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I still haven't heard a definitive argument as to why Bradford is a clear cut #1 pick and Clausen isn't.

For the record, I don't love either of them. But if the 'Skins draft one, I'd rather have Clausen.

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^ just for me, I'm worried about Clausen's ability to lead NFL players. They say he is a cocky jerk who does not inspire others to follow. I fear that rather than being able to rally the troops like a good QB should, others will tune him out because they are fatigued of his jerkiness. That is, he could become a Jay Schroeder. What do you say to this? Should I have this concern?

I'm not in love with others and would not mind too much if we drafted Clausen. But you asked, and that is my question. From what I understand about Bradford, I do not have the same concern about him.

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[quote=12thMan;675774]I still haven't heard a definitive argument as to why Bradford is a clear cut #1 pick and Clausen isn't.

For the record, I don't love either of them. But if the 'Skins draft one, I'd rather have Clausen.[/quote]

Is there ever a clear cut #1 player?
Was #1 Stafford better than #5 Sanchez?
Micheal Jordan was even not a #1.
This is not a science.

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[quote=Lotus;675776]^ just for me, I'm worried about Clausen's ability to lead NFL players. They say he is a cocky jerk who does not inspire others to follow. I fear that rather than being able to rally the troops like a good QB should, others will tune him out because they are fatigued of his jerkiness. That is, he could become a Jay Schroeder. What do you say to this? Should I have this concern?

I'm not in love with others and would not mind too much if we drafted Clausen. But you asked, and that is my question. From what I understand about Bradford, I do not have the same concern about him.[/quote]

From what I've heard about Jay Shroeder, he was just an all-around asshole 24/7. He was very aloof and he didn't even get along with guys on the offensive line. But hey, I don't know Jay Shroeder so take it with a grain of salt.

But we can't have it both ways. People say Campbell is too soft, not vocal enough, and somehow infer that he's not a passionate and capable leader. And now Clausen is too cocky and incapable of leading players. Well we don't know that for sure, do we? I tend to be in the camp if you're winning leadership takes care of itself. I think there really is a fine line between being an asshole and being passionate.

Re: Jimmy Clausen has met with the Redskins
 

[quote=12thMan;675774]I still haven't heard a definitive argument as to why Bradford is a clear cut #1 pick and Clausen isn't.

For the record, I don't love either of them. But if the 'Skins draft one, I'd rather have Clausen.[/quote]There's not really any argument outside of the physical skills. Physically, what Clausen does very well, Bradford does a little better.

Neither is a huge red flag franchise killer type, like a Russell or Alex Smith. But there's also nothing special here. When people have to reference an "it" factor to make an argument in favor of one guy over the other, they're probably bs'ing.

I believe the Clausen/Bradford debate is essentially meaningless, but like you, I believe it's more dangerous in the case of Bradford because with Clausen there's a wide spectrum of opinion, as one should expect. He's probably somewhere between what McShay/Mayock think of him, and what Kiper think of him. There should also be that wide spectrum with Bradford, but dangerously (I think), people are willing to overlook it. They're not willing to overlook it with Clausen, which means he's going to get drafted at value, while Bradford is almost destined to be overdrafted.

Bradford is probably a lot closer to Clausen than anyone seems to expect. Which is fine if the Rams get him, because I don't care about the Rams. Hopefully, they add a receiver and he gets good.

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I don't know, I caught a lot of Notre Dame games last year and more than anything Clausen's toughness impressed the hell out of me.

And we can't underestimate the fact that he played in a pro style offense under old Charlie.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;675772]Yeah, I'd love to get Jared Gaither for a second as well.[/quote]

hahahahaha

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[quote=12thMan;675780]From what I've heard about Jay Shroeder, he was just an all-around asshole 24/7. He was very aloof and he didn't even get along with guys on the offensive line. But hey, I don't Jay Shroeder so take it with a grain of salt.

But we can't have it both ways. People say Campbell is too soft, not vocal enough, and somehow infer that he's not a passionate and capable leader. And now Clausen is too cocky and incapable of leading players. Well we don't know that for sure, do we? I tend to be in the camp if you're winning leadership takes care of itself. I think there really is a fine line between being an asshole and being passionate.[/quote]

Exactly

One solution: get Tebow!

haha

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Where I believe the fallacy is in this draft, is that Bradford and Clausen are comfortably the top two prospects at the quarterback position. This is simply not true. They are, perhaps, the easiest to identify, but to draw a conclusion as theres a big dropoff after them would imply the the QB class is complete crap on the level of the 2007 class. Which, it isn't. It's quite good.

Regardless of what you think of my Colt McCoy assessment, there's plenty of room to disagree on single prospects. On the macro level, it's safe to say that there are incorrect assumptions being made by NFL types, and that's for certain.

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I know. You would think they are the only two quarterbacks in the draft listening to the pundits and internet chatter.

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Let the Seahawks have Clausen, hell let them take Bradford too! I really hope the Skins are just blowing smoke and are not going to use their first pick on a a QB.

Re: Jimmy Clausen has met with the Redskins
 

[quote=12thMan;675780]From what I've heard about Jay Shroeder, [B]he was just an all-around asshole 24/7. He was very aloof and he didn't even get along with guys on the offensive line.[/B] But hey, I don't know Jay Shroeder so take it with a grain of salt.

But we can't have it both ways. People say Campbell is too soft, not vocal enough, and somehow infer that he's not a passionate and capable leader. And now Clausen is too cocky and incapable of leading players. Well we don't know that for sure, do we? I tend to be in the camp if you're winning leadership takes care of itself. I think there really is a fine line between being an asshole and being passionate.[/quote]

That's what I've heard about Clausen. I don't know if it is true. But I do remember Redskins teams which did better with Schroeder on the bench. The offense's dislike of him showed on the field, it seemed to me at the time.

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[quote=Lotus;675810]That's what I've heard about Clausen. I don't know if it is true. But [B]I do remember Redskins teams which did better with Schroeder on the bench.[/B] The offense's dislike of him showed on the field, it seemed to me at the time.[/quote]
Hmm, I seem to remember something of this.. I believe someone rose up to Superbowl MVP and someone else slid into obscurity..

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[quote=TheSmurfs22;675809]Let the Seahawks have Clausen, hell let them take Bradford too! I really hope the Skins are just blowing smoke and are not going to use their first pick on a a QB.[/quote]
I have always been of this mindset, I do really hope for an OT for our first pick, whether at #4 or after a trade down. If we do take a QB with our first pick, I will say it again, Bradford. Too much not to like about Clausen's personality. Just my :twocents:...

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There's no question we can trade down and still get a quality offensive tackle in the first round.

I think ShanAllen (who said that?) are going to make one more big splash between now and draft day.