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[quote=rbanerjee23;647826]Right...but the sacks that he causes are far less than the sacks given up by the O line that even an average line wouldn't give up. Look at the games where the O-line plays decently, he has really good games...look at like the 13 games where the O-line does not play well, and he has what? an average game?

I'll take that going into next year over a draft pick who has a [B]80-85 percent chance [/B]of being the next Tim Couch[/quote]

How'd you come up with that number?

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[quote=SmootSmack;647832]How'd you come up with that number?[/quote]
And without even knowing who it might be!

Re: Do You Want Jason Campbell Back in 2010?
 

[quote=rbanerjee23;647826]Right...but the sacks that he causes are far less than the sacks given up by the O line that even an average line wouldn't give up. Look at the games where the O-line plays decently, he has really good games...look at like the 13 games where the O-line does not play well, and he has what? an average game?

I'll take that going into next year over a draft pick who has a 80-85 percent chance of being the next Tim Couch[/quote]

HAHAHAHAHA So now Bradford or Clausen are Tim Couch? I guess you just want to stick with a losing QB for ever... I bet you couldn't build a good team in Madden lol:rofl:

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^Isaac Newton's Second Law of Couch Dynamics.

Re: Do You Want Jason Campbell Back in 2010?
 

[quote=rbanerjee23;647826]Right...but the sacks that he causes are far less than the sacks given up by the O line that even an average line wouldn't give up. Look at the games where the O-line plays decently, he has really good games...look at like the 13 games where the O-line does not play well, and he has what? an average game?

I'll take that going into next year over a draft pick who has a 80-85 percent chance of being the next Tim Couch[/quote]

Let's see what Shanahan does. I think his ability to judge QB's is much better than anyone here. Perhaps he can design an offense that has more mid range and deep stuff that won't ask JC to read the whole field so he can get rid of the ball quicker.

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[quote=skinsfan69;647852]Let's see what Shanahan does. I think his ability to judge QB's is much better than anyone here. Perhaps he can design an offense that has more mid range and deep stuff that won't ask JC to read the whole field so he can get rid of the ball quicker.[/quote]

:doh: :bdh::vomit::bs::yeahright:benched:

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[quote=Paintrain;647796]Actually Garrard led the Jags to like an 11-5 record a couple of years back. Ok, so taking what you said about all of them being better than JC, with the same exact circumstances we faced this year but insert any of the other QB in there, how differently do you think our season would have turned out?[/quote]

I think the Skins would have been at least an 8-8 team maybe 9-6. Teams know the Skins cant pass and that lets them be more aggressive on D since they know its very unlikely they will get burned for a big pass play.

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[quote=irish;647868]I think the Skins would have been at least an 8-8 team maybe 9-6. Teams know the Skins cant pass and that lets them be more aggressive on D since they know its very unlikely they will get burned for a big pass play.[/quote]

You're out of you damn mind if you think JC is so bad as to have lost us 4 games on his own.

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[quote=SmootSmack;647832]How'd you come up with that number?[/quote]

From 1998-2008, these are the quarterbacks drafted in the first round:

[B]Peyton Manning[/B]
Ryan Leaf
Tim Couch
[B]Donovan McNabb[/B]
Akili Smith
Daunte Culpepper
Cade McNown
Chad Pennington
Michael Vick
David Carr
Joey Harrington
Patrick Ramsey
Carson Palmer
Byron Leftwich
Kyle Boller
Rex Grossman
[B]Eli Manning[/B]
[B]Philip Rivers[/B]
[B]Ben Roethlisberger[/B]
J.P. Losman
Alex Smith
[B]Aaron Rodgers[/B]
[B]Jason Campbell[/B]
Vince Young
Matt Leinart
[B]Jay Cutler[/B]
Jamarcus Russell
Brady Quinn

That is a total of 28 quarterbacks...of those, I've bolded those who I think have been really good QBs. That means that roughly 70% (my apologies) are busts

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[quote=skinsfaninok;647855]:doh: :bdh::vomit::bs::yeahright:benched:[/quote]

You forgot one

:frusty:

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[quote=skinsfaninok;647855]:doh: :bdh::vomit::bs::yeahright:benched:[/quote]

lol. yeah what was i thinking????

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[quote=FRPLG;647874]You're out of you damn mind if you think JC is so bad as to have lost us 4 games on his own.[/quote]

I didnt say JC lost 4 games on his own. I'm saying having a QB that provides the threat of a passing game allows the O the ability to do certain things that make the D have to plan for. Having that passing threat would IMO allow the Skins to score more points and that would change the complexion of the game (in other words, a ripple effect).

Its not as simple as 1 player winning or losing a game.

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[quote=SBXVII;647876]You forgot one

:frusty:[/quote]

More like two and a half. Culpepper use to be one of the more dominant QB's in the league of course that lasted only 3 or 4 years. Obviously Carson Palmer should have been highlighted. Don't know what you have against Chad Pennington to not select him.

Either way I think in a lot of cases it depends on the situation the QB goes to, and I think with Shannahan running the offense and Bruce Allen rebuilding the offensive line we will have the framework to develop a quality rookie QB like Bradford. My only worry is that the Rams take him before we can. Still make no mistake about it, I want Bradford to be this teams QB next year.

Edit: Wait you selected Jason Campbell as a 1st round hit? In that case how do you select JC and not Culpepper? At least Culpepper had a span of years where he was dominant. JC's span only lasted 8 games. Then you don't select Palmer? You could have easily proven your point without trying to skew the numbers in your favor. Do you work for Fox News or NBC?

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I think cases could be made for highlighting Vick and Leftwich as well.

Having JC highlighted as a very good QB with names like P. Manning, McNabb, Big Ben & Rivers is an absolute joke.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;647875]From 1998-2008, these are the quarterbacks drafted in the first round:

That is a total of 28 quarterbacks...of those, I've bolded those who I think have been really good QBs. That means that roughly 70% (my apologies) are busts[/quote]

[B]Peyton Manning[/B]
Ryan Leaf - bust
Tim Couch - bust
[B]Donovan McNabb[/B]
Akili Smith - bust
[I]Daunte Culpepper - he had a nice career[/I]
Cade McNown
[I]Chad Pennington - weak arm, but solid game manager[/I]
[I]Michael Vick - drafted for athletic ability, faded once folks knew how to stop him. Did lead Falcons to playoffs early in career.[/I]
David Carr - bust
Joey Harrington - bust
Patrick Ramsey - bust
[I]Carson Palmer - Good career thusfar[/I]
[I]Byron Leftwich - had some solid years in Jax, led team to playoffs if I'm not mistaken[/I].
Kyle Boller - Bust
[I]Rex Grossman - did lead team to super bowl, but overall underperformed his draft status.[/I]
[B]Eli Manning[/B]
[B]Philip Rivers[/B]
[B]Ben Roethlisberger[/B]
J.P. Losman
Alex Smith
[B]Aaron Rodgers[/B]
[I][B]Jason Campbell - I wouldn't classify JC as a "really good QB".[/B][/I]
[I]Vince Young - hasn't justified his draft position, but we'll see if he's a bust by his performance next year.[/I]
Matt Leinart
[B]Jay Cutler[/B]
Jamarcus Russell
[I]Brady Quinn - I'd like to see him with another team before he's classified as a bust. The dysfunction in Cleveland is worse than here. I'd actually like to see him brought in here for a shot.[/I]

Are you saying we shouldn't draft a QB in the first round because 50% of these guys don't work out? Should we not have drafted JC in the first round (my opinion in hindsight is that Gibbs missed on this one)?