for sharing the article. I think the percentage for Cousins leaving is too low, IMO. I would say right now its probably at least 65% or 75%, realistically. I just dont see a scenario where Cousins stays here, unless we win more than 8 games, which may or may not happen...[/quote]


I think it's less than 10% chance he leaves.

The only scenario where i see him leaving is if we go 8 - 8 and he wants 25+ million and year.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

Reed locked up
Kerrigan locked up
Norman locked up
Trent locked up

North big contracts issues coming up next year outside Kirks. We have 20 million in cap space, and after Djax/Garcon contracts are gone we will have even more.

To think we can't pay Kirk an average of 18 or 19 million a year and build a defense with the extra 25 million left over is ludicrous.

Oh, and I already mentioned. The cap is going up.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[QUOTE=Bucket;1151925]Reed locked up
Kerrigan locked up
Norman locked up
Trent locked up

North big contracts issues coming up next year outside Kirks. We have 20 million in cap space, and after Djax/Garcon contracts are gone we will have even more.

To think we can't pay Kirk an average of 18 or 19 million a year and build a defense with the extra 25 million left over is ludicrous.

Oh, and I already mentioned. The cap is going up.[/QUOTE]
Agree with everything you said! [emoji106]

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

Who says we are getting rid of Djax and Garçon? Both? No way.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=calia;1151927]Who says we are getting rid of Djax and Garçon? Both? No way.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/quote]

One of them gots to go, Doctson will be fine next year and take one of the starting spots.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;1151936]One of them gots to go, Doctson will be fine next year and take one of the starting spots.[/quote]

Why not cut Ryan Grant or Rashad Ross and keep Djax and Garçon?

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=OmahaRedskins;1151949]Why not cut Ryan Grant or Rashad Ross and keep Djax and Garçon?[/quote]

Because you have to actually pay them next year. Could be atleast 10 million in cap for the both

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

Are you concerned about having to pay Ryan Grant and Rashad Ross if they are cut, or Djax and Garçon if they are resigned?

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=OmahaRedskins;1151949]Why not cut Ryan Grant or Rashad Ross and keep Djax and Garçon?[/quote]

What are savings with Grant and Ross? Vet minimum for each? They don't make shit.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

I wouldn't let Djax walk because we have no idea on Doc. He could be a bust that isbl injury prone for all we know.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G920A using Tapatalk

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

Djax is really different then most of the other recievers.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[QUOTE=Evilgrin;1151956]Djax is really different then most of the other recievers.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. And I don't think Doctson replaces what Djax brings to the game in forcing the defenses hand. He would be a better replacement for Garcon if Garcon and the team cant reach an agreement.

Sent from my S6 Edge

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

It might be a good idea to see Doctson play a little before deciding if he should replace a starting WR, much less which one he should replace.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

It's tough to take advantage of d jax ability if you can't get the ball down the field with strength and accuracy...both lackin in cousins game this year. I would sign djax over garçon...djax and doctson would be an ideal pair with crowder in the slot

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=Chico23231;1151961]It's tough to take advantage of d jax ability if you can't get the ball down the field with strength and accuracy...both lackin in cousins game this year. I would sign djax over garçon...djax and doctson would be an ideal pair with crowder in the slot[/quote]

I would agree, but Kirk was 100% throwing down field today.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

Kirk did well today and would have had 4 tds if djax and Davis catch theirs.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G920A using Tapatalk

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=Bucket;1152427]I would agree, but Kirk was 100% throwing down field today.[/quote]

Yup...djax had one fall right into his hands too. Big drop.