Re: The everything Gruden thread
 

[quote=Ruhskins;1097552]People really need to get over this crap.[/quote]

Well, the results show. Maybe if he had spent more time invested into football (video/etc) maybe he wouldn't be that far behind. I'm tired of people just brushing it off like it has nothing to do with it, but the reality of it is that it does. Shanny said he needed to spend more time on it, and Gruden even recently said he needed to work on his craft more.

Did you not read what Shannon Sharpe said? Just because you come into the job before everybody and leave after everybody doesn't mean jack shit. Unfortunately for QBs, they have to put in that much more effort and time to their crafts. If you aren't going to do it, chances are you aren't going to make it either.

So, on one hand we got guys like you and a few other saying it's no big deal. On the other hand, we have 2 professional coaches saying it is a big deal. No offense, but I think I'll go with the professionals on this one.

Re: The everything Gruden thread
 

[quote=NC_Skins;1097559]Well, the results show. Maybe if he had spent more time invested into football (video/etc) maybe he wouldn't be that far behind. I'm tired of people just brushing it off like it has nothing to do with it, but the reality of it is that it does. Shanny said he needed to spend more time on it, and Gruden even recently said he needed to work on his craft more.

Did you not read what Shannon Sharpe said? Just because you come into the job before everybody and leave after everybody doesn't mean jack shit. Unfortunately for QBs, they have to put in that much more effort and time to their crafts. If you aren't going to do it, chances are you aren't going to make it either.

So, on one hand we got guys like you and a few other saying it's no big deal. On the other hand, we have 2 professional coaches saying it is a big deal. No offense, but I think I'll go with the professionals on this one.[/quote]

First of all, I'm not defending RG3's performance and it is obvious there are issues with him.

That being said, if two coaches are telling me that their QB needs to work, and they can't get that said QB to put in the work. The problem lies within the coaches, just as much as it lies with the coaches. And let's not forget how much power Shanahan had in the organization.

I'm pretty positive that if you take away all the commercials and all the branding and all the media exposure, RG3 would still have the same problems that he has today.

Re: The everything Gruden thread
 

[quote=Ruhskins;1097560]First of all, I'm not defending RG3's performance and it is obvious there are issues with him.

That being said, if two coaches are telling me that their QB needs to work, and they can't get that said QB to put in the work. The problem lies within the coaches, just as much as it lies with the coaches. And let's not forget how much power Shanahan had in the organization.

[B]I'm pretty positive that if you take away all the commercials and all the branding and all the media exposure, RG3 would still have the same problems that he has today.[/B][/quote]

Yup. It doesn't take long to film a commercial. It's the 22 other hours on commercial days, and 24 hours on non-filming days, that have passed RGIII by.

Re: The everything Gruden thread
 

[quote=Ruhskins;1097560]I'm pretty positive that if you take away all the commercials and all the branding and all the media exposure, RG3 would still have the same problems that he has today.[/quote]


I don't disagree with that one bit. I'm not saying that commercials/branding was his downfall, but it's obvious he didn't put the required time in.


As far as the coaches go. There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee that goes.... you can only lead a horse to water, you can't make him drink.

Re: The everything Gruden thread
 

[quote=ethat001;1097557]Seems like Colt was implying Gruden was sending the calls in late... Hope that was an isolated thing..[/quote]

No it's been a problem all season. Teams lack of preparation and sloppiness on gameday is on Gruden.

Re: The everything Gruden thread
 

[quote=Ruhskins;1097549]The problem will go away when Snyder hires the right person to run the team. [B]It is obvious now that he has hired the wrong person twice[/B] (yet many of us were okay with these hiring before).[/quote]

Twice? Snyder is working on the NFL owner record for bad hires. Not to mention that fired someone who might have been the right person (Schottenheimer).

Re: The everything Gruden thread
 

[quote=NC_Skins;1097566]I don't disagree with that one bit. I'm not saying that commercials/branding was his downfall, but it's obvious he didn't put the required time in.

As far as the coaches go. There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee that goes.... you can only lead a horse to water, you can't make him drink.[/quote]

There's another old saying that you can catch more flies with honey than you can with vinegar. My point is that Jay Gruden seemed to have developed a negative attitude toward RGIII early on in their relationship. Now, it looks as if he wants to give up on Robert altogether.

I'm not a football coach, but I wouldn't do that just yet. I'd hire a QB coach and "invite" (i.e., require) Robert to spend a lot of time with that coach working on the field and studying to improve his skills and knowledge. Then, I'd see how that goes.

What is the truth about Robert? [B]I[/B] can't handle the truth!

Re: The everything Gruden thread
 

Deciding to change starters at a certain position because your starter is not playing well, does not mean coach dislikes that player and is forever giving up on the former starter.
You should still have to earn your position on the field, even the coddled Qb position where QB's are treated differently than the other players.
Until Griffen is released or traded for a ham sandwich then I will believe Gruden dislikes Griffen. Until then I will continue to think Gruden is just trying to start the QB that gives him the best chance to win.

Re: The everything Gruden thread
 

[quote=Lotus;1097563]Yup. It doesn't take long to film a commercial. It's the 22 other hours on commercial days, and 24 hours on non-filming days, that have passed RGIII by.[/quote]

I don't think it was the time spent on commercials that Sharp was criticizing; it was his mentality. The mentality that he had already made it; he was a superstar. The branding of RGIII was more important then the development of RGIII.

For example this commercial.
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxPQvc75UzI[/url]



They branded his recover from knee surgery.

Re: The everything Gruden thread
 

[quote=KI Skins Fan;1097570]Twice? Snyder is working on the NFL owner record for bad hires. Not to mention that fired someone who might have been the right person (Schottenheimer).[/quote]

I'm talking about post-Vinny Snyder.

Re: The everything Gruden thread
 

[QUOTE=mredskins;1097594]I don't think it was the time spent on commercials that Sharp was criticizing; it was his mentality. The mentality that he had already made it; he was a superstar. The branding of RGIII was more important then the development of RGIII.





For example this commercial.


[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxPQvc75UzI[/url]











They branded his recover from knee surgery.[/QUOTE]



I'm ALL IN for this year to be over.

Re: The everything Gruden thread
 

[quote=Brody81;1097600]I'm ALL IN for this year to be over.[/quote]

Nah, you know you want more Redskins football. For us, it's like a crack cocaine addiction.

Re: The everything Gruden thread
 

[quote=mredskins;1097594]I don't think it was the time spent on commercials that Sharp was criticizing; it was his mentality. The mentality that he had already made it; he was a superstar. The branding of RGIII was more important then the development of RGIII.

For example this commercial.
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxPQvc75UzI[/url]



They branded his recover from knee surgery.[/quote]

You put that well and I understand the point. But it is the mentality which is the problem, the commercials are just outer symptoms. The mentality would be a problem even if he had done no commercials and thought the same thoughts.

Thus the problem with Robert is deeper than just his time investment in commercials, as some have implied. The time investment itself is minimal. It's not a scheduling problem, it's a psychological one.

Re: The everything Gruden thread
 

[quote=Lotus;1097608]You put that well and I understand the point. [B] But it is the mentality which is the problem, the commercials are just outer symptoms. The mentality would be a problem even if he had done no commercials and thought the same thoughts. [/B]
Thus the problem with Robert is deeper than just his time investment in commercials, as some have implied. The time investment itself is minimal. It's not a scheduling problem, it's a psychological one.[/quote]

Bingo.

I would also add the ends is a large metal trash receptable, a ton of garbage, gasoline and a match.

Re: The everything Gruden thread
 

[quote=NC_Skins;1097559]Well, the results show. Maybe if he had spent more time invested into football (video/etc) maybe he wouldn't be that far behind. I'm tired of people just brushing it off like it has nothing to do with it, but the reality of it is that it does. Shanny said he needed to spend more time on it, and Gruden even recently said he needed to work on his craft more.

Did you not read what Shannon Sharpe said? Just because you come into the job before everybody and leave after everybody doesn't mean jack shit. Unfortunately for QBs, they have to put in that much more effort and time to their crafts. If you aren't going to do it, chances are you aren't Young to make it either.

So, on one hand we got guys like you and a few other saying it's no big deal. On the other hand, we have 2 professional coaches saying it is a big deal. No offense, but I think I'll go with the professionals on this one.[/quote]

My only question would be since Gruden has been brutally honest about RG3 game performance why didn't he bash his preparation or his work ethic if that was the case. I remember Gruden praising Robert's work ethic from day one. So since that is the case and should I be more concerned with RG3 lack of preparation to be ready or the fact that he was able to fool the head coach to believing that he was prepared?