Re: Cousins Value Skyrockets,Jets Fans Want Him!!
 

[quote=44ever;983740]Im not buying that Kirk cant fetch a 2nd. Lets not forget he went as a 4th round pick with the Skins with (((ZERO))) NFL tape. Kirk then came into a hot game, cold of the bench and lit it up! I think teams like the Jets (who have both a 1st and 2nd available) would be willing to give a 2nd for a QB that has obvious potential as a starter in the NFL over what they can grab in the draft. Unless they are willing to gamble with Sanchez...[/quote]

He also came in cold off the bench and threw two crucial INTs down the stretch against Atlanta, which was probably the difference in the game.

Keep him, grow him and maintain a solid #1 and #2 for a few years at least...

Re: Cousins Value Skyrockets,Jets Fans Want Him!!
 

[quote=RedskinRat;983689]Would it be possible (actually I mean 'likely'), does anyone think, that we could trade Kirk Cousins for potential high pick S Eric Reid out of LSU?

Too heavy on the wishful thinking?[/quote]

I would just love to get 2 2nds for him. I don't care what safety we get anyone is better than Williams.

Re: Cousins Value Skyrockets,Jets Fans Want Him!!
 

[quote=Chief X_Phackter;983847]He also came in cold off the bench and threw two crucial INTs down the stretch against Atlanta, which was probably the difference in the game.

Keep him, grow him and maintain a solid #1 and #2 for a few years at least...[/quote]

KC is a solid back up and very affordable due to the new CBA if we attempt to trade him we would have to pay a veteran back up likely more than we are currently paying KC. Some people forget we still have an 18 million entanglement next year. I don't think we can afford to pay a more expensive less quality back up.

Re: Cousins Value Skyrockets,Jets Fans Want Him!!
 

Any thoughts of trading KC now should pretty much be tossed aside unless a Hershel Walker type deal is offered. Given Griffin's injury and style of play, KC is just about the second most valuable guy on the roster and certainly in the top 10.

Draft KC's replacement this year and again next year if we must [I]then[/I] trade him.

Re: Cousins Value Skyrockets,Jets Fans Want Him!!
 

Concussion, possible torn whatever, couldnt finish a couple games, knee brace. We better not trade Cousins, but develop him intensely.

Re: Cousins Value Skyrockets,Jets Fans Want Him!!
 

At this point, my feeling is we should keep Cousins through the end of his contract unless/until Griffin proves he can play through an entire season without injury. The way Griffin plays, and the way he stubbornly refuses to let doctors/coaches know how he's really feeling, is very risky. Griffin needs to understand that the best thing he can do for the team is protect himself long-term. If he's hurt, he needs to have the humility to recognize the team can win without him and leave the game to protect his health.

I honestly think unless he accepts the fact he's not superman, eventually hes going play hurt and then have a career ending injury, and it could happen during his rookie contract. We might [I]need [/I]Cousins to be our long-term quarterback if Griffin doesnt learn his limits. No way should we trade him.

Re: Cousins Value Skyrockets,Jets Fans Want Him!!
 

Cousins is the future after all.

He cannot be traded.

Re: Cousins Value Skyrockets,Jets Fans Want Him!!
 

[quote=Mattyk;985446]Cousins is the future after all.

He cannot be traded.[/quote]

The future back up of course. Having a strong back up QB has been a need for us since Todd Cocktail Collins and is an essential these days. Look at the Vikings Saturday night. I guarentee in the offseason they will be looking for an experienced back up.

Re: Cousins Value Skyrockets,Jets Fans Want Him!!
 

How about we develop Griffin into a pocket passer. Get rid of the option. Make him into a clone of Aaron Rogers. Just like he was at Baylor and he showed great potential in his ability to make throws from the pocket or on bootlegs.

Re: Cousins Value Skyrockets,Jets Fans Want Him!!
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;985445]At this point, my feeling is we should keep Cousins through the end of his contract unless/until Griffin proves he can play through an entire season without injury. The way Griffin plays, and the way he stubbornly refuses to let doctors/coaches know how he's really feeling, is very risky. Griffin needs to understand that the best thing he can do for the team is protect himself long-term. If he's hurt, he needs to have the humility to recognize the team can win without him and leave the game to protect his health.

I honestly think unless he accepts the fact he's not superman, eventually hes going play hurt and then have a career ending injury, and it could happen during his rookie contract. We might [I]need [/I]Cousins to be our long-term quarterback if Griffin doesnt learn his limits. No way should we trade him.[/quote]

So you expect an NFL quarterback to admit to being injured and risk losing his job? Look what happened to Drew Bledsoe, Manning, and Alex Smith. It should never be on the player to admit whether or not he is injured. Favre once said he never admitted to being injured because he did not want to give another quarterback the same opportunity he was given and potentially lose his job. It is never on the player, coaches and medical staff should be the one saying we have to take you out.

Remember in the discussion of trading cousins for draft picks, that the redskins can replace cousins through the draft with a 5th or 6th round pick in most years (though perhaps not this draft).

If rg3 is questionable to begin next season, then trading cousins is realistically off the table, but still if a team blows you away...

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[quote=donofriose;985453]So you expect an NFL quarterback to admit to being injured [B]and risk losing his job? [/B]Look what happened to Drew Bledsoe, Manning, and Alex Smith.[/quote]

LOL. Every single player you compared RGIII to was an older player who had been playing for teams that had drafted younger guys to eventually replace them. If there is one player in the NFL who should not have to worry at all about his job security, its RGIII. He made the pro-bowl in his rookie year for a team that mortgaged their future to trade up and draft him. The skins are 100% committed to RGIII as the future. He knows this.

[quote=][B]It should never be on the player to admit whether or not he is injured.[/B] Favre once said he never admitted to being injured because he did not want to give another quarterback the same opportunity he was given and potentially lose his job. It is never on the player, coaches and medical staff should be the one saying we have to take you out. [/quote]

This is probably just about the dumbest thing you could possibly say. Unless a player is bleeding from an open wound or suffering from obvious symptoms that are easy to diagnose (like a severe concussion), the only way coaches medical staff can understand a players condition is if the player tells them. there's no portable MRI machine on the field. All the medical staff can tell is that RGIII is limping a bit. If he's not honest about how he feels and how bad the pain is, they can't make an accurate assessment of him.

Re: Cousins Value Skyrockets,Jets Fans Want Him!!
 

[quote=GTripp0012;985471]Remember in the discussion of trading cousins for draft picks, that the redskins can replace cousins through the draft with a 5th or 6th round pick in most years (though perhaps not this draft).

If rg3 is questionable to begin next season, then trading cousins is realistically off the table, but still if a team blows you away...[/quote]

Trading Cousins is off the table as long as our QB continues to display poor decisions when he decides to run. (out of bounds/sliding) He isn't going to last.

Re: Cousins Value Skyrockets,Jets Fans Want Him!!
 

[quote=GTripp0012;985471]Remember in the discussion of trading cousins for draft picks, that the redskins can replace cousins through the draft with a 5th or 6th round pick in most years (though perhaps not this draft).

If rg3 is questionable to begin next season, then trading cousins is realistically off the table, but still if a team blows you away...[/quote]

At this point, I dont think there is an offer that a team would actually make that would be worth accepting. RGIII only started (and finished) 13 of 17 games this year. Without Cousins, we probably don't win the baltimore and cleaveland games and arent in the playoffs. Good quarterbacks are very hard to find. We cant count on finding one late in the draft - that would likely leave us with someone like Joe Webb or John Beck or Rex Grossman at quarterback.... its not a situation we want to be in.

Right now, Cousins is more valueable to this team than anything another team would offer us in a trade. If RGIII makes it through the next two seasons without missing any time, then i consider moving Cousins, but not before then.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;985478]LOL. Every single player you compared RGIII to was an older player who had been playing for teams that had drafted younger guys to eventually replace them. If there is one player in the NFL who should not have to worry at all about his job security, its RGIII. He made the pro-bowl in his rookie year for a team that mortgaged their future to trade up and draft him. The skins are 100% committed to RGIII as the future. He knows this.



This is probably just about the dumbest thing you could possibly say. Unless a player is bleeding from an open wound or suffering from obvious symptoms that are easy to diagnose (like a severe concussion), the only way coaches medical staff can understand a players condition is if the player tells them. there's no portable MRI machine on the field. All the medical staff can tell is that RGIII is limping a bit. If he's not honest about how he feels and how bad the pain is, they can't make an accurate assessment of him.[/quote]

Drew Bledsoe before the offseason he got injured signed a then record 103 million dollar contract. And was in the NFL for I believe 8 years? So you are telling me he did not think his job was guaranteed right before that season started. Remember the controversy it created when he got healthy again? Imagine if Griffin got hurt and Cousins passes for 200 yards in the second half and wins the game and then wins in ATL next week. You think his job would be guaranteed or do you think if he has one bad game people wouldn't start calling for Cousins? Alex Smith was told repeatedly he was the starter but then he got hurt and Jim went with the impact player.

That is the reasons you pay trainers. To be able to determine whether or not the player can play. It is their job to determine whether or not they can play. Not the Players. What is the point of having a trainer if the player is the one who is just going to say I will play. Trainer is payed to look for signs to determine whether or not they can play and to give a quick diagnosis. If they don't do that what is the point of having trainers.