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[quote=Monkeydad;803051]At least you admit it's just playing with numbers.[/quote]

My numbers are BEAST! [/Thread]

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Dirtbag, I get your point about corners. Still, every year I'm a homer for at least 5 minutes when I read articles like this:

[url=http://www.redskins.com/news-and-events/article-1/Thompson-Brings-Turnover-Skills-to-Redskins/f544c0c5-07c8-4b7f-b6b0-fd4053a12beb]Thompson Brings Turnover Skills to Redskins[/url]

The link on facebook said something like they look for him to contribute "for many years to come." Really, a 7th round CB? If he makes it, that's cool, but I agree that late round cb's rarely are good enough, more so than w/other positions.

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[quote=freddyg12;803846]Dirtbag, I get your point about corners. Still, every year I'm a homer for at least 5 minutes when I read articles like this:

[url=http://www.redskins.com/news-and-events/article-1/Thompson-Brings-Turnover-Skills-to-Redskins/f544c0c5-07c8-4b7f-b6b0-fd4053a12beb]Thompson Brings Turnover Skills to Redskins[/url]

The link on facebook said something like they look for him to contribute "for many years to come." Really, a 7th round CB? If he makes it, that's cool, but I agree that late round cb's rarely are good enough, more so than w/other positions.[/quote]

Good read. He's a good pickup for being drafted in the 7th round.

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[quote=freddyg12;803846]Dirtbag, I get your point about corners. Still, every year I'm a homer for at least 5 minutes when I read articles like this:

[url=http://www.redskins.com/news-and-events/article-1/Thompson-Brings-Turnover-Skills-to-Redskins/f544c0c5-07c8-4b7f-b6b0-fd4053a12beb]Thompson Brings Turnover Skills to Redskins[/url]

The link on facebook said something like they look for him to contribute "for many years to come." Really, a 7th round CB? If he makes it, that's cool, but I agree that late round cb's rarely are good enough, more so than w/other positions.[/quote]

Good find, and thank you for acknowledging my hate for Corners, lol.

Still the thing that makes me wonder is if he ran such a great time in the 100 meter, why was his 40 time only 4.5?

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/24/team-checklist-washingon-redskins/#more-132383]Team checklist: Washingon Redskins | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[url=http://blogblitz.nfl.com/washington-redskins/entry/05312011_leonard_hankerson_roy_helu]NFL Blog Blitz: Washington Redskins powered by SportsFanLive.com[/url]

Saw this & thought you might like to read it.

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[url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2011/6/6/2208470/brian-orakpo-the-most-explosive-defensive-player-from-2009-draft#storyjump]Brian Orakpo The Most 'Explosive' Defensive Player From 2009 Draft Class, According To Formula - Hogs Haven[/url]

Put a smile on my face, can't wait for the season to start.

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[url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2011/6/6/2208470/brian-orakpo-the-most-explosive-defensive-player-from-2009-draft#storyjump]Brian Orakpo The Most 'Explosive' Defensive Player From 2009 Draft Class, According To Formula - Hogs Haven[/url]

Put a smile on my face, can't wait for the season to start.

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Washingtonpost with a good article about the first half of our rookie class, pros and cons of each player

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/redskins-rookies-why-they-could-struggle-or-succeed/2011/07/11/gIQAQn6t8H_blog.html]Redskins rookies: Why they could struggle or succeed - The Insider - The Washington Post[/url]

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;805957][url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2011/6/6/2208470/brian-orakpo-the-most-explosive-defensive-player-from-2009-draft#storyjump]Brian Orakpo The Most 'Explosive' Defensive Player From 2009 Draft Class, According To Formula - Hogs Haven[/url]

Put a smile on my face, can't wait for the season to start.[/quote]

That is the worst formula I've ever seen. First of all, Maybin scored higher than Matthews.

But more importantly, practically and mathematically it makes zero sense. Practically, neither the bench press nor the vertical jump measure explosion for a defensive end that well. The bench press is more of a stamina indicator while the vertical jump just The vertical jump isn't all that applicable to a rusher, (they go forward, not up) but somehow these indicators took up the vast majority of the score.
Mathematically it also made no sense. The broad jump differences between players is so miniscule because the difference between a 9 foot jump and an 11 foot jump is huge but only a difference of 2 in the score while 31 reps vs 29 reps is nothing but also a difference of 2 in the score.
Kirwan is in idiot. This makes no sense.

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Kirwan an idiot? Now I've heard it all.

:doh:

The explosion number and production ratios aren't end all predictors of success, but you can't deny there are some interesting correlations there. Think of it as the rule of 26-27-60 for QBs.

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[quote=Mattyk;810372]Kirwan an idiot? Now I've heard it all.

:doh:

The explosion number and production ratios aren't end all predictors of success, but you can't deny there are some interesting correlations there. Think of it as the rule of 26-27-60 for QBs.[/quote]

That is saying that guys who have physical upper strength and stamina, jump high, and jump far are correlated with producing well on defense. DUH.

You have to think deeper than that. The 26-27-60 rule is for qbs, not all defenders. Every defender plays a different position, and some factors apply differently to different positions. Also the 26-27-60 rule has three separate categories, that cannot be combined into one number. This rule basically says that if a defensive end can bench 45 times, but has a 7 foot broad jump and a 25 inch vertical jump, he will have a great explosion number of 77 even though his vertical jump and broad jump (the most important factor for evaluating defensive explosion) are shit. That makes no sense. This equation makes no sense. Of course if you can jump high, far, and bench well that is CORRELATED with success because those are necessary factors to succeed in the NFL. All I'm saying is this formula is messed up in so many ways; where the most important ones are the mathematics of it are way off due to adding up indicators independent of each other , and that is that its not specific to position.

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[QUOTE]Obviously these two indexes aren't huge measures of a draft prospects potential success in the NFL, but it does give a clue as to the type of player he was from both a physical and production standpoint coming out of college.[/QUOTE]

No need to look deeper, the above sums up what this is all about.

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Ok so i asked a question at Dan Granzio's weekly chats. I asked him whether Helu or Hankerson would make a bigger impact on the offense. He said Helu cause he thought they drafted him to start right away and Hankerson had some questions about his route running.

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[quote=musicmaster45;810385]Ok so i asked a question at Dan Granzio's weekly chats. I asked him whether Helu or Hankerson would make a bigger impact on the offense. He said Helu cause he thought they drafted him to start right away and Hankerson had some questions about his route running.[/quote]

I think we drafted Helu to be our Jamaal Charles (of course not as good, but that type of player). A change of pace back that can burn you. I'm not going to predict who is going to have more of an impact until I see what our FA class is like, and even then I'll probably still be about 50-50 on their impacts. Helu will Help with our big play ability when running and Hankerson will help with WR depth. Both will help and contribute, but this upcoming season I don't think either will contribute immensely.